Eating the Elements 3: Fire and Coyotes

In this episode, the hosts continue a conversation with Samael on the elements and unconventional forms of communication. The discussion delves into the nuances of language, specifically the significance of cadence, rhythm, and unique character speech patterns in writing. Samael provides insights into the element of fire, focusing on its transformative power and its role in balancing creation and destruction. The hosts also share personal experiences with coyotes and discuss the symbolism and energy of the trickster figure, emphasizing the importance of embracing change and unpredictability. Samael's guidance highlights the need to break free from routine, listen to subtle divine whispers, and remain open to non-verbal forms of communication. The episode ends with a song intended to resonate with the themes discussed.

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Tava Baird: tavabaird.com or https://darkflowerbooks.etsy.com.

Jennifer Taylor: Willow Ridge Reiki and Healing Arts https://www.willowridgereiki.com/

Transcript

Jennifer Taylor: [00:00:00] thank you for joining us once again for The continuation of this incredible conversation with Samael about the elements and a lot of other things as well. if you're just coming into this and you have not listened to the two previous episodes, I highly recommend that you do so that it will put all of this into context and it will make a lot more sense.

Jennifer Taylor: If not, totally okay. just know that if there's some unanswered questions you may want to go back.in this part of the conversation, we start with discussing language and communication and the various ways that communication comes through to us and the ways that it tends to shape our language. We also explore the element of fire as Samuel goes deeper into what it is that he wants to bring through for us about fire and how we can work with that in our lives and then also discusses The incredible gift and energy that is Coyote.

Jennifer Taylor: [00:01:00] we share an experience that, my husband and I and Tava all have had with coyotes just in the last few weeks. And the incredible messages that Samuel brought through about coyote medicine and how we can work with that as well. So I really hope that you enjoy this. again, we'll start with a song.

Jennifer Taylor: that came through just to help to bring us into a good resonant place for the conversation. And then the conversation will just start right in with where we left off last week. Enjoy. [00:02:00] [00:03:00]   

Tava Baird: 

Thank you so much for that song, Jen. So we were talking in the last episode about the importance of cadence and rhythm in speech, I don't think I realized how important rhythm and cadence were in my speaking, and in my speech, and writing until I was writing for others in novels. give you an example. 

Tava Baird: I went to [00:04:00] school, I had an A in English. I know you're not supposed to start sentences with and. I understand that. I understand that in editing myself, sentences should not start with the word and, but when I write, and I do it everywhere. .

Tava Baird: And I've had to tell editors, you can cross out all the ands, but I'm going to end up putting them back in because they're there for the flow of the way the speech sounds in my mind when I write it. so I have a character in my books named Alexander Scott and Alex, I didn't, I don't do this with any other character.

Tava Baird: He will end sentences with the word, so, like he'll say, I was just thinking about that. So that's the end. And it happens every so often. And I finally had somebody say, what the heck? And I said, that's the rhythm in which he speaks. If I take out those so's, it doesn't sound like him in my own head. [00:05:00] And I started to realize that each of these characters.

Tava Baird: As a rhythm that I perceive when I'm writing their speech, and if I try to eliminate it to make it more quote unquote correct grammatically, and when I try to do that to myself in the narrative with all those ands. It doesn't hit me the same way and it sounds wrong. And he's got all of these so's peppered all through his words and I have all of these ands.

Tava Baird: But when people go, I'm going to take that out. I go, no, no, no, no, no. That's going right back in. because to me, that rhythm of the character and how they express themselves and the rhythm and how I express myself is more important than the actual word choice. 

Jennifer Taylor: That's that's so interesting. And it's funny.

Jennifer Taylor: It's never I've never noticed the so ever when you said that, I was like, Really? And I mean, [00:06:00] I've read every word in all of your books and like hung on every word. And I never noticed the and starting sentence because it does. There is such a flow to your writing like it did just Yeah, there's just this amazing flow.

Jennifer Taylor: Something else that occurred to me when you were talking about that you're noticing more and more Different words are just filling in. I've noticed this about these, great teachers that, I really revere that are in very high vibration, other levels of consciousness a lot. And I feel like I started noticing the way that they speak, I know that they are very highly educated people, they are, I guarantee you, they also got A's in English, they know proper sentence structure.

Jennifer Taylor: They know how you know the proper conjugation of these different verbs and how to how to match those [00:07:00] things up. But when they're talking, and especially when they're really tapped in to these higher levels of consciousness, if somebody were listening to this, and I became aware of this, because somebody that I know, who's very much a skeptic, and The first to be looking at somebody to try to figure out if they're like a charlatan or they're, whatever,had heard one of these people speak that I highly revere.

Jennifer Taylor: And I know that his speech is filled with wisdom and there's an energetic transmission that comes through as he's speaking that is not tied to his proper conjugation of the verbs or whatever it is. But this person that I'm talking about that had heard him, it was like, He sounds like an idiot.

