Episode 15 (Part 2 of 2): Hecate, Goddess of Boundaries: Keeping Your Energy in Balance

In this episode of Mystical Musings, Jennifer Taylor and Tava Baird continue their discussion on the importance of setting boundaries, maintaining balance, and recognizing one's worth. The conversation includes personal anecdotes, a spontaneous song, and wisdom from spiritual beings like Archangel Michael and Samael. They delve into topics such as psychic vampires, overburdening oneself in caregiving roles, and the importance of self-care. Practical tips for setting boundaries and the concept of living from faith, not fear, are also explored.

 Introduction and Song
 Spontaneous Singing with Samael
 Discussion on Psychic Vampires
 Setting and Understanding Boundaries
 Generosity vs. Lack of Boundaries
 Volunteer Burnout
 Teaching and Mentoring
 Importance of Self-Care
 Final Thoughts on Boundaries and Balance
 Singing with Samael
 Closing Remarks

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Jennifer Taylor: Hello, and welcome to another mystical musings podcast. As I'm sure you noticed, this is part two of a two part podcast. If you didn't listen to part one, I highly recommend that you start there so that things will make a lot more sense. If for some reason you just really want to start with this one, I'm just going to let you know that we'll start with a song. 

This song is actually One that I just spontaneously started singing with Samuel while Tava had to just step out of the room to let her dogs out. 

so I was just sitting there waiting for Tava to come back. And I thought, well, it's just, myself and Samael here. We may as well enjoy the time. 

And so I just started singing and had a feeling that we were Just enjoying that singing time together. So I will start with that song, which is also how we ended the last podcast. And then you will get to hear how things flowed from there. 

 (singing_ 

[00:03:39] Tava Baird: You missed singing? Oh, no. 

[00:03:42] Jennifer Taylor: it was funny. You left and in my head I said, well, it's just you and me Samael. And then I was like, well, let's sing. And so, I don't know, I just started singing and I felt like on some level he was singing with me. So like we were sitting here singing together. 

[00:03:58] Tava Baird: I didn't know what was going on. I came back in the room and I heard him say, it is lovely. And then I was like, what's happening? What did I miss? While I let the dog out. I'm so glad you guys got to hang out and sing. So lovely. I get to hear it when we do the recording.  

Yeah. Yeah. Bring those angelic energies through, baby. Yeah. Where were we? Oh, Psychic Vampires. Um, now I want to hear the song like that'll be my treat. if I start editing tonight, that'll be my treat is I'll get to hear the song. 

It'll be interesting to see how it comes through. Cause it was with the different mic. So.  

Oh, okay.  

[00:04:43] Jennifer Taylor: Cause I didn't hook anything up. I was just more just sort of doing it just to entertain myself and Samael while we were. I he was saying he liked to echo. And so I was thinking, well, maybe he wants to echo, maybe he'd like to echo me. 

So I don't know. I'm not sure what his part was, but it felt lovely.  

[00:05:02] Tava Baird: He just said, I am a mockingbird. He thinks, he thinks that's very funny. 

Um,  

[00:05:10] Jennifer Taylor: yeah, oh, so I think  

[00:05:11] Tava Baird: I said, uh, I think we were talking about, I said, psychic vampires,Sometimes it's just, they don't pick up on societal or social norms and that's fine, you know. Um, but I guarantee that everyone listening As one in their lives right now, they all have a need. 

It's like a need to feed. And it's a lot of times they just want to talk or they want to be in your presence and sort of feed off of your energy for a lot longer than is sustainable for you. And the way around this is to set up. boundaries. Um, and Samuel did say a little something on boundaries here that I wanted to read. 

He said, "worth, it all begins with worth. When you know yourself and can trust and respect yourself, you begin to feel your boundaries. A lack of boundaries should not be confused with a generous heart." Oh boy, do I need to take that too."" When you do not eat or sleep or center due to lack of boundaries, Others take too much, some consciously, some unconsciously. 

