Samael has, "Much To Say On Souls" Part 1

With an improvisational and candid start, this episode is off and running from the first seconds!  Before they could even hit 'record' Samael began speaking, and Jenn began receiving songs. The episode retains a lighthearted and humorous tone, amidst heavy and profound topics, making it accessible and engaging for listeners.  Samael shares insights into the nature of souls, explaining concepts such as fragmented souls, the interconnectedness of the soul to the divine, the role of the ego and more.  Tava shares her experiences using Jenn's Sacred Soothing track to soothe agitated souls, and they discuss the role of spiritually attuned music in creating sacred spaces and aiding in communication across the veil. The conversation continues next week but is brought to a close by a soul of grounding.

Resources:

access Sacred Soothing track on repeat :

scroll down - it is the track just under "Peace and Release"

https://www.willowridgereiki.com/recordings

Just for fun - the game Jenn mentioned is called, Worst Case Scenario 

Thank you joining us today, remember to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE to keep up to date with your tribe.

Connect with your Hosts!

Tava Baird: tavabaird.com or https://darkflowerbooks.etsy.com.

Jennifer Taylor: Willow Ridge Reiki and Healing Arts https://www.willowridgereiki.com/

Transcript

Samael has "Much to Say on Souls"

Tava Baird: [00:00:00] God, the energy, 

Jennifer Taylor: I just started recording. 

Tava Baird: This is, oh, um, 

Jennifer Taylor: yeah, go right ahead. Take your time. Hold on. 

Tava Baird: Lemme just write this down real quick and then we'll do our intro. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh my God. Take your time. 

I am already getting song. 

Tava Baird: Oh my God. This is off to the races. 

Jennifer Taylor: I know. So I'm thinking, it might help This come through anyway if you want so I don't forget it. Start singing and then we'll put it together. 

Tava Baird: I also have to tell you, I got woken up by Samuel requesting a certain song from you this morning or on a topic I have not even gotten to tell you about it.

I should have mentioned it on the Marco in the car. I got awakened by him today already talking about how you were going to be singing and he was looking forward to it and I was like, dude, I am not awake and he said he wanted a song [00:01:00] of teaching. And I said, aren't all of the songs kind of about teaching?

And he said, no, I want a song of my teaching. And I was like, okay, I will let her know and we'll go from there. So if you can keep the idea of a teacher and a student in mind, perhaps someone imparting wisdom or technique to another, I don't know how you would do that. 

Jennifer Taylor: I, after I sing this, because the, the tune is so clear that I feel like that may be what it is.

But I have to share then with you what I just experienced at the end of the reiki session that I just finished doing before I came in here, because I was essentially singing to a group of little children. 

Tava Baird: Oh my God. [00:02:00] Um, and I should also tell you that on the way to get my massage this morning, you had left me a Marco talking about children embracing toys and spirits in dolls, like attaching themselves to dolls.

And Samuel went off on this whole thing about children being closer to the remembering source and how they can see souls much better than we can, and that that's what imaginary friends often are and this whole thing on children this morning. But I haven't even got, I feel like I should go.

Welcome to Mystical Musings. Uh, we haven't been together in a few weeks and we already have channeled song and Samuel talking our ears off before we've even introduced ourselves. It's chaos here, people. We'll try to chill it out. 

Jennifer Taylor: We're off to the races, 

Tava Baird: so hello everyone. Welcome back. Boy, do we have a lot of stuff to tell you and more stuff is [00:03:00]happening right now before we've even gotten a chance to say hello?

Apparently Sam Iel thinks Jen runs some sort of top 40, music from the Beyond radio station and he's putting in requests. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. So, uh, grab a hat and hold on it. 

Tava Baird: So what we're gonna do, because Sam Mayel is already talking and Jen is already getting song, she's gonna go ahead and sing. I am gonna try to get all this down on paper.

I'm already up to a page and a half before we even said go. And, and then we'll dust settle. 

Jennifer Taylor: Alright, I will, uh, I will do that. 