Jennifer Taylor: what is he talking about? he can't even use proper basic words. he sounds really uneducated and I realized also when I'm in that kind of space like I'm teaching Reiki or I'm in that space where I'm having to both verbally convey something [00:08:00] and being really open to bring stuff through.

Jennifer Taylor: There's more and more loose use of language, it's like different kinds of words Like,we'll try something I did the other day and Keith was still giving me a hard time about I took some word and turned it into a verb it's really creative use of language It's like you're taking a word.

Jennifer Taylor: That's normally a noun or An adjective and turning it into a verb or you're conjugating things in a weird way, but I started noticing this about a lot of these spiritual teachers that I'm close to and that there is a really different use of language. It's much more free. they're creating, making up new words, and you know exactly what they mean.

Jennifer Taylor: But if you really went through it and we're analyzing it and trying to pick them apart you would be like, that is not a word. you've used five things in this talk that are not words, 

Tava Baird: exactly. 

Jennifer Taylor: [00:09:00] But there is this transmission and it's funny. I wonder, I feel like maybe some of that is that one, I guess we're probably not using the part of our brain that logical kind of part of our brain when we're tapped into this higher consciousness.

Jennifer Taylor: So the trying to use that everything's a little bit more kind of blurry, almost in that sense.so we're, grasping for things as the concreteness of words is really challenging to use as you're bringing through something so much greater than words, but it's more about the energy that's being transmitted is just shaping things in a different way than it would if you were planning, a dissertation for your college professor or something.

Tava Baird: But it's so 

Jennifer Taylor: interesting. I've noticed 

Tava Baird: that 

Jennifer Taylor: so 

Tava Baird: much. I've totally noticed that too. Samuel wants to chime in. There is no punctuation in the spirit, umshalah.I've totally noticed that too. And I'd like to point [00:10:00] out, William Shakespeare invented hundreds of words. Because he was writing an iambic pentameter, and a lot of times the word that fit where he wanted it to fit didn't fit, or he needed to convey a word that wasn't there.

Tava Baird: If you look it up, it's like well over 200 words that are in our modern language today that were invented by Shakespeare and did not exist before he put them into one of his plays or sonnets. That's fantastic. He just made them up. He just made up the word. And it's funny because I get teased all the time because I do sound effects.

Tava Baird: My husband does it too, whereI'll be talking to someone and I'll say, you know, and then it was, you know, like I'm using sound effects as words and I get teased about it a lot, but I'm like, sometimes there isn't a word for what you're trying to say. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And you convey so much with that sound [00:11:00] and the visual that also is created by that sound then.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, trying to articulate it. 

Tava Baird: It's funny to edit the podcast at times, and I don't know if you've noticed this, but I know I definitely have. The more out there we get, the more our language starts to break down sometimes in the podcast where, you know, when we're just saying, good morning, gente, you know, and all of that, it's, or we're filling somebody in on a story that happened in the past.

Tava Baird: Once we start getting into these deep discussions. Suddenly, there has to be a lot more editing because we're grasping for words and you hear the um and the you knows start to come out a lot more frequently. There was one I was editing and it was something you said a while ago and it was like, It's like four lines and it was a really deep thought and it was like four lines and none of the phrases were finished and I was like, Oh my God, I know exactly what she meant here.

Tava Baird: How do I edit this [00:12:00] so that it comes out in one minute. coherent thing because it was so off the charts metaphysical that it was hard to get it out at first and then you were trying to It's like translating from a different language when you're in the heat of the moment. And it's like, I have to get this down into English.

Tava Baird: What I really need is a word that means a feeling that I can't, that there is no word for that I 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, it's that was it Tantra and Sutra like the the experience of that which is inarticulable and the attempt to articulate that which is inarticulable. I feel like we're in that space so much.

Jennifer Taylor: I know we've talked about, and we will definitely talk about this in the future, The telepathy tapes podcast, which absolutely everybody go out and listen to that right away. Talk about expanding your mind and putting in new thoughts and ideas. My, our world is [00:13:00] filled with air right now.

Jennifer Taylor: Thanks to this podcast. But one of the things that and you'll understand what I mean if you listen to this, one of the non speaking individuals had conveyed telepathically was that It's, they said something like, it's like trying to suck an elephant through a straw.

Jennifer Taylor: Trying to take all of the information that they're trying to convey, like they're on this much, much higher level of consciousness because they can, they communicate telepathically and they were saying, when you communicate telepathically, you can deliver that whole experience, all of the energy and all of the richness and the fullness of The of everything that you're trying to get across, you can just deliver it just in one giant package.

Jennifer Taylor: But then when you have to try to turn that into words and language, it's like sucking, trying to suck an elephant through a straw. And I thought that was [00:14:00] so brilliant. I was like, it is, it's that having to articulate and, one of the things they were saying was that, It's not like they don't need to learn to speak, we need to learn to communicate telepathically the way they do, because the communication is so much more full and rich.

Jennifer Taylor: And, yeah, I feel like that's totally what happens when we start getting really expanded and all this information starts coming in. we end up sounding, I listen to myself sometimes, I sound like a complete idiot, but it's that I'm trying to suck an elephant through a straw andit's just coming out and there's lots of, completely, unfinished sentences and things.