Soon there will be nothing left of you. You will make poor choices and attachments you do not want will take root in your soul. There are more energies than the angelic around you. Keep this in mind." So I just got about two days of this, um, from him. Um, I have a terrible habit of confusing a lack of boundaries with being generous. 

I think, Oh, someone wants to eat that thing that I want to eat, or someone wants my attention and I haven't had lunch yet, I will, I will, I will. Always take the sacrificial hit so that they can have the attention or the item that they want. If someone wants to stay up late, even if I am tired, I have great difficulty saying, no, I'm sorry. 

I'm too tired for this. If someone writes me an email, there's like this little timer that goes off in my head of how long I have to respond, and then after that timer goes off, if I haven't responded, I start drowning in guilt. And here's the thing. Those people don't want me to feel like that. They would be mortified if they knew that them reaching out to me was stressing me out or causing me not to eat. 

It's something I do to myself. Psychic vampires are sort of different in that they really reach out and attempt to take. Most people are not attempting to take and would feel Absolutely horrible if they knew you were skipping a meal or not sleeping when you needed to to satisfy something that might not even be as important to them as you are imagining it is in your own mind. 

There have been times when I think, oh, if I don't do this thing for this person, they're going to be so upset. This is, I'm sure, absolutely essential to them, only to discover later that they wish I had taken longer because they're behind on things, too. And, also, when you make yourself super human, To the point where you don't need basic things like time off, or sleep, or time to get well. 

Oh my god, this is so awful. I used to literally reduce myself to tears every time I called out sick to work because I was so certain that my being ill was going to ruin everybody else's day by giving them more work, that I would try to pull myself together and stumble into work no matter how awful I looked, no matter how dead I was, and that isn't serving anybody because all I'm going to do is end up getting that sick. 

And making myself sicker so that I can't get better. A world is set up with sick days in it for a reason. It is set up with mute buttons for a reason and out of office emails as we become more connected and especially if you have a generous soul and you are a person who has the ability to heal. I know guys, I sound like I know what I'm talking about here and I'm preaching to the choir. 

I know all the right things to say. Practicing it is something different, right? But if we don't place any value. on our own boundaries. No one else will either, whether they are alive or deceased. And, so this building of healthy boundaries, it's not a shutting out of other people. It's making it so you can continue to do the work that you are called to do. 

 if you remember during COVID, we were all so horrified. When doctors and nurses didn't have things like gloves and masks, the basic tools, they needed to do their job. First off, it was horrible to think that Our healers would be put in that position. Second, we all realized that if all of our healers got COVID, we were royally screwed, right? 

Because there was going to be no one out there to dispense the medicine and help ease, the suffering of the dying. And there was, we just, we would break down as a society. If there are lots of people that require energy of you, if you have children, they do. If you have a partner, they do. Your friends, your family, whoever you volunteer or work with, all of this takes energy. 

And if you completely break down, you completely break down, and you're not there anymore, it can really throw the world that you move through into chaos. People won't have access to all of the things that you do. And it is a really hard thing to do because as a society, we built a society here in the West that tends to run on volunteers. 

Right. And especially female volunteers. I was in the grocery store about a year ago and I walked down an aisle and I heard four women who were all Girl Scout leaders basically planning an event in the middle of the grocery store. And I could tell from listening to them that probably three out of the four were already underwater in their own lives and were devoting tons and tons and tons of hours to try to make this event a success. 

And that is admirable, but When you power an entire organization on volunteers, if you burn out those volunteers, the organization simply will not exist anymore. And I couldn't help but think as I stood there, I wanted to walk up to them and go, do you guys need help? Cause I used to be a Girl Scout leader too. 

And then realized, Oh my God, I'm going to get pulled into this like void of an event. And I don't have the resources to do it. And I don't even know who they are. I needed to have enough of a boundary to say. I'm taking care of everybody I can possibly take care of at this time. I need to build personal care into my schedule and I also need to do it to be a model to my own students of how to take care of themselves. 

