Holy Fire Reiki Healing Spirit Attachments, Chaos Angels and More - Part 1

In this episode of the Mystical Musings podcast, Tava Baird and Jennifer Taylor delve into a variety of mystical topics, from witnessing transformation to profound personal experiences with the Holy Fire Spirit Release process. They share the common honor of helping others awaken to their divinity -Tava, though her Lilithian path classes and Jennifer, through Holy Fire Reiki Master classes, which focuses on healing and rediscovering the authentic self. The conversation shifts to energy work, including the fascinating realm of spirit attachments and their release. Jennifer shares personal stories about her daughter's experiences with spirit attachments and how the Holy Fire Reiki Healing Spirit Attachments technique led to life changing healing. Near the end, listeners discover that as Jenn was sharing her perspective of her daughter's journey, Samael was sharing the story from his perspective with Tava.  The conversation continues next week where you will get to hear Samael explain what was happening each step of the way - from his unique vantage point.  This is an episode not to be missed! Tune in next week for an enlightening discussion.  

00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:15 Winter Woes and Frozen Adventures
02:20 Upcoming Events and Classes
03:12 Reiki Classes and Spiritual Healing
06:14 The Four Mirrors Ritual
08:54 Announcing a NEW Power of Story Event
13:33 Channeling and ClarityUnexpected Experiences
17:58 Channeled Song to Prepare Space - includes gong

23:01 The Gong's Vibrational Impact
28:27 Gongs Open Portals 
31:26 Finding a Common Language to discuss Spirits 
37:34 Introduction to Spirit Attachments
40:25 Personal Experiences with Spirit Attachments
43:14 Understanding Spirit Release Process
50:50 Different Types of Spirit Attachments
58:27 Healing and Clearing Techniques
01:06 Second Stage of Spirit Release - healing and sealing

01:08 To Be Continued - and glimpse into next week

01:10:11 Peace and Release - Spirit Release for all listening 

Resources:

Jenn's Article Published in Reiki News Magazine about Healing Spirit Attachments and her Daughter 

 https://www.willowridgereiki.com/articles

Jenn's Interview on Reiki From The Farm Podcast about Healing Spirit Attachments

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reiki-from-the-farm/id1532837662?i=1000563169901

Peace and Release - track 

free streaming :  https://www.willowridgereiki.com/recordings

for download : https://amnivara.bandcamp.com/track/peace-and-release

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Jennifer Taylor: Amnivara (previously Willow Ridge Reiki and Healing Arts) https://www.Amnivara.com/

Transcript

Holy Fire Reiki Healing Spirit Attachments, Chaos Angels and More  Part 1

Jennifer Taylor: [00:00:00] Good morning, Tava Baird. 

Tava Baird: Good morning, Jennifer Taylor. 

Jennifer Taylor: and welcome everybody to Mystical Musings podcast. 

Tava Baird: Yes. Hello everybody. It feels like it's been a minute. I think it's just that things have been so, so busy and also, Jennifer and I have been frozen. If you're in Virginia, I'm sure this is happening to you too.

We have been frozen inside blocks of ice Crete, it feels like just it's snow and ice that won't go away from like two and a half weeks ago. And today it's finally supposed to get above freezing and they say it might be 50 degrees on Saturday. And I am just so hoping this stuff melts. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, that would be so wonderful.

The horses are gonna be very happy. the gate is frozen shut. It is so locked into the snow-crete that Oh, we haven't been able to open the gate, which is fine because they can't walk on it anyway. [00:01:00] you know, it is hard when a 1400 pound horse does not break through it and would just slide, like if he can't step through it, it is, I mean, snow-crete is really, the only word for it 

Tava Baird: is crazy bad.

My little Corgi, my backyard is on a hill and we've cut her a path, but she likes to go offroading and it's really funny, she just sort of slides down the hill now to get back to the house. with this resigned look on her face, like this is where we live now. Yeah it's pretty, pretty intense.

So I am super looking forward to, a little bit of melting going on, especially because this weekend I'm headed to Milton, Pennsylvania, where I imagine there is also snow-crete to go to the vampire event up there. And as of right now, our trailer that we use for vending, we call Ducky because Ducky follows behind the [00:02:00] car.

Ducky is in a block of ice. And so really hoping we can get ducky out. We made the mistake of tucking her off the driveway 'cause we weren't using her so much in winter, so, 

Jennifer Taylor: oh no. 

Tava Baird: Yeah, there's gonna be,it's might be me out there with a pickax soon, so. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And you have a bunch of classes still coming up, right?

Tava Baird: Oh yeah. So Lilith classes are underway. Did House of Spirits last weekend, a gathering of owls makes it's debut. And then the following weekend we had a deck of rebellion that got snowed out that was rescheduled. So there are tons of new Lilith classes up and there is a brand new one just got introduced this week.

It is the first level three Lilith class and it is called Chaos Angel. And it [00:03:00] is about a particular energetic phenomenon. but we'll get to that later a little bit more, but yes, if you and Jen, you've been doing your reiki classes right now as well, right? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, we are well into our holy fire ysu reiki master class, which is, I am always amazed, again, like I, I don't know how many times I've taught it, but every time I get into it and I'm like, oh, this is such an amazing class, and the work that is done and the focus that of the class is so much in line with all the types of things that we talk about.

It's you know, finding and rediscovering your authentic self and healing the layers of the, culturally created self and the unhealed ego and these parts of us that are, you know, basically just these walls that we've built around ourselves that are not who we are, but we've sometimes so forgotten that it's, we tend to identify with [00:04:00] that as opposed to who we really, truly are and our genuine you know, authentic self.

And so much of the healing in it is around releasing and lifting away and clearing away all of those layers so that you can really awaken and see more clearly and access more clearly your authentic self. And I was like, oh my gosh. how do I always forget that this is like so much exactly in line with the stuff that we're doing, just in a different way?