Tava Baird: No rest for the wicked 

Jennifer Taylor: Jenn singing - [00:04:00] [00:05:00] [00:06:00] [00:07:00] Oh [00:08:00] [00:09:00] [00:10:00] 

I am hoping I didn't cut it too short, but I felt like that song could possibly go on for the entire rest of the day. So if he says, no, you're not done, keep singing, I'll, but 

Tava Baird: I think at the end of this paragraph he's gonna have to take a breath simply because my [00:11:00] mind is exploding with the stuff he's talking to me about. So, [00:12:00]

Jennifer Taylor: I was like, oh, well, nope, there's more song. May as well get it out now. [00:13:00]

Tava Baird: You said you told our listeners to hold onto their hats. 

Jennifer Taylor: Indeed. 

Tava Baird: I would like everyone to, buckle the safety belt, including the shoulder strap, and possibly also glue your boots to the floor, um, 

Jennifer Taylor: arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times 

Tava Baird: because the vehicle is gonna be going places today.

Um, I I feel like we, I'm just trying to sort of like ground myself. I just had the most wonderful massage and I walked out going, I'm so grounded and centered. This is fantastic. And now it's like I got hit by a bus, like right off. Um, so gentle listeners, we should probably, I wanna, I want to sum up if we can, we did not have a podcast last week.

Uh, Jen was involved in caring for someone in a family emergency and had to leave town, and [00:14:00] there was also a lot of really unusual things happening here, in Virginia as well. And I may have to fill you in on some of those. so we haven't seen each other in a while, but we have been marketing and leaving messages.

basically we've both been hit with a tidal wave of lessons and energy and some really new experiences. For those of you who've been listening to us for a while, it sort of seemed like we started the podcast with, Hey, we're gonna get on and talk about metaphysical topics, and then very quickly, hear that we were actually being moved along towards a specific goal or purpose from things that.

Wow. In our own spiritual development, hurdles we were supposed to, to cross, and there was, there's some work we had to do, but we weren't quite sure what it was. [00:15:00] It has been coming roaring into focus over the last few weeks. and one of the things that has become very apparent, is that a lot of the things we were sort of finding out about on the podcast and going, that's really interesting.

Here comes the evidence and the practice of these theories that we've been sort of being pushed towards. and now I almost feel like it's a whole new world. Like I feel like our last podcast was in another lifetime, and now here it is, we're doing the work. a lot of really interesting information is coming through, but at such a pace that Jen and I are frantically looking for the water wings so that we don't drown in it.

you heard Jen talking about trying to suck an elephant through a straw when talking about the divine. We got a [00:16:00]whole herd of elephants here and we've got a coffee stir that we're working with. Samuel is speaking to me right now as though all of you know what's going on.

I had over the last few weeks some life-changing experiences with people who have crossed out of this world. I. With the dead, basically. and it appears that all of Samuel's gentle nudging finally ended up to him putting a nice big boot on my butt and kicking me into the deep end of the pool. So, in recent weeks now, I, instead of just being able to hear Samuel, I am now hearing all sorts of disembodied lovely entities around me that want to express their opinions to someone who they realize could hear.

And I am under Samuel's guidance, trying very hard to [00:17:00] learn very quickly what I'm supposed to be doing to aid them. So if you get a note of that as I'm reading you things that Sam AEL is saying, it's because he is my lab supervisor and I am, suddenly doing graduate work. and the other thing that came out of these experiences we've been talking about the power of story and song and dance and creating art to create sacred spaces.

And you know, we're gonna be teaching at the fertile ground gathering next week, doing a workshop where we do this together live. And I am yawned excited and it does not shock me at all looking back at all of these thing experiences that I'm having are coming right before we do that. sort of like, you know, get up, dust off kid.

Here you go. Um, and one of the experiences. That I had a few days ago with attempting to help [00:18:00] a distressed, disembodied soul. I would've thought that I needed to sit down as a witch and get my four corners up and set up a whole ritual space and, you know, all the stuff that I've been doing for 30 odd years.

But in reality, I had a recording of Jen singing and it instantly created a sacred environment. As I repeated her singing this song, all of that became unnecessary, which was good because I was dealing with kind of like an emergency situation and I didn't have any of those items with me. And if it had not been for her voice on that recording, I.

I wouldn't have had a consecrated space. I would not have had an environment where a soul that hasn't was so distressed it wasn't able to listen, was able to speak to me. I could [00:19:00] hear her. I was able to calm her down. I recruited two other living wonderful people to help me, and we actually got her to a place where we could get her, we could dramatically improve the situation that she was in.