If we burn out all of our healers and our organizers and all of our volunteers, then we won't have the lovely things that we want to have. And also organizations that rely. on people who are burned out never have the opportunity to learn the error of their ways. If we dump way too much on one sector of society and just expect them to endure those loads perpetually, people who really could and should be taking on part of the load never learn what it is to step into that role. 

So. The other thing I wanted to bring up is the idea of mentoring. We don't do a ton of that in this country. Um, whenever you are, we, instead to think, it's easier if I just do it myself and it'll get done the way I want to do it. But if you are holding all of the eggs in your basket, no one is ever going to learn to do that job when you are called somewhere else. 

So, if you do have energy to give, you have the ability to teach. When you are volunteering, ask for a shadow. Ask for who else could learn this information and these skills, because the more we spread it around and all become part of our solutions, the less burned out we're all going to be. And that's a really hard thing to do because a lot of our society there are very much people in our society who would just like to coast when while other people are carrying the burden. 

So take a look at your burdens and think who can I share some of these with? Who has a responsibility to step up and hasn't? And are the things that I am doing generous? Or the things that I am doing a lack of boundaries.  

[00:15:36] Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, I think there are a couple things that keep us, whether it's in a, volunteering, active kind of physically doing things, or whether it's an emotional kind of, overdoing and taking on responsibilities for others, it gets rewarded by our society, that over Samile was talking about with the lack of boundaries, being confused with a generous heart that people will kind of reward you for not having any boundaries and tell you how generous you are. 

You know, you're so loving, you're so caring, you're such an example. And it feeds that. Lack of boundaries and it, it gives you a false sense of this is what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm on the right track. Meanwhile, you're getting more and more exhausted. Maybe you're getting sick. Maybe you've developed a, a major illness because of the lack of boundaries. 

And so it can be really hard to start establishing those boundaries because it's like, well, everybody's gonna think that I'm You know, I'm being selfish. I'm not being nice. You know, I'm not that person anymore. You know, and a lot of times our identity is wrapped up in that idea of other people think that I'm like this. 

And if I stop doing that and I start having some boundaries, it's all going to change. And what I found is that oftentimes it really doesn't. What it does is, Actually come as a relief to the people that have been saying that sometimes they just want to use as much of you as they can. 

But oftentimes, if it's someone that you're really in some kind of relationship with a lot of the time, it's not It's a relief to them to see you starting to care for yourself because as much as you're giving, they worry and they see that lack of boundaries. And over and over, I keep getting this message of that boundaries is an inside job. 

And I think that that comes from so many things. And I think the inside job starts with the worth, like Sam, I always saying, and like Tava was saying, you know, where first we have to believe that we are worthy. of having anything ourselves. Because if we don't feel that we are worthy of having health, of having time to, to spend on things that just bring us joy, that we, if we don't feel like we are worthy of, Maybe spending a little bit extra to get, you know, the healthier food or to just sit and be like, I'm going to treat myself because I'm exhausted and I need to eat now or whatever those things are. 

If we don't feel worthy of it, then there's nowhere to start. There's no foundation to build the boundaries on to begin with. And I find that. Overlaps so much, energetically, there's both the, physical exhaustion from physically overdoing and signing up for too many things. 

And sure, I'll bring this shore. I'll volunteer for that day when you really needed. that day to rest. And so there's that, but there's also the energetic porousness, when we open ourselves up to everyone and everything, we genuinely are opening ourselves up energetically to all the beings that are out there, all the lost souls, all the, you know, discarnate kinds of energies, all the thought forms that are floating around in mass that are, you know, just collections of all of, of people's thoughts and fears and worries. 

We, we take in all of that. It's like, we're energetic Swiss cheese and When we're like that, we don't have the ability to keep doing the healing work that we're doing and we start breaking down. And so one of my big things, about boundaries and protection is people talk about, you know, well, what do you do to protect yourself? 

And There's so many, articles out there and different things about putting up boundaries that, the way to set up those boundaries is all about like building walls or warding something off, having a symbol that's going to keep things away and scare them away and, kind of barricading yourself inside something or, asking a being to come and, protect. 