It's just a different way of letting go of the stuff and clearing it, and the energy keeps working with you even when you're not in class. It's like you don't have to be sitting, giving yourself reiki. For that to happen. not only do you, are there lots and lots of healing experiences within the class, but then the energy just continues working with you to continue helping your evolution and healing.

And it's just, it's so neat to watch the transformation in the students and all [00:05:00] the ways that it's rippling out into their lives. And the inner work, like things that they'll see in their inner experiences during an ignition or a healing experience during it then like actually is manifest during the week.

Like somebody comes to them and they have this conversation that seemingly, you know, out of the blue and it's all perfectly aligned with what was just released and let go of 

Tava Baird: Yes. 

Jennifer Taylor: And the spirit released has been huge for people. And like realizing that's what's been going on. One person was just in tears going, oh my gosh, do you mean I'm not crazy?

Like I've been carrying these spirits around these energies with me for the last 10 years and I just thought I was nuts. I didn't have any realization of what that was and nobody to tell. And that's been life changing. Like, it's just been so neat. So I just, I love teaching these classes.

It's really cool. 

Tava Baird: Yeah, there is [00:06:00] something so incredible in being able to witness somebody sort of rediscovering or being able to reach out and touch the divine in a way that they were blocked on before. In the last, since last Thursday, I have performed the four mirrors ritual which is a. An introductory, the Lithian ritual that helps people to picture the fact that they have a divine soul.

And the ritual is set up in a particular way. And then I sit there and people walk it. And to be completely honest, I I don't remember a whole lot of the rituals because I sit and whoever's walking the mirrors, I panel semi for them. And it's, so, it's interesting. We get set up and then somebody goes in and I think, all right, here goes, I hope this is meaningful for them.

And a few minutes later [00:07:00] I look up and they're crying and I'm thinking, what's the Samaele? I just say, because I'm not writing it down, like I'm just doing it right through with my voice and to watch people. There was one that I did over the weekend someone who'd been waiting to walk the mirrors for the first time and to watch them come out of the circle.

And there were some other students who had done the ritual previously who hung around to just be support and to watch this person walk out of the circle after what Samael had to say to them and just fall into the other people's arms crying. And everybody was hugging and holding them. And I was just like, dude, I really wish I had written that down.

People are getting smart now though. my dear friend Jen Raow had this idea and I'm like, why haven't we thought of this before? 'cause when you're in the moment, in the ritual, you're moving and you're thinking and you're looking at yourself in these mirrors.[00:08:00]

But Samaeluel's talking to you the whole time. And so afterwards people are like, what was the third thing he said? And I'm like, I have no idea. So now we have my phone playing the music that you made for the ritual.

Somebody with another phone recording, whatever Samael Iel says, and then they go into the ritual. So now people are able to walk away at the end and like replay for themselves. Samael talking and your music is going in the background and they can go back and dive deeper into the messages that were there.

it's such a privilege to be able to be there for those moments where people go, oh my God, I've been carrying this for so long. Or Oh my God, I never thought of myself that way. And then, things start to fall away, which is an incredible segue, Jennifer Taylor into folks. We have an event together to announce and you get Keith as a [00:09:00] bonus, right?

Yeah, it's all three of us. The power of story on April 11th. So if you are a longtime podcast listener, you might remember God, was it like over a year ago? It was well over a year ago. Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: There were, we did a podcast about creating energetic platforms on which people could gather. Through art and we had discussions about it.

And then last May, Keith and Jen and I went and did a Power of Story event at Fertile Ground Gathering. We are returning this year to do it in May. There we are gonna be doing it in the Feast Hall Friday night. So much bigger space, which we're super excited about, but we are also doing it inside the mausoleum at Greenhill Cemetery on April 11th.[00:10:00]

So if you want to come lay there on your lovely yoga mat with your pillow yoga and hear Keith and Jen channel music while I channel Samael Mayel to speak with you right there, live in the mausoleum at the cemetery. We would absolutely love for you to join us. It is an experience like no other. Tickets are available on TavaBaird.com.

Just go to the calendar and go to April 11th and you'll see the Power of Story Greenhill Cemetery. Click there, get yourself all signed up, and come and be with us as we bring through energy for you. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, and I know people that were at the fertile ground gathering and that were a part of the very first power of story have said that they mark their lives by before and after that experience, which is still I think [00:11:00]probably the greatest.

Possible feedback. I beyond anything we could have ever anticipated. If you'd said, all right, shoot for the moon, what is the most powerful thing you could imagine? I would not have gone as far as saying, and I know multiple people that have told me that still they are still working with the energies and the shifts that happened then.

And you know, at this point, we are almost a year out 

Tava Baird: right 

Jennifer Taylor: from that experience. I think we're at maybe like 11 months from the last one. Right. So I cannot wait to see how this is going to go and just what's gonna come through. I know it's gonna go amazingly, and I think the acoustics of the mausoleum are gonna be really awesome.

So to have a very echoey, ethereal kind of sound and yeah, I think it's gonna be amazing. And not only is Samael all talking to you, but he's actually like leading you on this journey. and so it's almost [00:12:00] like a shamanic journey kind of thing where you're going and you're traveling in your light body and you're having all of these experiences and it's all being held by and supported by the music and the sounds that are coming through Keith and I and from Michael.

And so you have, you're in that perfect balance place. You know, we've talked about how, I especially see, you know, Michael way up into my right. It's a very, very high vibration in Samael, down to my lower left. And it's like you get to be right in the middle of this perfect balancing of energies as Samael's taking you in one direction and you're going really deep.

And Michael is holding this balancing energy at the Samaele time. So I really think that that's part of what helps people go so much more deeply and have that much more powerful of an experience because they have that balance to where you're able to go deeper into certain things by also [00:13:00] having the energy of its opposite to some extent it had there too.