And I walked out of that going all the stuff we've been talking about and then saying, you know, we're gonna try this. We're gonna put this into practice. I have the evidence now. It happened right there in front of me. That music facilitated that entire thing happening. And essentially. Was pathway that cleared everything open so that I could understand what my life's work is supposed to be in this information.

So, um, I can never say enough thank yous, Jen. And so keep all that in mind as we talk guys. 

Jennifer Taylor: And that track is actually what we released as our kind of last episode, as they tied you over [00:20:00]while we were sort of going through all the things we were going through. So it's the sacred soothing that is actually posted as the episode of like bonus material before this one if anybody wants to hear that.

And it's also on repeat on my website, so you can click on that and, which I realized I needed to tell you Tava also because she had to keep going and replay it, rewinding it from that, uh, that podcast. But if you go onto the Willow Ridge Reiki site, Under Healing Sound.

It's one of the ones there. So I put it there so that we could just use it over and over because, oh, thank goodness. I was trying to do the same sort of thing in the hospital and having to try to re rewind it and rewind. It was getting cumbersome 

Tava Baird: that, that recording guys, Jen, made to help do spirits, both of people who are getting ready to cross over, and for families and caretakers around them.

I played it in [00:21:00] an, in a place with a lot of very set and, restless spirit. If you've got a haunting problem in your house, I cannot recommend that recording enough. Or if you are one of the many people that I talk to who get awakened at night because some little entity is rattling your cage and wanting attention if you have psychic gifts, and a lot of times things are coming in when you don't, when it is an inconvenient time, that soothing recording helps calm everybody down, both you and the energies around you.

I cannot recommend it enough and I cannot tell you how many times I played it through the website. Probably makes, our podcast numbers are probably gonna look like they went way up because I was playing it on repeat so many times. Um, [00:22:00] so woo. That's a little quick nugget of sort of the mood we're in from the last few weeks.

As soon as we got on the podcast, Jen had a song coming through and Samuel was talking over top of her as she started speaking about being our own ancestors, which is where we left off a few weeks ago. So here's what he had to say while Jen was singing and before. So I wrote at the top continuing.

We are our own ancestors and he was talking really quickly and over top of you with this part, Jen. So I hope I got it all down. Then once you started singing, he slowed down, so that was really good. He said, energy can become scattered part of you may cross, part of you becomes stuck.

It may not be just for the [00:23:00] original soul, but part of another soul's work. So at this point I'm like, what is he talking about? And then he started talking about the soul that I was endeavoring to help the other day. He said, in example, Theresa May have partially crossed, not saying this is the case. Part of her energy may have stayed here because of something he meaning another soul that we were interacting with needed to do as part of his work.

So that's kind of a jumble. Ben Jen started singing and you can really see the evidence of how much more clearly Sam Mayel is able to express himself during her singing. Here it comes, he says, split souls. I can be in. More than one time yet I know how to work from a place of wholeness. I do not need to [00:24:00] draw energy back.

Souls that had the experience of being human often do because they have experienced being split. They must ground. And at that point I started to hyperventilate a little bit and he went, breathe. Um, shaah, breathe. I have much to say on souls. A soul is not the same as how you think of a person. The soul can choose to blend and merge with the whole, or stay partially merged or it can separate.

When he says separate, he wanted to stress. There's never an entire separation. There's always a little stream of energy back to the collective force. He said, this is not how the embodied think of themselves. [00:25:00] I am not and have never been a human. Can I be a physical force? Yes, but I have never been in a human body.

I am autonomous, but I can connect. I recognize the collective as my source and go forth to do my work. You are obviously different. You are not a physical and a transcendental force at will in order to be in a human body to do your work. You must break yourself away nearly totally from the remembering hole, inhabit the flesh and forget.

But when you leave this short incarnation, there are many choices you may wish to incarnate. Again, you may [00:26:00]choose not to and do other work in many. He made quotes, times and places 'cause we think of time and place differently obviously than he does. You may loop back on yourself, so to speak or act as part of the whole.

The loop back on myself thing is making my brain itch, but we'll get the connection you still retain to the divine, may speak to you and appear to be your own. Ancestor, or you may be remembering enough, be enlightened air quotes again, enough to skip outside the body. The singer does this. So he seems to be suggesting that when you, [00:27:00] there's different ways you can sort of be your own ancestor, that a part of your energy that's still tied to the divine might come visit you or leave encouragement or hints or you know, and essentially it's part of the collective.