And I am all for that. Do not get me wrong. Archangel Michael, I call all the time. Samuel is absolutely wonderful. And, steps in and having those guardian, beings, these divine entities who have the bigger picture and have the ability to help move things on is super, super helpful. But what I've been shown is that there's only so much they can do. 

Archangel Michael had shown me that it was like. if you imagine it like a castle, they've, barricaded outside, they've done all these things and he's, protecting this whole castle, but then I go and open a window and throw down a rope and I'm like, come on guys, come out, you know, over here. 

That's kind of what it's like. I'm doing all this stuff, but then you're putting down the drawbridge, you know You're opening you're opening the back door when I'm barricading the front door trying to keep you safe And it it's like we do that by not Believing in our own worth and by having false beliefs that we are responsible for other people's energy. 

We are responsible for other people's healing, for taking their portion of their work to do and carrying it ourselves. And when we have these kinds of beliefs, we inadvertently open other doors and other windows and it's like, you know, I'm trying to help you. He said, I am not here as a protector against something. 

I am here for something to uphold your boundaries. When you have, identified something, in particular that you need help eliminating or removing and you need protection, from that, that's something that is not respecting free will. You know, I will be here when you call and I will guide you and But that, you know, like the asking for overall protection from me is beneficial, but it's more complicated. 

So there are things that you do that thwart my efforts and allow in things that I would not. Boundaries is an inside job. I can hold the line and vanquish your foes, but you must keep the gates shut. At the same time, barricading yourself inside walls is not healthy either. There must be an openness that comes from faith as well as a strong barricade. 

And it says to shut yourself away, block out the sun, and hold your heart as though it is fragile and can be hurt is not a way to live. There must be a degree of faith, an activation of that energy. Firm foundation on which to stand and say here I am and feel your power. Feeling your power is, that is key. 

Owning your power. Knowing your worth and upholding it. These are keys to safety and sovereignty. To living life from faith, not fear. You do not want to spend it hiding away behind walls nor smothering beneath the lies of others. There must be balance. Balance. Balance.  

[00:23:25] Tava Baird: Yes.  
 

[00:23:26] Jennifer Taylor: And I asked because the word faith can be confusing or conflicting for people, I asked him to talk more about what he meant as far as living from faith, because that tends to have a religious kind of connotation, and he said living from a knowledge that you are protected, supported, Loved, healed, held by something both larger than yourself and within yourself. 

That everything is connected. That all is based in love. Living from a place of knowing that you are not alone. You are never alone and never will be. You are a spark of the divine and therefore connected to the all that is, and all is well. So it looked like you were getting stuff. I  

[00:24:17] Tava Baird: have it, yes,  

Samaya literally adds one sentence to that, which is, If it will fall down without you, it is not meant to stand. And, I know that that's something that's really, I go, but if I don't show up, we will all fall apart if I'm not there, this all hinges on me. And. if you, the mission that you're on is going to utterly collapse because you don't show up somewhere on the third Tuesday of April. 

It's not strong and it's not in a format where it's meant to stand. You have to look at it and say, can this stand without me? Um, I'm going to go back to Maria Montessori. Are you guys ready? Here we go. It reminded me of her. Your  

[00:25:09] Jennifer Taylor: Montessori moment.  

[00:25:10] Tava Baird: My Montessori moment in the podcast, uh When, you know, a lot of our classrooms in the West, it's all of the children gathered around looking up at the teacher who's writing things on the board. 

Everything is centered around what that teacher says and does. One of the things that's really revolutionary about Montessori education is that it's not centered around the teacher. It's centered around the relationship between the child and their environment. And the teacher is really just a conduit to prepare the environment for the child. 

It's a very different way of looking at education. And Maria Montessori told her teachers that their ultimate goal in the classroom was for the children to be working as though the teacher did not exist. And that was the measure of success, that the children could teach each other, they could interact and care for the environment without someone running around putting the tops on all the glue sticks. 