Jennifer Taylor: And I was thinking the other day on the way here, I was like, I need to slow down, force myself to slow down because the energy gets so high and the vibration gets so high and the speed at which the information is coming in is so quick that I'm trying to then convey it in that same speed, [00:15:00] which leads to 10, 000 ums and you knows that have to be edited.

Jennifer Taylor: I was like, if we just took a breath, that would help. 

Tava Baird: it's also funny because, as I'm sitting here trying to write down. Samael, right? When I can just hear him, and it's just words, it's much easier. When I actually witness him speaking, he does gestures. When he's talking that I don't have words for but there's a meaning for it I'll give you an example This piece on air just now.

Tava Baird: Okay, so he did the eat the air at the time blah blah blah blah And then he says, stand in the storm, sing to the gale. Okay, that was the first time he used the word sing.

Tava Baird: Then he continues to speak. And then when he goes back. To the topic of singing when he says, and sing, [00:16:00] sing at the top of your lungs, he did this little gesture. of course you can't see it on a podcast, but it will be on YouTube, but he does this little thing with his hands frequently when he is going back.

Tava Baird: To hit a previous word and expand on it. So the first time in that passage that he said the word sing, he simply said it. Then when he comes back and says sing again, he frequently goes like this, which I think is supposed to be, I'm connecting to a previous. Thought to go more in depth with it. But when I don't have a way to convey Now he's doing the weird L gesture with his hands he's trying to tell me that this section of singing is a subset of his previous Mention of singing.

Tava Baird: He's not simply using a repetitive word choice She's taking us back a moment and it's this weird thing that he does, but I don't have a word for what that is. So I struggle a lot of times to convey or I find myself [00:17:00] when I'm reading him having to stop and go, he's laughing or he's doing something because whatever he'll do things with his eyes.

Tava Baird: That will show me whether he is serious or posing a question, and I don't have a word for weird eye thing number four that, that allows me to give context to the words that are coming out. But yeah, this little gesture happens a lot, and it's usually when he's using a word for the second time in some sort of brief teaching.

Tava Baird: Like, please refer back to my previous sing, now I will speak on it more. But I don't know what to call that. Right. And so, yeah, I worry a lot of times I'm not getting across. Everything, because when I can physically see him, there's so much more than just the words going on. And that happens when you're writing, too, is, you have a paragraph where a character is saying something, and then at the end, they [00:18:00] raise their eyebrow.

Tava Baird: Well, they had a million expressions going on. Not just the one eyebrow, but you have to pick the most poignant one and put it down, but you're losing so much of the communication that we do that is, is visual. So 

Jennifer Taylor: yeah. And there we go. 

Tava Baird: Look, I just ended a sentence with, so 

Jennifer Taylor: now I'm doing, it was just the right flow.

Tava Baird: So 

Jennifer Taylor: the, it's interesting too, I'm sure. And I've heard, becauseI hear you talk about him so often and you're so blessedly, conveying so many things to me from him in our just daily life, that it does, it makes such a difference, the sharing, his experiences. His tone of voice or the types of things but I also recognize like you'll bring through the exact words And then you'll explain it a little bit and it's like you're not just receiving the words there's this other level of transmission that contains the energy and the [00:19:00] essence of that and if somebody were to just read the words It would be very easy to assume it means something else or assume he's talking about something else, but you'll add I know I have this feeling or I have this image of this, or, you know, there's a, this, these other sensory, inputs that come in that help you to know exactly how he means it, that couldn't possibly, you couldn't possibly have gotten from just the words that he had said.

Tava Baird: There's a big difference when I see him he has Two poses that we sort of rely on a lot of times he will sit with one foot up on the other knee and kind of sit back. And that's the I'm sort of going to say it pontificating Samuel where he's just sort of letting you know the way it is.

Tava Baird: But then there are times when he leans forward. And it's like the elbows on the knees, very invested, [00:20:00] unbroken eye contact. You need to understand this. And even though the words that he's saying might not be different, there's a whole different meaning conveyed how he stands there.

Tava Baird: a lot of times when Samael appears, I will hear him before I see him. And he seems to love corners a lot. He will often be arms folded when he shows up. In a corner of a room leaning against something and then whether he stays leaning or starts to move forward and stand up is you're about to get two different experiences.

Tava Baird: 1 is just I'm listening and I'm making commentary and I'm letting you know I am here and the other 1 is I am about to be very active. so sometimes I go, Whoa, because of what I'm seeing versus okay, he's here and he's just, you know, picking back and offering observations, but there aren't words for that unless I stop and [00:21:00] describe every pose.

Tava Baird: And then that gets in the way of the words that I do have. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And I know weTalk about this so much the limitations of words. And I've had so many little epiphanies that in the moment I'm like, this is so clear and I know I'm going to, and then I lose it again. 