Exactly. So it's, so profoundly held and I know at the fertile ground gathering there were so many, well, and even what the recordings that we've done since then, which we still have to manage to get out so that people can access it if they are not nearby. You know, a whole host of angels and other divine beings show up.

It is like standing room only for the unbodied divine, you know, aspects. 

Tava Baird: Absolutely. Absolutely. It is. Yeah, I'm so excited to get back into that space. And it was funny because when we first went to Fertile Ground, we had never done anything like this and we really had to give up control and say we're not gonna try to plan it.

We're gonna plan how we greet people and how we explain what we're about to do. But then we're gonna go in and we're gonna let Michael and Samael a lead. And if you want to see really surprised people [00:14:00] take a look at Jen and Keith and I at the end of one of these things we are, because we don't know what's going to happen.

And then, you know, something unexpected always happens. I mean, Samaeluel's never spoken on anything we predicted before. I tried to steer him in a direction at one point and he kind of went that way, but then it was all different. It's really funny, if you could see in Jen and Keith's studio when we did the recordings, we would hit stop.

'cause it's one unbroken, like 45 minute to an hour recording, no editing, just live. And I don't think there was a single one we recorded last summer where we didn't hit stop and then go, what the hell was that? Yeah, 

Jennifer Taylor: what just happened? 

Tava Baird: What just happened? And we'd be like, what was that?

And then Keith would go back and listen to them that night and be like, oh my God, you guys you have to listen. So, 

Jennifer Taylor: yeah. 'cause a lot of times we can't [00:15:00] hear what's being said. Yeah. So we go into it where we have no, no plan at all. Right. It's just we typically start with the music and then Samael Miles starts speaking and for a lot of it, we can't hear what you're saying at all.

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: And, and 

Tava Baird: because I'm channeling, I'm not focused, like I'm not listening to the music because I'm just bringing him through. So it's always a surprise and a delight afterwards to go back and listen and go. That's what happened. I mean, I was in the room. But 

Jennifer Taylor: it is, it's always so surprising 'cause 

I can hear Keith, but I can't hear you for a lot of it. But we're each listening to our individual guides and bringing that through.

And then to hear how things come through, where there'll be these moments where, I mean, the exact second that you say something and we make a certain sound or we all stop, or you know, there'll be all these things that if we had planned it and practiced it over and over [00:16:00] and over, to be able to pull that off would've been like a monumental feat.

And yet these things just happen because we're all just being led and they all know what they're doing. Like they know what they're doing, they know what we're doing, they know the plan, they have a whole thing, but we don't have any idea. So it's always so amazing to go, oh my goodness, as soon as I started making this sound you said that and I it's like a Raven came into me and I was making these sounds in motions and I didn't realize that you were just saying we took flight or something.

Tava Baird: Right. There was one, and I can't remember which one it was, where Samael else said something like, I am the voice of the storm or something. And then an actual storm broke outside. Yeah. And yeah, and it was like, 

Jennifer Taylor: it was the Mary Magdalene one, because I think they're going across the desert. Oh, it was the Mary Magdalene ones desert and there's, yeah, and an actual massive thunderstorm comes up in the middle of it.

And so there's a few parts where it's quiet enough where you can actually hear the real thunder in the background as he's talking [00:17:00] about. Yeah. Like being the thunder and joining his brothers in the storm and something and we're like, whoa, this was not, 'cause I don't think that was a. Like a weather phenomenon that was expected because I no would've been like, we can't, we shouldn't be filming the or recording this in a thunderstorm.

It's gonna interfere with all of the audio and instead we had a real live thunderstorm as he's talking about the thunder, 

Tava Baird: you know, it's, yeah. Blows my mind. But so speaking of music, would you mind guys, Jen completely redid her studio and it looks beautiful and she's got all the instruments set up in different places.

The gong is now over to her left. Would you mind bringing through a little something for us today? 

Jennifer Taylor: Sure. Absolutely. we'll see what comes through. 

[00:18:00] Ooh.[00:19:00] [00:20:00]

[00:21:00] [00:22:00] Yeah.

Tava Baird: [00:23:00] I, I did not know how much I needed that gong and your voice with it in my life until just this moment. I could have done that all day easily, and I don't know. I mean, I knew you and Keith always talk about the vibration of the gong being powerful. I got a level of, okay, so full disclosure. A lot of times when Samael is talking to me, you know how, like before you speak, you, there's kind of this gray cloud of the meaning you want to get across, right?

And then that forms into his words and they come out. But sometimes there are occasional little like blips where as I am bringing the word through, I don't have, I feel like I've missed a [00:24:00] word, not a whole word somewhere, but I find myself sometimes when I go back and I look at, when I wrote down what he said, there are times where I will see repetition in some of the word choices.

And I know I, I get this feeling that that wasn't the exact word that was supposed to come through this time. And I don't know if it was the gong or the energy of the new space. I, I wrote down what he said, and if you just spoke, vocabulary is much more precise in this writing than I get sometimes where I'm like, oh, oh, okay, I've got this super clear now.

It's a hard thing to [00:25:00] explain. 'cause when I channel him, his words are his words. But it's the difference sometimes between hearing somebody talk to you on a phone and having them stand in the Samaele room. You know what I'm saying? There's like a, there's a certain. There are some times where the word sounds like there's a deeper meaning behind it that I'm missing and this time, well, I'm gonna read it to you and see if you hear a little bit of difference because this is what came through with you, with that gong.

The commonality of our vibration is the foundation of our work here Umshallah to bring divine rhythm and wavelength to those out of balance to allow our people to speak together in one [00:26:00] powerful voice. When the here reflects the existence beyond the fourth mirror, in some way, progress is made progress that cannot be undone.