And delivering the lesson themselves. I always knew when my class was successful, when I was teaching toddlers, very day, usually a couple of weeks in where I could look at my assistant and say, going to leave the classroom and go to the bathroom. And she would just nod and I would step outside the room and the door. 

And I would go over, go to the bathroom, to the need, the human need of my own, and return. And if the classroom was not full of screaming children who had all been fixated on my presence. I was doing my job well. And so that's, you know, company that crumbles when one person isn't there or a volunteer organization that falls apart when one person isn't there is not currently designed to stand. 

One of, there are two ways that I wanted to just bring up that we sometimes get ourselves into these situations where you think, find my power. Have I ever had any, right? A lot of us may have grown up in situations where we were the main peacekeepers in our community, in our households a lot of times, where we may have had parents or siblings who had specific issues. 

And if we just sat there and ran around and gave everybody the emotional needs that they had, Everything would flow all right. This happens to a lot of children where they are hoping to take care of their siblings or younger siblings, or they are helping to manage mom and dad's relationship that isn't going so well. 

Especially a lot of older and first children. I know there's something actually that has had several articles written on it lately called Firstborn Daughter Syndrome. Where they talk about the amount of pressure that is often placed on oldest daughters to keep the household running almost like they are a third adult. 

And it affects all of their relationships moving forward, they fall into a role where they're just trying to get everybody else on even keel, the expense of themselves. And then when they grow up, they continue to do this. They become the peacekeeper in the office or in the volunteer organization at the expense of their own ability to function. 

They stop seeing themselves as having value, as having boundaries. They're just trying to get to that. If I can just make it till Friday, everything is going to be fine. But that's, it never just ends on Friday. I think it was a, it might have even been the last podcast where I said to Jen, do you ever have those days where you hope to get arrested so you can sit quietly in the corner of a room and stare at a wall for a few hours? 

And Jen said, I think most parents feel that way, right? That's not a manageable place to be in long term. Everybody has those times, but if you are living in that place, you need to start looking, how can I get out of this place? How can other people understand what it is that I need and how can I be comfortable giving them the honor of some of that responsibility. 

The other thing I wanted to bring up of the, uh, is the idea that it's a calling. You will hear this applied a lot of times. I was watching an episode of Abbott Elementary the other day, which I had never seen. It is a really wonderful little show and it's about this group of teachers that are teaching in inner city Philadelphia. 

They have a Simple, who doesn't know what she's doing and absolutely no budget. They are still trying to create environments where the children can learn. And you see them a lot of times when they are at the end of their rope going, well, it's not just a job, it's a calling and rowing all of throwing their own money, their own health, their own wellbeing under the bus, because teaching is a calling. 

It's been given this, this idea that it is a religious calling, that you are here to tend to the children and that you have no needs of your own. You see this in the medical field a lot too. Nurses, it's a calling, right? They're in there dealing with a lot. And doctors literally could not do their job without the nurses who are often really sacrificing themselves to keep things going. 

We need to understand that even if something is a calling, doesn't mean you should be sacrificed for that calling. There are a lot of industries and organizations out there that will say as a tool of manipulation, well, you can do it with nothing because this is your calling. You're answering a higher power. 

I do not believe that there are higher powers that want us to completely obliterate ourselves so that a school system or a hospital can save a little bit of money. I really, really don't. What we need to work on in our society is a shift towards these people who it is a calling need to be supported just as much as we support the CEOs of large organizations, right? 

Just as much as we support some of these bigger, um, you know, some of the people who it isn't a calling. Uh, it was, It's amazing to me sometimes to look at which professions are identified as a calling and realizing that these are our most underpaid and under supported positions. And this is something that we're all going to need to collectively speak to. 

for in order to change it. And I can see there's movement on to do that. It's going to take time, but if anybody ever says to you, well, I just need you to work 20 hours off the clock because what you do is a calling that's not. That's, that's not a sustainable calling and it's okay to push back and say, I am educating young minds or I am saving lives. 