Jennifer Taylor: Michael comes through me in sound and song and music and movement, and those are not easy things to translate into words. it's like I will need to do, some. kind of divination, like some clarity. I need answers about something. And it's frustrating sometimes because I'm like, I just need you to talk to me like Samuel talks to you.

Jennifer Taylor: Like, I just need some actual words. But I'm starting to understand. And I think the telepathy tapes have really helped me to understand this so much. That it's like it, it's helping me to get more of the,I am receiving. [00:22:00] a full package of all of the information. It's just that my need to translate it into words is the problem.

Jennifer Taylor: And translate it into thoughts is the problem. And I'm really trying to embrace the it is a complete transmission. And if I can just Live with and sit in that energy and the vibration without trying to translate it then into a thought that has words or something concrete that that's how I'm being moved to work, that's how I'm being shown to work, and that's how I really get it.

Jennifer Taylor: it's such a challenging thing, and I think there are probably so many people out there who are experiencing their guides in this kind of way. Where I just get this feeling, or this presence, or this sound in my ears, or, I need to bring through this song, but, if I had [00:23:00] to translate what I'm seeing in my third eye,seeing in my inner awareness that's translating into how I know to make certain sounds and emotions, if I had to turn that into words, It would be just a general mess.

Jennifer Taylor: There's no way. But I think that, that wisdom from the, the autistic non speaking individuals who are communicating, through something called spelling, the things that they're bringing through really shows that, that limitation. And I need to stop trying to suck the elephant through a straw and Just sit with that and understand it really is information and live in that and learn to live from that place, not having to put everything into words.

Tava Baird: Yeah. Um, semi, I'll actually says here, the majority of the angelic beings communicate in music movement, song or touch, but I have a foot in [00:24:00] a different world. So he's the anomaly, I guess, or one of the anomalies. 

Jennifer Taylor: And it's so funny because, you know, that's the anomaly. And yet I think the majority of people, if they are like, okay, I'm listening.

Jennifer Taylor: I want my guide to speak to me. They're expecting words and it, the vast majority then are, are communicating in these other ways. And they're thinking, well, nobody's speaking to me. I don't have a guide. Nobody's paying attention to me because I'm not getting any words. And I think really learning to, to accept those different forms of communication is clearly really important for us because otherwise we're not getting it.

Jennifer Taylor: And I love, love, love what he said about us taking those. I think he said whispers and responding as though they were like shouting. And I don't think I'm getting either of those words exactly, but that's 

Tava Baird: just when the divine [00:25:00] whispers respond as if it is a roar, 

Jennifer Taylor: a roar. I love that. Yeah. So, and that.

Jennifer Taylor: That's what I'm, I teach all the time in the Reiki that I was just trying to, to get across to another new, a class brand new Reiki practitioners is that it will feel like the most tiny, subtle, little impulse to just move your hands over here, or go to the feet or do something, but it is, it is almost imperceptible for a lot of peoplethey're already really intuitive and they're used to responding as though it were a roar and then it feels like a roar to them.

Jennifer Taylor: When they get something, it's like, Oh, I had to go here. I know what I'm doing, but when A lot of people are first getting their first taste of getting communication and direction and inspiration, from the divine or these other realms. It's, it feels like this tiny, [00:26:00] like the quietest whisper, just the slightest hint.

Jennifer Taylor: And that's, then you start, convincing yourself that's not real. And I didn't really feel that. And why am I doing it? I'm constantly saying you get that little impulse and you act on it, the impulses start getting stronger and then it starts feeling and eventually you will sometimes get roars because you have listened and it, it almost feels like the other side, the, the side that is sending this stuff goes, yes.

Jennifer Taylor: Okay. She did it. now I'm going to say it a little bit louder and it was like, it opens that it sticks that foot in the door and then you pry it open a little bit more every time you act on those things that there's little inspirations and nudges. And then before you know it, you do have things where I'm like, I can't not sing.

Jennifer Taylor: I think you were talking about at the very beginning before we even started and Samuel was saying, is she going to sing? And I was like, I could sing. Say I'm not going to, but there's, you know, I would not have the [00:27:00] ability because the impulse would get so strong. I would be like, yeah, well, I said I wasn't, but I'm going to explode if I don't, so 

Tava Baird: I don't know if I told this story, I might have told it a few weeks ago because it really struck me.

Tava Baird: my friend Mark, and Mark listens to the podcast, so Mark, I hope you don't mind that I'm using your story. Hi Mark. Um, hi Mark. But he was talking about being in the woods and he has a sit spot, you know, a place you go and sit and get in touch with nature. And it was a very windy day and he was out, sitting in a sit spot and I hope I'm telling this correctly because anyway, this is what I got from it.

Tava Baird: So he was sitting in the sit spot and the wind was picking up and he felt like I need to move. And he got up and took a couple of steps away and then this massive tree fell onto his sit spot and like huge tree just came down. And he left me, Marco, afterwards and he's like, I am shaking he could have been there a few minutes later.