And it all starts on this plane with language. Let your words resound outside of their societal boundaries with love. Let us turn to one another and say, you are heard and seen, and this statement is not a rote platitude. Let us sing together. Let our bones tremble with it, and then glory and balance will be ours.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, I, I totally, I totally hear what you mean and how you describe that really resonated with me too, because I feel like more and more these days, I'm [00:27:00] getting words and I am hearing Mary Magdalene and I'm hearing especially probably Mary Magdalene and more words from Michael, and it has that feeling where it's like, I.

It, there's that little bit of gray that it's coming through where it's like, I feel like I'm getting it, but maybe not just the, quite the right word, but a word that's very close or things like that. 

Tava Baird: Yes. 

Jennifer Taylor: And yeah, this, yeah, there's a level of clarity and exact, it's almost like when a, when you're using a tuner to tune an instrument.

Yes. And it's like, it's still an A, but it's, it's an A minus 5 cents or plus 15 cents. You know, it's not quite perfectly tuned, but it's close enough that you would still say, yeah, that's in tune. Yes, that's an A But it's not the level of just precision. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. It's like using a microphone with a filter and without a filter.

So when I hear him, I'm getting the [00:28:00] message and I think I do a decent job of, of translating. But it's, I feel like there's almost like a little filter in the way that's screening out some of his s sounds. And I feel like I got full s sound today. like the s just kind of went and it just came through.

And I don't know if it was the song or the vibration of your voice with the, I don't know what it was, but that vibration, I mean, 

Jennifer Taylor: the gong is we, Keith and I have said many times and, and lots of other people, this is not just us, but that the gong is like portal opening. it is, no doubt about it.

Like, you play this gong and you feel just portals open and 

Yeah, 

it's like the veils just disappear. Don't even so much thin as like disappear. So it makes total sense to me that the gong would have done that because it does have this real clearing [00:29:00] opening. Opening these portals kind of energy.

And it was interesting because I was playing it differently than I normally play it, and I was going in a counterclockwise motion, which is typically the, clearing away and re removing. So it's like clearing away and removing any sort of, barriers or things in the filter and like really clarifying things and opening.

Tava Baird: This is a fantastic segue into the question I had for you today because you were talking about going, you know, counterclockwise to the left, and that that's clearing and opening my many years as a practicing Wiccan, I always went clockwise. That was raising power, right? But since starting to work with since I started doing the four mirrors ritual, it's the first ritual I've ever done in my life that always goes to the left.

It always goes counterclockwise. And I'm noticing Samael Ael always goes left, left. He does the opposite. [00:30:00] and I always thought of it from a witchcraft standpoint, sort of as raising power, lowering power, but I think it's a difference between right hand path, left hand path, you know? And also so much of the work with Lilith begins with undoing.

It begins with clearing away. It begins with dropping things that no longer serve, that those early rituals are go to the left, go to the left. And it's funny because I sometimes will get people in the ritual who, you know, like me, they spent a decade going to the right. And I have to be like, you're gonna go to this side first.

it's just interesting. it's so funny to me because what he just said and the things we were talking about earlier before you sang. All really feed into the question that I wanted to bring up today, and this is gonna be a doozy, a question that may take us more than one episode. So here we go.

[00:31:00] Back when we started the podcast, we were in a completely different place. What is that year and a half ago now, maybe? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, we 

Tava Baird: started in like August 

Jennifer Taylor: or s Seems likes it would be so much further away from that, but yeah, I think maybe we did our first recording maybe in August of, would it be 2024?

Tava Baird: Yeah, I think that's right. And so we started the podcast and at the time we didn't really we didn't know what this was going to turn into. I was not Chain Link semi during the podcast. We kind of came on and our original business cards that I think I still am using around here somewhere in some cases said a witch in a reiki master walk into a room.

And we sort of started off talking about comparison of energy and or [00:32:00] practice and realizing that although we came from different traditions and backgrounds and our education was different, we ultimately were aiming for the Samaele thing, right? and then the podcast sort of went in its own direction and we both started channeling during it.

And it is what you see now. And I think we really found, where our feet were supposed to go. so I taught a class this last Sunday called House of Spirits. And house of Spirits is essentially it's class on hauntings, right? Because as humans here in our western society, we sort of loop a lot of energetic phenomenon into the idea of ghosts, right?

A lot of people walk through their daily life and they're not aware of any of the energies around them. And when they do feel something, it's spooky or it's, it's ghostly. [00:33:00] And especially having volunteered inside what people would term a haunted dwelling over the last, year and a half or whatever one of the things that I learned was Samaeluel sort of started breaking down energies for me and saying, what you're witnessing is this, it's nothing to be worried about.

Or what you're witnessing is this, this is something that where you could be of service or what you're witnessing is this, that is something where you need to call in assistance and sort of putting things into a format, talking about moving energies in a very specific place. This isn't even getting into energies, we move ourselves, but just energies that resounded that you might encounter, broad categories of energies that you might run into in a place that a lot of people would call haunted.

And he extrapolated that [00:34:00] out and said you know, people think that these phenomenon only happen in one place and that's just not true. They're around us all the time. We just don't environmentally pick up on it. And, but one of the things that was really neat about this class is that a lot of times, as I am giving people the terminology that Samaelil uses.

People are familiar with the phenomenon or the situation, they just didn't have a word for it. And so one of the things that the class does is it kind of gives us all collective vocabulary so that we can then discuss the movement of energies in a better way and say, this is something that appears to be conscious.

This is something that is unconscious. This is something that is linked to an embodied being. This is something that is linked to place. This is something that is a natural phenomenon, [00:35:00] whatever it is. And I realized that one of the things that was neat about the beginning of our podcast is we were doing a lot of comparison of language.