And society as a whole says that children are our future and that we need to take care of nurses, but they need to put their effort and their time and their focus and their money where their mouth is. And not just. Leave people in positions where they are unsupported under the umbrella of calling. So that might be something interesting to look at in your own workplace and in your own industries. 

Am I running myself into the ground because I've been told, Oh, this place couldn't run without you. Or, what you do is such a gifted calling. If these are the words you're hearing around yourself, then your answer back needs to be, no place should run on the back of one person. We need to re look and re think how we do things. 

Because if I do burn out and end up in the hospital, this place is going to fall. have that succession plan and start training for it now. And second, if you're telling me that my work is a divinely inspired calling, that it needs to be at the top of your support list. And I think a lot of us have difficulty doing that. 

[00:34:14] Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And I, I think there's another, aspect of that kind of thing, of that sense of, You know, it's a calling or I'm in order to help. I'm supposed to be doing this. And, you know, mothering is one of the things that comes to me. And I think anyone who is caregiving and supporting, you know, supporting others in any kind of way, I really, I am so moved by what Samuel had said about the. 

 if it will fall down without you, it's not meant to stand. I think a lot of times we are so afraid that that it will fall that we're afraid that, well, maybe it won't stand without me and the fear of what would happen if that were to fall. 

And it may be a relationship. It may be, you know, watching, your child falter and fall. butit is really important that we allow others the opportunity to find their strength and to stand on their own. And if we don't, we're not doing them a service either. And when I was doing it, going through this chakra dance, um, heal your life one this was my third time I think through the entire chakra dance thing. 

And so there was lots of stuff still coming up, lots of deeper layers that we were getting to. And it said, I was doing the root chakra and the, I was dancing with the archetype of sacred mother and I, in the mandala that I created after the dance, I wrote, and this was really just sort of came through, it was almost like channeled from myself that, that was coming out and I wrote sacred woman bleeding out for all eternity. 

And I was like, whoa, I can't believe I just wrote that. and I wrote on the back, like, what does that mean? And it was this sense that that was what the feeling of mothering was for me, this sense that it's just, you're just going to bleed out for all eternity. And I was receiving these messages then of, That that's not how to mother and it was saying, you know, do not put up with anything that diminishes your power or your strength. 

Um, and so I'm going back and looking at the notes that I had made and I was saying, but how, do you do this? How do I be a You know this sacred mother this how do I be that and not just bleed? And the message was, you know, my my job is says what is it to be? You know, what is true mothering and it was to nurture that which grows and I'm like, well, how do you and I wrote? 

How do you? Nurture and not bleed And it said, do not take responsibility for the growing and it is connect and release and connect and release. And I had this image of like a seedling growing and that if you keep a structure around it, holding it up all the time, and then you take the structure away, it'll just flop over. 

 literally doesn't build the structures within itself in order to hold itself up. And so the best way to, to help to support a seedling as it's growing, you want some degree of kind of like scaffolding around it, but without completely holding it up. 

And I was given this image of kind of like having your hands around and connecting, with the child, connecting with the, this growing. Um, seedling and then taking your hands back for a time and allowing it to figure out how to study itself on its own and then putting your hands back and the message was connect and release. 

Connect and release and in the releasing part, really allowing the growing and the building of its own strength and respecting and allowing what needs to happen. And I was given to that idea that, Like seedlings, again, if they're grown in a room where there's no actual sun, it's just lights, and there, they don't, there's no wind, there's no air movement, they're much, much weaker. 

But when you, you do something called hardening them off, where you take these little seedlings and you set them outside, for a short period of time to have the actual strength of the sun and some wind but it's not you're sticking it all the way out there and you slowly build their way to where then you can put this outside and plant it in the garden and all of a sudden you can have a massive thunderstorm and it still holds up but that our job is not to hold the things up but to provide that connection and strength and then allowing it and that was It's a huge, huge thing for me. 