At any point may even appear to you to look like you and you might go, oh my gosh, I'm my own ancestor. It appears that you, but you can also, if you have gotten to a spiritual place or were born with this gift, which it appears you have, Jen, you can actually get outside your normal timeline Here. You are not as constrained by the idea of time and space as most other humans are, and in doing that, [00:28:00] both visit energy that used or will use, and the energy that you're clueing into from the whole in different ways.

And in doing that, you are your own ancestor. Because there's always so and so. It appears that like we have this idea that I am tava, I am in this body, this is what I do today. That's the end of it. But there's always this thread that goes back, and the way that we use our consciousness in this body is, and the gifts that we happen to have in this body is going to make a difference.

So you are able to do this thing where you're kind of like, yeah, time and space are nice, but you know, whatever, whatever. I got stuff to do. And you know, I don't know if that's like my old New York [00:29:00] man voice or whatever. It's because as far as I know, you don't, you're not from New York and you're not an old man, at least in this incarnation.

I don't know what that was, but um, I certainly feel like I'm on the Muppet Show. So it's been a trippy week. People, um. It was random ghosts. Anyway, so, but it appears that you have the ability to kind of go, time and space aren't that big of a deal to me, and you are actually manipulating your energy to act a little bit more like how Sam ael moves his energy.

The difference will be that because you are in an embodied form right now, when you do that, you're going to have to ground and like consciously pull your energy back in at times where you might become so super scattered that you can't function in your body. And that's when we start disassociating and needing headaches and getting overwhelmed and getting [00:30:00] exhausted.

You know, it suddenly you turn to the left and there's some dude from four centuries before playing the banjo. You know, like we know how it goes. Right? But this is something that you can do. But there's apparently full of different ways to be your own ancestors, so to speak. And then so he talks about or to skip outside the body.

The singer does this. He just said now off to the side and she feasts. And I think that's a reference to you. You always eat in a lot of those experiences. Oh yes, you consume something. I'm just gonna put a little note in here. And she feasts and he's laughing and she feasts. Okay. and then he says to me, usually no 

Jennifer Taylor: really undesirable things.

Tava Baird: There have been a couple that I were like, like the, one of the ones from the hospital. I will not go into it in detail. Yeah. There was that one when I was like, yeah, I actually, the 

Jennifer Taylor: first time I ever really said, no, I can't, I can't do [00:31:00] that. And I, I feel like I didn't get a lot of pushback from that for what?

That one, it was like, okay, we'll give you this one. We won't make you swallow that. 

Tava Baird: We won't make you swallow. Thank you. We'll find 

Jennifer Taylor: a new way. Medical 

Tava Baird: things. Yeah. Um, so then he wrapped, he said, in your work sala, which dear listeners, it appears, is trying to find ways to soothe the dead in your work. Um, Shaah know that sometimes a nearly whole soul leaves or crosses over or heart fades either to continue work or because it has become lost or for the benefit of others.

So this benefit of others. This was crossing back to the stuff he was saying at the beginning where I was really confused. He was [00:32:00] trying to say to me that if I encounter a ghost, the ghost may not be an entire soul. It may be a residual energy. It may be that part of the soul has crossed over or is in a different timeline or is doing something else, or heart of that.

Energy is conscious, but staying behind to be of benefit, either to someone who is still living or to the work of someone, another entity that is disembodied. So what he's trying to say to me, so the situation that I dealt with the other day, I had a very distressed spirit. And I had a spirit in a different place that appeared to be looking for them, [00:33:00] but unable to contact them.

we'll call it Spirit, a female distressed spirit who was kind of just cycling and lost and hysterical. And then we had spirit B, a gentleman spirit who kept coming back to this realm to try to entice spirit A, to calm down and come with him. Spirit A could not get out of the loop, and so what I was trying to do was calm her down.

And get her to a place where he might be able to contact her and carry on what he needed to do. What Sam Mayel is pointing out, I assumed she's lost. He's coming for her benefit. What Sam Mayel is pointing out is that that same situation might look like that at times, but perhaps [00:34:00] Spirit A is part of a soul that is in that state as part of their work, so that Spirit B can come back and help perhaps spirit B needs to learn to help or as unresolved feelings where they need to be of benefit to Spirit.