You would say, I call that an X. And I would say, oh, well the witches that I know call that a y. When we got this commonality of language, I remember, I think it was like a year later, we both decided, we were like, we need more names for sacred dark than we have. Because we realized that there were metaphysical concepts that we literally didn't have good words for but when you have similar words, then you can discuss.

Or if you at least know the equivalent word when you're learning another language. And so one of the things that came up for me in this, and we were talking about this earlier in this podcast, you were saying some of these people have attached [00:36:00] energies that they need to put down. And I'm thinking, I probably have a different word for the exact thing that you are talking about, but I don't know the equivalent between our words.

And so I thought it might be interesting a year, a year and a half later, as we've both ventured a lot further down this energetic path to say, when I'm working with someone and they have an entity attached to them, I, I have curiosity about like, wait, wait, wait, do you mean is this an energy, is this a conscious entity?

And to know what you call it. So then I can be like, have that Samaele thing. I'm just calling it something different. Also, when we first started the podcast, [00:37:00] you had done a lot more energy moving and work than I had, so I just called everything a spell right? And now my education has picked up and has been reframed.

And so I would love to talk about, and also so I can ask Samael if there are parts that I'm missing when I'm like, well, wait a second, Jen just described me and you've never discussed that with me. What is that called from your standpoint? And sort of see where we overlay. I just thought it would be interesting.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, no, actually I would, I would love that. And I was thinking about this just the other day and actually one of the people in my class is also an avid podcast listener, although he's still, I think maybe a year behind in the episodes and was asking because he had just listened [00:38:00] to an episode where we were talking about and I might've, I think mentioned spirit attachments and we were talking about that, you know, some things are better left to the kind of processes that.

You know that Samael, while was saying like, the 10 steps to sovereignty and some things can be cleared away with this healing spirit attachments kind of thing. And he was asking, what my understanding is now based on it and how has it changed? And I was thinking about that. And this is actually a conversation I've been wanting to have with you and Samael for a long time because I'd be really interested in getting a deeper understanding of some of the things.

'cause I have a sense of how to work with them, as far as from an energetic perspective with a, a client, or, you know, in helping to clear that. But, and I have a collection of, some language that I've sort of either developed or picked up from bits and pieces of other people that do this kind of work.[00:39:00]

But it's interesting because a lot of it is also more broader kinds of terms, and it's not broken down to the level that it sounds like Samael has now broken down. You know what, everybody would just call a ghost is now, there's a whole lot now. 15 different things. Yeah. It's like, there's a lot of categories within ghost kind of thing.

So yeah, I think that would be great. 

this is gonna be like all of energy is going to be interesting to try to structure into discussion, so we'll probably have to pick a place and start there and then wander through some things. And the other thing that's interesting is because my education in this area is more recent and new in terms of the stuff that he's been sharing with me over the last, you know, year and a half or so I know that this is not all of the terms and I know that this is not all of the [00:40:00] ones because it seems like daily I'm getting him explaining something else.

Tava Baird: So yeah, this will, this should be fun. 

Jennifer Taylor: Okay. So I will just, maybe I'll first describe what it is that I mean by spirit attachments. Okay. And again, that's definitely something that needs tweaking I'm sure. As far as certain understandings.

Let's see. I'll start it this way. So I talked about in actually a podcast interview a long time ago on a reiki from the farm podcast about experiences that I had with one of my children and. She had spent her entire life, being bombarded by what she called bad guys.

And I knew they were real. I knew she was seeing something that actually existed that I couldn't see. But, you know, all of the experts called it audio auditory and visual [00:41:00] command hallucinations. And even though some people say that childhood schizophrenia doesn't exist, they were like, if it ever did she has it like, just nonstop from the time she was really little, she started describing all of these different spirits and things that she saw, 

and it started out with just observing things and describing what sounded like Civil War or Revolutionary War soldiers that were walking by that we saw, and they didn't have anything to do with her. She just saw them. And then it became things that were all around her and were interacting with her and were acting out terrifying scenes and things around her.

And then they were telling her to do things with all kinds of threats of like, if you don't do this, we will X, Y, and z. And it continued to the point that there were thousands of them around all the time. And so she was completely [00:42:00]unable to function. Really it was like she was in what was deemed a psychotic state, which was really just complete overwhelm from all of these beings.

all talking at once, all demanding that she do all sorts of things and telling her terrifying things all the time. And we didn't know anything about energy at the time. We were doing the best we could, trying to figure out all of, you know, what is this? Trying to find people to help us. Couldn't find anybody that had anything that was particularly beneficial.

Other than that they said, call in Archangel Michael and calling in Archangel Michael would make her scream and cry. She was like, don't do it. Don't do it. They don't like it. They don't like it. They're gonna hurt me. Make it go away. Don't, don't call him. Don't call him, and would run and hide in the corner when we would say that.

So we're like, all right, that's real. And there's something, real there if they're terrified of Archangel Michael and are like, do not call him in. So she wouldn't call him in because of the threat [00:43:00] that they would make against her for doing it. So we're like, all right, that's real. After years, I'm jumping over a million different things, but I actually wrote an article about this, and I have it on my website if you want to hear more about it.

But essentially we got to a point where I took the Una level reiki class, which is six months beyond master and became aware that these were spirit attachments or at least that that could remove them. I don't know exactly what all they were, but what I realized when I, I talked to her and we went through this whole process was that there were different types of things that were there, and some seemed to just instantly leave.

Some were more difficult to, and some were very tenacious and were like, I'm not going anywhere. And we're trying to, threaten her to keep her from continuing. [00:44:00] but in the end, they all left all through this same process. And at the time I didn't have any sort of clairvoyance, but she has clairvoyance, like sees all of these energies and beings as clearly as she sees me.

And so for her, the rooms were always like completely crowded and filled And one of the things she had told me was that, 'cause I'd said she was, what? Seven, I think seven at the time. Not at the time that we figured this out, but at the time of what I'm about to tell you about. And I said, just tell them to go away and leave you alone, that you're just a child.