And it does, it takes, a letting go and there's a fear there, but we have to have the faith that it's going to find it on its own. And I see you writing, so funny because  

[00:39:34] Tava Baird: as you were doing that, Samuel's over here agreeing with you. This is what he said. Humans are frightened of the fall. Are there fallen angels? 

I'm like, Ooh, our own words back at us. He says, Humans are frightened of the fall. Are there fallen angels? Falling is not an end. It simply precedes another, often greater, rise. Do not be afraid to fall. It is mixed into a child's first steps. Without it, you will never walk, run, or fly. And if you think about that, when you look at a little child, they fall down, they giggle, they pull themselves back up, and they take more steps. 

I think we often forget to giggle. We're afraid if we fall. that everyone will look at us and we'll be embarrassed and mortified and we'll feel like a failure and they'll realize we aren't perfect. Nobody's perfect. But we want to give forth this impression that we are perfect and confident and we know what we're doing when we very frequently don't know what we're doing. 

I don't know what I'm doing most days, right?but If we can find a way to ourselves back up off the floor and giggle and stand up again, we will get to a point where we no longer fall as much. We just have to get over that idea that the fall is the end of us. 

[00:41:13] Jennifer Taylor: And, as a reminder , as we are finding that, strength. And as we are finding that faith and learning our worth and our boundaries, we can reach out to divine beings like Hecate and Samael and Archangel Michael and whatever aspect of the divine speaks to you and resonates with you and helps you to feel safe. 

I'd asked Archangel Michael, how do they ask for you or, what should they do? And he had just said, just say my name, call on me with a sincere heart and a willingness to do your part. And that was definitely, it was important that that be conveyed in a sense that You know, call on him anyway. 

Call on him when you don't have the willingness, when you still don't have the ability. he will still do everything that he can to help. And, as you do more of your parts, his presence can be that much more effective. And,  

he said we are all children of God and worthy of protection. And I will be with all those who allow it. I will not disrespect their wishes or their will, but if they ask, I will be there.  

[00:42:33] Tava Baird: I know we have to wrap up , but there is one more thing I wanted to share with you all. 

Um, there are gentle ways to say the word no, I know a lot of us think saying no is a dirty word. Um, and one of the things I had to learn in teaching was nice ways to say no, cause you just don't want to look at a kid and go, no. So one of the things that I like is no thank you, right? You're thanking people for the option they're offering you, but you can just very cheerfully say no. 

Thank you. And. If they continue to push, you just repeat, No, thank you. And another one is, that Doesn't work for me at this time. You're not saying no forever. Odds are they're probably not going to come back and bug you about it again. You're simply telling them, No at this time and for a lot of people. Oh, well, maybe I'll get you next time around Oh, maybe you'll be able to come next time, you know, and remember you don't this is one of the things That's really hard for me to do. 

You don't have to give a reason why you're saying no Thank you, you know, I always feel like I need to explain my whole life story Oh, I'm so sorry I can't come to that thing on Thursday. My great aunt is having tooth surgery and I have to drive her home from the dentist and blah, blah, blah. They don't need to know all that. 

They just want to know if you're coming or you can simply say, no, thank you. I'm busy. And it isn't really anybody's business why you're busy. No thank you. I'm busy. No, thank you. I can't do that at this time. You can even add, no, thank you. I can't do that at this time. I would really love to, but now is not a time that I can do it. 

Everyone knows that you have other obligations in your life. And just remember, and I know I'm reaching to the choir here because, boy, do I need to take My own advice is that one of those obligations is taking care of yourself.  

[00:44:30] Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. The most important obligation that you have is taking care of yourself. 

And that is a hard thing. thing for us to do and to recognize often. And as a, simple exercise that was taught to me that I've adjusted the words just a little bit, is that to say, before you go into anything, you know, going out into the world, going into the grocery store, into a meeting, whatever, you can just state, I am surrounded by the white light of divine energy. 