Tava Baird: A lot of times I think what we're waiting for from our guides is something on the [00:28:00] scale of tree falling. But what you have to remember is the guide is actually that little voice beforehand that says, maybe you should move now, Mark, before the tree hits you. Right. it's that feeling, it's that impulse, it's the, oh, the wind is picking up a little bit here.

Tava Baird: And if you do. Trust it and move. You will be on a completely different path than being crushed by a giant tree. So, listen for that whisper before the tree falls. I think a lot of times You know, I wrote a book about Samuel showing up the first time and it sounds like it's this huge momentous event because it is a huge momentous event in my life.

Tava Baird: But they don't all sound or move like he does. He has a very specific goal here and like I've said before, I'm basically his secretary. Okay. I'm the secretary that he lets off work for a couple of hours to do a podcast. but the thing is,they [00:29:00] don't all talk like that.

Tava Baird: They don't all convey like that. And I've even encountered other people who have had experiences with Samuel and it's interesting because they'll say, when you talk it feels like him. Sometimes their experiences were a little bit more of on the emotional feeling level than necessarily. Apparently he's quite chatty with me in particular because he knows I'll write it all down.

Tava Baird: just keep in mind that sometimes it's, you know, a lot of times the divine is a whisper, but then respond as with the same level of magnitude as though a tree was falling near you. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. I love that. And it's interesting too, because We were talking about air and the wind, I remember when you were telling me that story because I realized I think you told me that story in a Marco and not on a podcast.

Jennifer Taylor: I feel like the wind had picked up and there was this sense of I need to move. And so often, the wind is an [00:30:00] indicator of spirit. like the wind will pick up and it's like an acknowledgement from spirit that I'm listening and I'm aware or you're on the right track or it's a move or it's an energy.

Jennifer Taylor: But I think it's interesting that the wind was bringing that in and we're talking about air. 

Tava Baird: Awesome. Now I do have what he said on fire during the break. Do you want me to go ahead and go on to that? Yeah. All right. if you remember, he said, fire is change, routine can be comforting, but it can also congeal and turn one's blood to stone, fire and heat, heat and fire are the remedy.

Tava Baird: There must be a balance between creation and destruction. And without. Occasional destruction. The room to grow is stifled. What have you held on to for [00:31:00] too long? What has not proved its worth? Feed it to the fire. Send it to the flames. Find the thing in your life that sticks like a thorn in your consciousness and ask, will it burn?

Tava Baird: And then what comes next will appear. The learning to live without. When you are heavy, contained, and cannot live with deliberation, ignition is the key. When the smoke clears. You are forever changed. Thinking in a new way, your perspective has shifted, and you may find your burdens lighter. I don't know if anybody here has, is a Thoreau fan. Um, Walden, I know a lot of us were assigned to read it [00:32:00] in high school. one of the most famous lines from Walden is Henry David Thoreau saying, I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately. He, uh, and Ralph Waldo Emerson, had the same.

Tava Baird: concepts, but Ralph Waldo Emerson said it in a really beautiful way and Thoreau actually Practiced it and sometimes said it in a way wasn't quite as graceful, but it was the same philosophy this idea that We surround ourselves with so many items and things and also so many we carry so many internal burdens and That, we can sometimes be scared to let them go, because who am I without my things?

Tava Baird: What will it make room for?will I be able to be welcoming to it? There's a great part in Walden where Thoreau has this cottage in the woods with basically nothing in it. To make room, to try to [00:33:00] leave all the possessions behind and just have what he needs to survive.

Tava Baird: And it's like day two or three, and he goes out walking in the woods and he finds a couple of stones. And he brings them back to the cabin and then he immediately realizes, Oh my god, I'm starting to create knickknacks.I'm already filling this up. even if it's just with stones.

Tava Baird: And he says, I threw the, I don't have the wording right, but he says, I threw the stones out the window because I realized they had need of dusting. Like eventually he was going to have to dust that. And then the having to deal with all of this, dusting and arranging and moving that it was getting in the way of.

Tava Baird: of what else he could be using his brain and his soul for during that time instead of dusting. And so he chucks the suckers back out the window into nature. And so I think occasionally we need to, Samuel's talking about sitting down and looking around us and saying, what do I have that's in need of dusting [00:34:00] that really isn't serving me and it isn't necessarily bringing anything to my life and can I chuck it out the window?

Tava Baird: Can I set fire to it? what is that thing that's constantly in my head that I keep thinking of getting rid of, but maybe I'm afraid to get rid of it because I'm so used to it being there. I'm so used to operating as though it's there. What might it make room for if I'm brave enough to let it ignite and send it back into the energetic cycle and, then we may find our burdens lighter.

Jennifer Taylor: one of the. The things that came to me when you were reading that was that it feels somewhat like, so I know I've told you, shared with you that Keith and I have had some major coyote encounters lately and you and I then had a coyote. Oh yes. [00:35:00] I'm on the way home from the barn. She's on the way home from town and we are approaching each other from opposite directions not knowing at the time that we were approaching each other because we're just on this little, Single lane.