You can't help them just tell them to go away. And she said, no, I can help them and I do help them and I won't send them away. And this was also at that point, I mean, they were bombarding and they were intrusive, but I [00:45:00] don't think the commands were had become as, as dangerous as they became later.

Like later it was, you know, kill them, stab you, do all of these things, do things to yourself. But at that time they were more just constantly there and constantly badgering her all day long and all night long. And she said they come and I send them to the light. And they want to go to the light.

And they know I can send them and I can, but it was like, I, I do it one at a time and it takes forever. And there are thousands of them. And there's always there's just always more like there's a never ending thing and I can't do all of it. And because I can't keep up with it, they're all like constantly shouting out to me what they want and what they need.

But I thought it was really interesting that she was like, no, I can send them. I'm like, you, you're seven. Like, you, you can't help them. And she's like, of course I can. And already just automatically knew. She was like, I send [00:46:00] them to the light. So that started adding to our understanding of what was happening.

And then there were the ones that came in that were just telling her to do really dangerous things that she didn't wanna do, but felt like if I don't do them, something terrible is gonna happen. 

Tava Baird: Okay. So, fast forward to me realizing, oh my gosh, I think this is what they are. I think they are spirit attachments, 

Jennifer Taylor: So after I had enough experience and practice with it, because the idea of all of it still scared, the absolute crap outta me, just scared me to death because I saw what it did to her.

And I think the reason I couldn't see, and I hadn't been able to develop any of these Claire's, was because some part of me knew if I'm seeing what she's seeing, we're both going down, you know, like I can't steer the ship if I can see all the stuff that's happening and I'm then bombarded as well, although I'm sure [00:47:00] energetically I was, affected by all of them, but at least I couldn't see it.

So it was easier to kind of block out. So I was like, okay, I really think I know what this is, and I think this can help. And so we talked about it, and I had done this with a friend who was very clairvoyant and had described the process. And I was like, okay, I have a good understanding of it.

Let's do it. So we sat down and for this process, what I do is activate Holy Fire reiki. I fill myself with it, I fill her with it. I say a prayer that asks that my entire ego and all of my personal energy be set to the side so that only the pure energy of the Holy fire the Holy Fire, reiki. And God's love and forgiveness be a part of this spirit release process.

So I really step back and take [00:48:00] myself out of it. And I'm just the conduit for the holy fire energy and then am calling in. And at by that point, I was working regularly with Archangel Michael especially for this process. I always did that. I worked with Eckajati and would call in them and Jesus and all the angels and ask for them to come in and surround her and help to lift away and heal all of the spirits present.

So I'm sitting there with her and we're just sitting actually in this room actually almost exactly where I'm sitting right now, facing each other. And I was like, just, you can just describe what's happening. Tell me what's happening, and we're just gonna go, we're gonna go through this together.

And so she starts describing all of these hosts of angels and all this light and just being bathed in the light. And I could feel a lot of what was happening. I couldn't see it, but I could kind of feel some of it. to me it looks [00:49:00] like these little like wisps of energy light, sort of like a fog, but fog with some degree of shapes and maybe that is like residual energy, something that's lost and doesn't seem to be, have any real consciousness there that are just, it's like, it's just like a moth to a flame but it has no real awareness of what's going on.

Those. Instantly leave. It's like those just instantly go up into the light. And essentially what's happening in this process as I understand it, is that these angels come in, the light comes in and they speak to and interact with the energies and offer them to go to the light, to, you know, to go up in and be healed.

Like return to, their ancestors, return to some level of the all where they can receive more healing and return to [00:50:00]their, original soul essence or get closer to that and have help. and depending on who it is and what's happening and what level of consciousness and why they're there to begin with, that interaction seems to be more and more like an influential kind of thing.

Alright. I'm not saying that well, so she would describe it as like kind of a negotiation to some extent where large groups of them would leave at a time and the less conscious, the more quickly and instantly they would go into the light. The ones that had more conscious awareness that I am here and I'm here for a reason, those didn't just automatically leave.

And a lot of them, and this is where now I've come to a thing where I have a slightly different language for some of them. One group I tend to [00:51:00] call like guardians, where they've been called in a lot of times because we have like a. Maybe we're going through a trauma or you know, we're a child and we're afraid and we're just like, somebody help me, just somebody help me.

And they come in and are like, alright, I'm gonna help you. But the kind of help they provide, it's like eating a bag of chips, maybe It's like stress eating may feel like it helps you get through the preparation for a meeting when you're super stressed, but it's not really ultimately the most helpful kind of thing.

You know, it's like, it's not a healthy thing to be doing. It's not the best way to get through it, but it serves some kind of a purpose in the moment. And so my understanding is that there are certain types of beings that come in that we all, we kind of unconsciously call in that are like, I'm gonna help you get through this.

But their way of doing it, like, let's say going through a massive heartbreak where your [00:52:00] heart has just been broken and you're like, I just, I can't do this anymore. I feel so vulnerable. And so they'll come in and it's like, all right, I'm gonna wall off your heart and make sure nobody can get to it to keep you safe so 

nobody can break your heart again, which in that moment may help you to feel safe enough to get through this traumatic thing. But at some point you outgrow that and you're like, I need to, expand. I want to let love in again. I want to trust somebody. I wanna have this. But they're still there going, Nope, this is my job.

I am here to keep your heart locked down and make sure nobody hurts you. And they think they're doing you a service. They are there to help and they take their job very, very seriously. And it's like, no, I'm not going anywhere. I promised you I, and it's almost like they're fulfilling an assigned role that they take really seriously and can't be talked out of it.