Through which only that which is in my highest good may penetrate. And or may enter and making a statement like that and imagine drawing this white light around you helps to give you this sense of I am surrounded by this divine energy and I'm only allowing that which is in my highest good to come in and it has kind of a dual effect in that it is both protective but it's also validating. 

Of yourself and by saying it, it's like, you know, only that which is in my highest good can be here. And so you're kind of validating yourself in that statement as well of I am only going to accept what is in my highest good. And I think that that can be something that's really beneficial. 

Have a little. Phrase or a little invocation that I have used in the past as well. That's Hecate, keeper of the keys, watcher of the roads, walker of the boundaries. Remind me of my worth.  

Oh, I like that. We can put these things in the show notes so that people can refer back to them. So they're, because I know that would be a lot, like I, I lost myself in trying to be able to keep up writing it down. 

So let's put those in there so that people can have something to refer to.  

[00:46:32] Tava Baird: That sounds great.  

[00:46:34] Jennifer Taylor: And there is definitely so much more to say about boundaries and balance that we only touched the surface today, but I'm sure they will continue to be interwoven into our conversations as they are so essential. 

[00:46:50] Tava Baird: Absolutely. And now it appears we have arrived at the boundary of this episode and we do help set up. The very permeable border of our sacred space, hoping that all of these words go through into your life with you. Perhaps Jen wouldn't mind singing us out. Absolutely. I will. And I will invite Sam Isle again to join me. That was a lovely experience. He is ready. I can tell he's sitting cross legged on the bed with his eyes closed like he's just waiting for you to start. I can't wait. I'm really curious to see if I can hear both of you during this.  

[00:47:37] Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, I am interested as well. ( singing) 

[00:49:33] Tava Baird: Um, i'm trying to remember the rhythm so you started singing and he gave it a little bit and then he was Speaking percussion. But the rhythm was like, 

 two, one, two, three one two One, two, one, two, three. He was saying words very quietly, like they were percussive to accompany you. And it went on shortly after you finished, but I don't know what was Aramaic. Oh, wow. He was saying something in Aramaic low, like, cause he has a very low voice. 

He's sitting here laughing now. He was saying something in Aramaic, almost like a chant, but it went to that rhythm. 1, 2, 1, 2, 3. I'm doing it too quickly. 1, 2, 1, 2, 3. And he started after you started singing, kept going all the way through. And then you stopped and he let it go like another 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 1, and it ended. 

It was really kinda cool! Wow. I don't want to call it angelic rapping, but that was, he was using words as percussion under what you did that was repetitive in the way he spoke them.  

[00:51:12] Jennifer Taylor: Would he be willing to tell us what those words were?  

He said, it is a prayer. A prayer for safety of those who listen. Thank you. 

[00:51:23] Tava Baird: I was so glad I had turned off my audio, because I was sitting here drumming along on the table, trying to remember the rhythm of what he was doing, so that I could tell you when you finished.  

[00:51:38] Jennifer Taylor: Oh, I'm so glad you did.  

[00:51:40] Tava Baird: It was, it's really neat because you had all of this very high ethereal, beautiful bringing in of the energy. 

And then it's like he was providing this grounding, low, like bass chant under it all.  

[00:52:00] Jennifer Taylor: Wow. And it was interesting. I heard a different sound in my ears. I was so hoping that the sound wasn't getting cut out because I didn't know if it was the AirPods or. But it was like a different, it wasn't the sound of, uh, Archangel Michael. 

[00:52:18] Tava Baird: It was like this almost electric. It was a very different sound in my ears. And I kept thinking, is, have, am I like shorting out are my AirPods about to explode? Or is this the sound of Samael like but it was, it was different.Oh my gosh, that was really cool. Like he was he was joining in but it was a whole different Part like he was trying to support your composition like he was trying to support what you were channeling in That was that was pretty wild.  

[00:52:49] Jennifer Taylor: That was amazing.  

[00:52:51] Tava Baird: Oh my goodness Well, thank you everybody for tuning in.  

 everyone out there walk safe, stay safe, remember your worth and, guard those boundaries.