A, that it doesn't, it's not just necessarily Spirit B and Me, we're helping out spirit A. It might look like that from the outside. This may have actually been, in some situations, a choice of spirit. A, so that Spirit E could learn or, or experience something that they needed to experience for their development, which made me go boom.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, that is fascinating. There are so many things in that that are really hugely important and [00:35:00] impactful. And the idea too that, you know, when we encounter, spirits, they're not, it's not the entire being because there's so many things and we've had so much talk about death and crossing over and what happens and how you end up here and how you end up, you know, in these higher realms where things are, more blissful and different.

And it's interesting. And I think for me it's comforting the idea that. It sounds like in, not in any of those, did he say that the whole soul stays? Am I? Is that correct? Well, he says, or sometimes there are times when the entire soul is, stays, 

Tava Baird: stays, but it still always has that thread back to the divine.

It always will still have that craving to return. Just sometimes it can't find it. He's talking a little bit more now. He says what you [00:36:00] call the ego.

Sometimes a part can move on,

but the part associated with the ego stays and he's not speaking of ego, to be like, oh, you have a huge ego, I think. and we know this, we have, there's so many people out there who have experiences like this. I, I think I've told this story before on the podcast of a, a friend I had in high school and, her grandmother, after her grandmother passed away, kept appearing there.

They were currently in a custody battle for a child and grandma basically hung out until they successfully were able to get custody of this child and the family who needed them. And then grandma crossed over. So if we look at it [00:37:00] from that standpoint, it might not have been all of grandma here that we were seeing at that point.

Now, all of grandma could have gone over and then come back to visit all of Grandma. But what grandma might also have done was leave the part of her was concerned with her earthly affairs. Here to get that work resolved while another part of her went ahead and went back to the Remembering Collective and she was still offering her support.

Samuel's trying to say that this idea we have that, oh my God, and I just wanna say that we are not any one thing. And what does he say all the time? No one is, any one thing. We're so used to, of, of, to thinking of ourselves, of this is where my skin ends. Or even if we go beyond that to go, this is where the heat for my body ends.

This is where my influence ends. This is [00:38:00] where my, voice ends my, we still think of ourselves as inhabiting a rather small space, and he's trying to tell us that there are lots of entities, him included that. They can be in multiple places at once, as we definitely saw while you were on your trip, Jen.

Yeah. He could here with me and out there on the other coast with you and doing whatever else he needed to do. He doesn't have that. Those constraints are not part of his being. We very much think of them as ours because we have to, in order to be understand what it is to be embodied. That we need to understand that once we are not con contained in this vessel anymore, there are lots of options and lots of choices.

And if we try to look at them in a normal time space, I'm an embodied person framework, we're gonna miss out on all of [00:39:00] the other options that might help us to understand, whoa, I can be my own ancestor. This was one of the things that was, was blowing my mind the other day when I was thinking about, you know, and I kept encountering Mosts, is my first thought was, oh no, they're all trapped here.

They're not, most of them are choosing to stay here now. Some of them may be in a loop or maybe in hysterical and may need to be calmed down. Some of them were trying to do work, but were having great difficulty doing so because of a ton of chaotic energy around them that needed to be soothed before they could keep sort of like you turn on a loud rock music in a crowded office, nobody can focus and do what they're supposed to do.

And so my job was to go in and sort of turn down the A CDC so that they could straight and do what you know and function the way they're intended [00:40:00] to function. But yeah, there's this whole idea that same mail can be in multiple places at once, and we have that ability when we're outside of this body.

It's just we experience consciousness and being differently because we have been in a body. We know what it's like to be split almost completely off from the hole. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, and there's a lot, you know, when you think about it, we, we do a lot of like practicing leaving our bodies and doing work in other realms.

You know, in this class that I just, finished with Robert Moss on Active Dreaming, he's talking about, you know, that in dreams we travel outside of our bodies every night, every time we're sleeping and we're dreaming, we're traveling and we're doing real work in real realms. And that sometimes there's something that's just, maybe [00:41:00] we're really exhausted and it's just sort of, I dunno, brain exhaust or things that come out, or sometimes it may be more symbolic, but that there are a good portion of our dreams that are actually traveling to other places, to other realms, doing work, learning things.

And so I'm thinking, we do that automatically. Like everybody does that. And then. You know, people can learn to remote view and astral travel where their consciousness doesn't entirely leave their body. You know, there's still a connection to their body and they're able to use their consciousness to go and experience and see or observe or affect something at a distance.