And so a lot of times then the angels that come in, it's like, what [00:53:00] happens is that they are explaining this is actually harmful. You know, not only am I offering you healing for whatever you need help with, but help them to realize that they are, they're actually causing harm by staying, and that they've kind of overstayed their welcome.

And that by being there, it's causing harm. And so the people that have been able to describe what they see to me really clearly is that there's this negotiation of, and sometimes it's just a matter of, oh my gosh, I'm hurting them. No, I'm here to help. Like, what are you talking about? And when they just realize that their presence is harmful, they happily go and receive healing for themselves and apologize on their way out.

Then there's a level, there's some that seem to be assigned to being there. And I don't know exactly what the assignments are, but actually part of the [00:54:00] language in the spirit release is that we're asking the holy fire reiki to flow through all the spirits attached, all of their cords and connectors and sources of power and all their assignments, and all those who have given them assignments.

so some of them, and this has been described, this was described by my daughter, and then also by a number of other people who have watched it, where it's like they're going, Nope, I have to do this. And I think on some level they realize that they're causing harm. But I am, I was assigned to do this.

I was sent here to do this, and I can't leave my post. And there seems to be a fear of what will happen if they do, and also a sense that I'm not worthy of anything more than this. And those negotiations are the most fascinating. And she would describe, and a lot of times they looked the most grotesque.

Like she would describe them as like, you know, digging their talons into them, but they looked [00:55:00] almost like really grotesque gargoyle kind of things. And were like, I'm not going anywhere. And they're tended to be what looked, what was described as like these epic battle kinds of things. but at the Samaele time, there was a conversation going on that was like, you are worthy of more, and I am offering you grace and healing and forgiveness, and not forgiveness in the sense of, you know, you're bad, I'm good and I'm gonna forgive you.

But you can let go of all of that no matter what you've done, no matter what has happened. You're not irredeemable. everybody's getting offered this, this light and this opportunity to transform and to return to your original state. And so many people have described this to me where, and she said the Samaele thing where there was one that was like hideous and she was really afraid, like, this one is not gonna leave and I'm gonna get punished for having even [00:56:00] tried.

But they continued and they continued and they continued. and the conversation would go something like, you are worthy. This is being offered to you. This healing is being offered. And they're like, no, not to me. Not, not to me. I don't get stuff like that. I, I don't get to be saved.

I don't get to be healed. This is the, this is all I get. You don't understand. And they're like, no, you do. And it would just keep saying, not, not for beings like me, not for things like me. You don't get it. And there would be a moment when it was like, seriously, I mean really? Like, this isn't joke, you are really offering this to me.

And they're like, yeah. And they would describe it as it would start to change form. And something that went from the most terrifying thing you could imagine started looking cute and cuddly. And this one gar goy looking terrifying thing turned into this baby monkey in their [00:57:00] image. 

And it was being cradled by the angel and like snuggling up in it and waving and and then they start apologizing because it was like, oh my gosh, I am so sorry. I'm so sorry for the harm that I've caused you. I'm so sorry for what I've done. And or then going up into the light in the arms of these angels, one of them, the most tenacious, most terrifying one to her that she was like, it's not gonna leave.

It's never gonna leave. You know, nothing can be stronger than this. Ended up transforming and she was, started laughing 'cause she had gone from like, this is really scary to just laughing and giggling. And I'm like, what are you, like, what are you laughing? And she was like, he just looks so funny dancing in the light.

Like, and it went from this terrifying thing to dancing and twirling and just like silly dancing and joy in the light as it was going up. And she was like, he just looks so silly in the light and the way he's dancing. He's dancing so [00:58:00] silly that it made her giggle. So I mean, this thing that had been absolutely terrifying and she was sure was way too powerful and would never change.

His mind was making her giggle from how, like cute and silly it looked. So those are kind of the, the different types of things. And I don't know exactly, you know, what they are. Other than that, some definitely have major levels of consciousness. And then, I guess I'll say this, my part of my other experience is working with, with Jonathan Goldman of the Essential Light Institute and having sessions and individual sessions with him and him talking also in a class about being mediums of transport.

And he talks about that certain people, certain souls part of their job and their reason for being here is to be what he calls a medium of transport. And that's exactly what she was. Where you are like, you have this really brilliant light and you are [00:59:00] like this beacon for souls that are lost who are of maybe that, I don't know, maybe they died suddenly and they don't realize that they're dead or they're just wandering around and need help and they come to you.

And he said for most of most people, they do it unconsciously and maybe don't even know that they, most of them don't know that they're medium of transport and don't realize what they're doing. But apparently a lot of times that happens in their sleep, like they automatically just know how to sort of flip on the switch and turn on the light to the greater light and send and like process all these different groups of souls that come to them.

but he was saying, you know, for some it can get overwhelming, there can get the backlog of it if you can see really clearly, but you don't know what's happening. You know, it can be more traumatizing. so, you know, I believe that a lot of those were just souls that didn't know how to cross over at that point, didn't know what to do, [01:00:00] and they see our inner light and it's like,I, I naturally know that I wanna go to the light, but yours is the brightest I could find and don't seem to know how to make that connection to, you know, like crossing over kind of to the, to the greater light.

And I realized the word light is used a lot. Like it is used so much in reiki, Like reiki is often seen as light and actually activates like bio photons. And these things, like in our bodies, like you can actually measure the amount of light that our bodies emit when we're moving energy.

And that's not just a reiki thing, but like, you know, when we're channeling energy. And I think probably the higher vibrations especially actually translate into light. but light is really what's seen, like my visual interpretation and the visual interpretations of the people who have a lot of [01:01:00] clairvoyance always see it as light.

Like there's just this profound column of light. and Jonathan doesn't do reiki, but he does something he calls light and he literally says, I call light. And the being white eagle that he works with, which is actually a collection of beings going by White Eagle, which we talked about, I guess maybe even last week.