Jennifer Taylor: It doesn't actually even have a dividing line little road, and we're approaching each other in this huge coyote in the middle of the day, goes running across in between us. And then we approach and I realize it was you on the other side of this coyote. And so I'm actually leaving her a Marco at the time and I'm like, Whoa, coyote.

Jennifer Taylor: Oh my gosh. And that's you. And then Samuel went on this. Long thing about the meaning of coyote and, what coyote was coming to teach us. And it was really profound. And one of the things that struck me when he was talking about, fire and how habit can be comforting and helpful and beneficial.

Jennifer Taylor: But too much of [00:36:00] that can be stifling and turn our blood to stone. And I was thinking that reminds me of some of the things that he had told us about the energy of coyote. It's like coyotes leap the fences and, the hedgerows and, roam free Throughout the mountains and don't follow the rules.

Jennifer Taylor: they're outside of that and that there's this necessary Element of that breaking out of that breaking out of the routine Doing something different and it actually it feels like there's I'm feeling this undercurrent beneath All of the elements so far that we've talked about where, the earth of like getting outside and beyond and feeling that space and then the air and he was talking about, sit somewhere out, choose a different seat to get a different perspective, see things differently and part of his, messages to us were go somewhere you don't find yourself in places.

Jennifer Taylor: Actually, you know [00:37:00] what, I'm going to have to find that last text because It was, so bless her heart, Tava is like getting ready to leave for for Mermagicon that she was talking about and then I'm like, oh my gosh, Coyote, like there has to be something major and then Samael comes in and has like page after page after page of text, so she's just sending me all these texts, which was amazing, and he said, do as he does.

Jennifer Taylor: change your routine, and go to places you never expected yourself to be. And watch the manifestation of the unpredictable divine. And I thought that was just so perfect. And it sounds like so much like that would bring in that element of air of that, changing things up.

Jennifer Taylor: And then the energy of fire that he's talking about of breaking out of some of those routines and adding, bringing in that space. what do we need to burn to [00:38:00] release? To, allow ourselves the freedom to change and shift and I just kept thinking I cannot seem to shake the idea that Coyote,all of the messages of Coyote that came through him and what feels like some undercurrents of all of what he's telling us about the elements.

Tava Baird: I'm so glad you brought that up because I didn't even make the connection. I didn't even think about that. I also think Samaya himself is a little bit of an unconventional dude, if you can call a seraphim a dude, if you look at him in all the old texts, he's both described as an angel and a seraphim, but then because of his association with Lilith, he's also described as like the king of demons 

Tava Baird: And so he has this, a lot of what he embodies, I think, is this concept of I am not easily defined and that people who necessarily try to say, [00:39:00] When you belong to one realm, or you belong to this group, or you belong to this race, or you belong to this particular strain, of energetic practice, he always tries to encourage us to think outside of those definitions and to remind ourselves that, as humans, we very much like to put things in boxes.

Tava Baird: It makes us feel safe. We like to know what to call things. We like to have the right word. And we like to know when we're approaching something exactly how it should be addressed and dealt with. But what he likes to point out is that we are natural divine beings, and that's not how nature and the divine work.

Tava Baird: That we can't have all the answers before we approach something. And that no matter how much we think we've put something in a box, that's when something's going to pop out the other side. And that our sense of control is illusionary. And the more that we [00:40:00] embrace that, the more we allow the wildness of ourselves to come through.

Tava Baird: it was funny because, so I was at MermagicCon the other day, and this woman came into my booth, and the way that I had the booth set up, like my novels were down the left side, but the book of Samael and my introductory book on witchcraft and I think the bone book were right next to me.

Tava Baird: And she came into the booth, and she was actually an artist. author and she wanted to do the event the following year and she was kind of wanting to meet other authors there and talk a little bit about her book and find out, you know, just kind of. figure out what she should do the next year. And within a couple moments of us speaking, she had this look on her face, and she said, Well, I, I'm a very Christian person, which, of course, you talked to me for two minutes, and you realize that, I'm, I completely respect Christianity, and I think it's lovely.

Tava Baird: That's not what I am. And if you come into my booth, oh, [00:41:00] God, like, in between the Egan Poppets and the spell kits. And the, you know, metaphysical books, like, that's not. That's not sort of the realm that I am proficient in. And what was really funny was, um, she, and she looked down and she saw the book of Samuel and she said, what was that?

Tava Baird: And I said, Have you heard of him? And she said, I think I've heard the name. And you know, and I thought, okay, how am I going to sum him up in a sentence for someone who was already looking sort of terrified. And I said, 

Tava Baird: He's my teacher, He's my teacher and he belongs in more than one world. And I, and I was straight up with her. I said, um, some people say he is a seraphim and among the highest of angels and others want to put him in the category of he belongs to the darkness sort of thing, you know?