And then it sounds like, when we leave this physical body entirely, we can do that to a a much more dramatic extent and, and have entire parts of us that [00:42:00] are, in different realms or, still here on earth are doing certain kinds of work. It's interesting when he was talking about enlightened and using that with air quotes.

Yeah. The, it really struck me, what the parts of that word are, the like enlightened. And I was thinking so much of the work that we've been talking about doing and that we're planning on facilitating in another week is this laying down of the burdens. And actually I'm realizing too, the, um, so one of the things that Michael actually asked Samuel to tell me through Tava this past week was that I needed to connect with the hymns of my childhood that really resonated.

And there was one in particular, which was the old rugged cross that for some reason as a child, I just loved, which is an odd one for somebody to be, for a [00:43:00] small child, to be enamored with. But that's also about laying like your burdens being laid down and that you leave your burdens here and then you can go and exchange them for a crown is basically what it's talking, what it says.

And I'm thinking we are talking about laying your burdens down. And becoming lighter. And it, so it really strikes me that, enlightened is laying down more of those things that are of the world, those false beliefs, those things that we buy into the cultural expectations, the societal expectations, the familial and expectations that tell us we are limited and we are finite and we are less than, and we are not worthy in all those things.

And the more of those we lay down, the lighter we get and that it literally hold our spirit down [00:44:00] sometimes to the extent that it can be kind of stuck here for a period of time. And without the awareness of its infinite abilities. its connection to the whole and how it's really just. My mind is kind of exploding as I realize how all of these threads are tying in together with the laying our burdens down and the ego.

And we talk about that in reiki classes. And that from the perspective of holy fire, that the ego is really our culturally created self, the self that helps our soul, which is infinite, be able to function in a physical world. It's like that part of us that shows us, okay, this is how you basically exist in a society.

This is how you a family works. This is how these kind of structures that are, a part of our physical existence that the ego [00:45:00] is really meant to be that part of us that allows us to figure out how. Something that is a more infinite sort of, essence can come in and exist in a physicalized more limited sort of state.

But that our ego tends to, when we buy into all of that too much, then it's no longer a way that we're able to function as a soul in a physical body. But it's something that becomes more like this hardened shell like armor that stops us from being able to really even recognize the infinite nature of our soul.

And so the more we do our work, and this has been really driven home to us in this last couple weeks, of all of the things that are happening both in, my personal life, things that have been, that Teva's been experiencing, and all of the overlap between is that the need to do our work while we're [00:46:00] here.

So that. We don't have that work that we have to do necessarily so much after. And I, I know one of the things that came through Sam in this past time was the, your work is the helping those who have crossed over to be soothed and to find their way home and to get, and to do their work. And that part of our work that Keith and I work is to help people to do that work while they're here in a body so that they are lighter, they are more enlightened, they are lighter, and their souls can more easily travel and make those choices more consciously.

instead of being in a place of disorientation. And I think, I realize, I don't think we've shared this in the podcast, but one of the things you were talking about is that. The reason why humans, and I'll let you actually speak to this, the reason [00:47:00] why it is that a human who has crossed over might need a human to help them with their work.

Because I always felt like, well, you know, aren't there angels? Isn't Sam there? why aren't they doing this work? And it was really hard for me to understand that. And that was something I'll let you explain that 'cause I think that might help some of what we're talking about. 

Tava Baird: Yeah.

I wanted to tell you before I answer that question, as you were talking about lightning things, he said, very good. She speaks of a dive into the hidden places. And then I said something about the hidden places. You said enlightened. And he says, no one knows the word in darkened al so that, you know, my brain immediately went to light.

I think you're right and I don't think we've mentioned this on the podcast, so this would be really good. you know, if there are angels and there are ancestors and there are all of these people to help out souls who might be agitated or [00:48:00]lost and need an environment change or some encouragement or just some soothing, why the heck aren't the angels or some other big powerful being doing that.

And one of the things that.

imagine that you die suddenly, okay? You know, like you are in your body. One minute your car gets wrapped around a telephone pole. You have a couple terrifying moments at the end of your life or maybe not even that. And suddenly, boom, you're gone. Right? You're not in your physical body anymore.

It's not a choice. 'cause that physical body can't sustain you, right? and suddenly you are outside of it and you are trying to process what has happened to me. The world looks different. and perhaps there's a gateway or a doorway or something there, but you are so upset and so distressed and.