White Eagle is constantly saying, just call light, call the light, and has taught us, you know, processes of working by calling light. and every time I do that, it's like this massive column of light appears and apparently the more you work with that, the broader and broader and broader that column gets, and as the way he puts it your portion of light grows and increases as you work with it and as you put it to good use .

So yeah. Okay. So there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff there. 

Tava Baird: This is so freaking fascinating to me [01:02:00] because the stuff that you are talking about, I've heard you tell not everything in that story, but part of that story before, both like you've, you've mentioned it on the podcast, but we've also talked personally outside and I was just like, ah, I don't know what's going on there.

But as you were talking, Samaeluel was having me write down from his standpoint what he, what, what his interpretation is. And it's so freaking amazing because this is right at the edge of where my learning is right now. This is something that's very topical with him right now. So you wanna hear this? This is gonna be so neat.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, I definitely do. One thing that I realized I should say, in case we head off on a different tangent, and I don't wrap this up for people [01:03:00] who have not heard any of this story what happened after that fact is that we sat there and I did the spirit release over and over and over and she watched them all leave and then we just sat there and she's like, they're all gone.

They're all gone. I don't think she had been in a room that wasn't filled with spirits like that her whole life. and they were all gone. And we just sat there. And so then I was like, all right, here's what we're gonna do, because we know they're gonna keep coming. You know, it's not like this was the end, and you know, we've dumped out the box and it's not gonna fill back up again.

So what I did was I recorded the spirit release and put it on. At that point it was her iPod. And I said, anytime one comes in, just put on the spirit release and know that they will get the help that they need. And so she started doing that, and most of the time that recording was enough.

[01:04:00] And that recording is actually I've made other ones since then, but that's essentially what is in the peace and release. So I know you hear, like people hear us talk about all the time Oh yeah. The spirit. There are multiple, multiple, multiple layers of spirit release in that peace and release.

In addition to the channeled spirit release that is, that we're bringing through with our voices and the instruments. So she started playing that and she could get them to leave, she could get them to be moved on by the angels. When all they were, they were all cleared away, she was able to start seeing angels.

And it was the first time in that process that she was ever able to see angels instead of just terrifying, really upset, really confused, or really consciously maleic beings. And then she started being able to feel the difference between the vibrations of them. Because a lot of times they would [01:05:00] pretend to be angels, but they weren't.

They could make themselves look like angels, but they couldn't fake the vibration. And when I taught her how to feel into what they were based on their vibration, she said instantly then they would know. And they would turn into their, the form that they were currently occupying.

and inevitably there would be maybe 10% that wouldn't leave with that recording alone. and she would call me in and I would do it directly, personally, specifically for that. And I would call in Archangel Michael and I would call in Eckajati and Jesus and we would get that cleared.

And I realized, I don't normally talk about Jesus necessarily, but Jesus is actually the divine being that brings us the holy fire energy. And so I work with him as a guide especially when it comes to spirit release stuff. And then I taught her reiki and she got reiki, reiki master and reiki masters when you're able to start [01:06:00] doing these for yourself and even Kauna Reiki.

So then she got to where she could do it for herself, so she didn't have to call me in for that. You know, maybe 10% that wouldn't leave. She could do it herself. And the longer we went, the less of the ones that wouldn't leave easily. I think we're coming in. and what happens, one of the things that happens in this process is that the first part of it is that you're flowing the holy fire reiki through all of the spirits and the cords and connectors and all those things that I was saying.

Then you're asking that the holy fire release and heal all of those things. And then you just turn the whole thing over to, you know, the team and go, okay, you guys got it. When that's over. The second stage of that is sending the reiki into heal and fill up and seal those spaces in us that allowed the spirits to be present so that they cannot be used [01:07:00] by unhealthy spirits ever again.

And so the idea is that a lot of times it's our own unhealed places that allow these energies to come in and for, you know, for my daughter it was, there were, there was a lot of other things going on, but just regular people who are not having so many other traumas.

We still have all these different sorts of attachments and things and that are with us. And so every time we do this spirit release and you know, they get healing. We get healing because they leave. And then that space that allowed them to attach that space that had some sort of hurt, some sort of thing that was unresolved, was unhealed that gets filled up and healed and sealed.

And so it's like our aura becomes more and more intact and more and more healthy. So it's better able to hold our space and hold our boundaries so that we are not as [01:08:00] easily drained. And just kind of picking up on things. So, but I wanted to be sure not to leave anybody thinking that she's still in that space, so she, no, now she can stay clear all the time.

Tava Baird: Oh my God. Okay, so this is so interesting because this is the Samaele story that you just told me with slightly different words. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, I can't wait. I cannot wait 

Tava Baird: to 

Jennifer Taylor (2): hear what he has to say. 

So I hate to leave you hanging, but this conversation went on for three and a half hours. So this is where we will leave you for this week, and then we will continue, with the next part next week where you will get to hear what Samael was telling Tava throughout the whole story and how he sees the entire story that I just told from his perspective.

And it is. Really amazing and illuminating. But in [01:09:00] order to leave you here in a good place, it seemed only fitting to end the podcast with the spirit release. and actually, I guess you probably heard it maybe the beginning of the last episode, but. This is again, a recording that has many layers of the spirit release in it, as well as channeled, song through various instruments and my voice to really help to lift and clear away all those energies that we pick up during the day.

so. This is piece and release, and again, if you want to be able to access it, It's streaming for free on my website, or if it's something that you want to download and be able to have it on your own personal device, you can access that also through my website, Amnivara.com, and have a link to the band camp where you can be able to stream it or download it, in a much higher [01:10:00] quality as well.

Here is peace and release, and I hope that your week is filled with peace. Many blessings. Until next time. Peace [01:11:00] and [01:12:00] [01:13:00] [01:14:00] [01:15:00] [01:16:00] Release