Tava Baird: And again, she looked like she'd forgotten how to breathe. [00:42:00] And I said, but here's the important thing. He wants to remind you that you don't have to be any one thing and that you are perfect and divine the way you are. And a few minutes later she left and I looked at my friend Kathy who was in the booth with me and I said, well, I never expected my first sale of the day to be the introductory witchcraft book and the book of Samael, who's someone who walked into the booth saying, Oh, I don't know about this stuff.

Tava Baird: I'm very, very Christian. But those were the two things that she felt that she wanted to take with her. And so, everybody wants to know more and everybody wants to grow in these different ways. And even though she walked into the booth and said, this is not for me, I'm just here because you're an author and I'm an author.

Tava Baird: And frankly, this book looks like it makes me nervous. She left with it a few minutes later. She actually came back to the booth later in the day and asked for a selfie with me, And so He wants to remind us that just because at first glance, [00:43:00] something isn't for you doesn't mean that you might not.

Tava Baird: It might be for you and that was something that I got even walking around the market with him and guess what I now guess is our last podcast, that this preconceived notion we have of this isn't for me. It's all for us. All of it. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And it was interesting. I was thinking maybe it would be good.

Jennifer Taylor: I have all the texts pulled up on my phone. I could read what he said about coyote because. it's so pertinent to what it is that we're talking about. 

Tava Baird: Will you also tell the story about coyote that happened a few days earlier on your property? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. So they don't 

Tava Baird: know that.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. So, Keith and I and our youngest daughter were actually, I was sitting up at the window, which is what we do. Like every morning we have a little,Table there that's up at the height of the window and barstool so that we can just look out in the mornings And so I was sitting there and having matcha and looking out and I'm like, what is that?

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, so we're watching and there was a group of deer [00:44:00] down in the back, like a large group of deer. And then all of a sudden the deer just freaked out. One of them freaked out so much it ran straight into the trampoline that was in our neighbor's yard. And we were like, what in the world? I mean, they were standing right near it.

Jennifer Taylor: how did it suddenly forget there was a trampoline there and just smash into it and ran up? And so we were like, what is going on? And then looked. And I'm looking down in this natural area that has like higher grass than like the, let's just be on like the mown lawns where the deer were and like, is that, and it was just the, the presence of it was incredible.

Jennifer Taylor: It was huge and it was colored like a wolf. It had this very wolf,like this grays and blacks and, um. Had like some, some white and this real bluish kind of color to it. And it was this massive coyote. And it was gorgeous. it [00:45:00] had just this presence about it. Of I am here and I know who I am and it was just walking and it was watching the deer and then it laid down in this very dog like kind of pose, almost sphinx like kind of pose, just laid there and was watching and looking and then got up and started walking up.

Jennifer Taylor: The up our yard right at the edge, the border between our yard and the neighbor's yard, which is really just like one interrupted field. it just came up and walked right up between our houses and then came back down and went diagonally across our neighbor's yards.

Jennifer Taylor: But it just throughout the whole thing and like somebody let out their dog and it was, barking and going crazy within the fenced in yard, but he was just on the other side. And it was still just good looking kind of like, huh. Yeah, well, I think I'll just walk around over here, but like, not disturbed by anything.

Jennifer Taylor: Cars were going by, things were happening. And it made such an impression. Like the energy of this coyote [00:46:00] was incredible. And it was the picture of health. And it was just at dawn, the sun was just coming up and that night. And so we were both like, okay, that is significant. I mean, I've sat here.

Jennifer Taylor: We've now lived here for 10 years and I've sat at that window. Nearly every morning and I'm constantly looking for new wildlife like that and never seen one. We've heard them. For years. We knew that they were here, but we've never seen them. And so we're, we just kind of sat with like, all right, there's something, there's something about that.

Jennifer Taylor: This is clearly a message. And then that night we were taking our daughter into the room and she goes to sleep in our bed. And then we kind of wake her up a few minutes later and half sleepwalker into her bed. And I'm laying there and I'm thinking, All right, is it time? Is she fully asleep?

Jennifer Taylor: Is it time to like, wake her up and move her in? And I kept getting this sense of kind of like, not yet, not yet. But [00:47:00] it was a bigger sense. It felt bigger than, you know, am I going to disrupt her? Is she going to wake up too soon or something? And then all of a sudden, there was this whoosh, like feel, like energetic feeling that was like, now.

Jennifer Taylor: And so I get up andlet my husband know, okay, yep, it's time. And we go in. And her bedroom is in the front of the house, and I could hear this coyote, right outside the front door. Like right outside the front of our house, barking and then howling and barking and howling. it was so loud and so clear that I'd finally, and thankfully she did not wake up enough to hear that.

Jennifer Taylor: And I'd go in the other room and My husbandlooked out the front and he said it was sitting right in the field, like right in front of our house, just head back, just howling and howling and howling. And then we, once we noticed it, then it came and it walked right towards the house and just [00:48:00] straightened down the road, like right in the middle of the road, right in the middle of the road, just right down the road.

Jennifer Taylor: And we were just blown away. It was like, this has to be like, this is about the most clear. sign. Like, what does this mean? But we were still having a hard time figuring it out. The one thing that really occurred to me, though, was that it was using its voice and it was singing and the fact it was like right out in the front of the yard and that it was it's like it was singing and A lot of times people will say with spirit guides and omens and things like that in your backyard tends to have to do with maybe how something is showing you to live in your personal life.

Jennifer Taylor: And then in your front, if something showing up in your front yard might have something to do with how you're meant to be out in the world. And I thought it was really interesting that it moved from the back Then and then by that night, it was out sitting using its voice right in front [00:49:00] of our house, like right in the field just across the street.

Jennifer Taylor: I was really close. So yeah, so we of course left Tava Marco and we're like, Oh my gosh, coyote energy really strong. And then we come and then we were gone for a few days and we come back. And I think it was like the day we came back that the coyote ran between us. And it was like, All right, What is going on?

Jennifer Taylor: And this clearly involves you, too, if it ran. I mean, how you even managed to orchestrate something like that, where the timing of the two of us approaching each other, not having any idea that we were doing that from opposite 

Tava Baird: directions, same road, and not like it was like It couldn't have been the exact same one.

Tava Baird: I mean, you live miles from me. Oh, no. 

Jennifer Taylor: And that one looked completely different too. Yes. So that one was very light brown, tannish white kinds of colors. And yeah, and the one that we saw looked so wolf like in its coloration. 

Tava Baird: Yes. It was [00:50:00] really, it was, yeah, and it was just funny because I just listened to the Marco about it, I think the day before, and then I was like, Oh my God, is that, 

Jennifer Taylor: there it goes.

Jennifer Taylor: it was huge. So yeah, so she's getting ready then to go to Mermagicon and, it's like, all right, what is going on? And she said he started chuckling and he said, spring is coming, Omshala, did I not tell you? Because he keeps telling us that We need to rest up because in the spring, it's going to get crazy.

Jennifer Taylor: Like stuff is going to start coming in and all these songs are going to start coming in and all this stuff is going to start moving. And so we're like, oh boy,And he says, a new guide has arrived. He runs the mountains without boundaries or fences. And there is joy in his stride.

Jennifer Taylor: Why is the trickster important, Umshala? What purpose does he serve? Think on this, and on why he is [00:51:00] necessary and celebrated. He is play. He is laughter. He jumps the fences or roots out the posts. He refuses to be one thing. He is transformation. He is shape shifting. He speaks to all. There is a reason he appears in all the old tales, regardless of tribe or place.

Jennifer Taylor: He is the beginning of the story, the genesis for learning and accomplishment. He is a fundamental truth. Without his chaos, the world stagnates and dies. The trickster loves and plies his trade without regard for race, power, or societal norm. He is the flaw in the design, the spot in the armor where the [00:52:00] arrow may penetrate.

Jennifer Taylor: He dances outside the lines. He causes invention and revolution to occur. Good trouble, Umshala. He is good trouble. He topples kings and makes their gods look over their shoulder. Oh, sorry. I need to say that again. He is good trouble. He topples kings and makes the gods look over their shoulder. And at their roots, they adore him.

Jennifer Taylor: Do as he does, change your routine, and go places you never expected yourself to be. And watch the manifestation of the unpredictable divine.

Jennifer Taylor: So yeah, I just had to, I had to share that. I kept thinking, I kept hearing bits of his words about the coyote [00:53:00] and that energy throughout all these things. I was like, all right, I've got to share that. 

Tava Baird: It is very timely with what we're talking about today. 

Jennifer Taylor: It is. So water,is the only element we have not covered, correct?

Jennifer Taylor: Water, he has not 

Tava Baird: spoken on this yet. I have a nod, uh, would you like to ? sing Maybe because you know that helps everything through and that will be like with the last one was going to be our opening song. But then it turned out to be an elemental song. So I don't know if this song will become an opening song.

Tava Baird: or closing song or something entirely different. We are in Cinnabon territory, people. We're aiming for JCPenney and we don't know where we are now. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. So I will do that. And, If what comes through seems like it is not the opening song, if an opening song comes, I'll just go ahead and while I'm hooked up, I'll just go for that one too.

Jennifer Taylor: And it'll give you plenty of time to write. 

Tava Baird: Oh my god, it was so funny listening to you read [00:54:00] that whole coyote thing because frequently when he talks and I'm texting you, like I just text and I don't really remember a lot of it. And so to hear you read it back, I'm like, 

Jennifer Taylor: huh. 

Tava Baird: I don't remember typing. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, he said that, huh?

Jennifer Taylor: And I also tend to go back and read it and re read it and re read it and like, really Digest the words, so it's very much emblazoned in my mind. 

Tava Baird: All right. 

Jennifer Taylor: 

Jennifer Taylor: Thank you for joining us and continuing this conversation with us. We will continue this conversation next week as we discuss water and delve more deeply into that. But we wanted to leave you with a closing song to just bring you into a nice, balanced, harmonious place. And so we hope that you enjoy, and we look forward to connecting with you again next week. [00:55:00] [00:56:00] [00:57:00] [00:58:00]