That you can't see it [00:49:00] or you can see it and you're just scared. And what Sam was saying was that, sometimes if people have had a long time to prepare for death, they are spiritual people who are open to the idea of things outside this realm.

You know, if an angel shows up next to you an energetic or a powerful, energetic being, you are like, okay, I've had some time to think about this. I'm good. Like, I might not be happy about it, but I'm good and you're, you are ready to go home. If you are in a state where you were nowhere near ready to go home and you've never conceived of the idea that there might be a.

Ghosts and spirits and angels or whatever, and suddenly there is an entity of incredible power that you have never even fathomed could exist before next to you. Your response might simply be to freak out, [00:50:00] right? You might not be able to listen. You might be wary of following. Think about if you have grown up in a culture or a faith that talks about the devil coming to get your soul right.

You might go, ah, don't want anybody worth anybody. you don't know what's happening. And Samuel said, these spirits could get themselves in such a twist that oftentimes it might not be beneficial for a being of much greater sort of energetic presence to show up because it might only worsen or the situation.

And so in that case, having a human, because really if you've just been sucked out of your body and nobody is responding to you, when you try to talk to them and you are worried about your family and you're traumatized, if there is a human who looks at you and says, [00:51:00] Hey, I can hear you. You're like, oh, thank goodness.

Oh, thank goodness. Right? You know what a human is. You can conceive of that. Having that human, there is an intermediary to be sort of a first contact for you and say, let's try to calm down a little bit. Who are you? What's going on? Are you aware that you are no longer in your body? I mean, and just presenting that information may stir them up again, but it would, it's a gentler step.

And so there are those of us that have work like this to do. Where, we are sort of the, hi, I'm Samuel's Advanced woman. I'm his secretary Tava. lemme just get some basic information from you before we, I pass you on to an angel, and that was exactly what happened earlier this week was, actually some other people encountered a soul that [00:52:00] was so agitated.

She couldn't understand that there were other souls and other entities around her. She was just wrapped up in her fear and I was able to converse with her. She was really glad somebody could hear her. She wanted me to turn the lights on in the room that we were in. and we got her to a place, myself and the two people who were working with me, where she felt held.

And safe enough and secure that we could then start to talk to her about the fact of like where she was and what was going on, and what her options were as we saw them. And that not only helped her, but she was stirring up so much energy in the area that she was agitating other spirits. So we were just trying to, bring the whole room down.

Sort of like when you [00:53:00] have a classroom of rowdy children and then somebody like rings a little bell, or does the thing where they put their fingers in the air and everybody's energy just kind of settles so that you can move forward. So that's why an embodied soul might be needed to assist.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Thank you. I think that that's really helpful because that was always a big thing for me was, why aren't there angels doing this? Are why, have they been just left behind? And San Oil was saying no, there's always an option. But yeah, the idea of the presence of something really, and I, that the having, being in a body and knowing and inviting it, the presence of an angel, it's a strong energy.

It is a really powerful, strong, wonderful energy. But if you don't know what that is, they would be even more disorienting and scary. so, yeah, having that like introduction of, hey, so you can trust this, you know, you can trust this [00:54:00]being, it, only has your highest good. And you know, you can think about it, but just saying you might wanna reconsider or be open to more options, you know?

I 

Tava Baird: mean, Jen, if you think about, I, I'm sure you remember after the first visit I ever had from Sam Iel, I remember sitting on your sofa at your house saying, do I like, need to go to the emergency room? Like, what's wrong with me? Like, 

Jennifer Taylor: it's like, am I crazy? Or see Yeah. 

Tava Baird: Like, do you need to take me and just put me, somewhere where I can get some help?

and I, and that was overwhelming to me and I wasn't dying on top of it. You know, if you are dying on top of it and you are dealing with pain and loss and worry, you may just need a little gentler assist. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, and I'm amazed at how many people I hear. Their stories and how many thought that, like, when they started [00:55:00] experiencing these things that were outside of our cultural norms and, seeing spirits or hearing, divine beings speaking to them or seeing auras or, soul colors or all of these different kinds of things.

Or having an angels, show up and talking to them, or how many of them had real concerns about their sanity? And some, in some cases had people in their environment that were trying to get them committed because they were like, there's something wrong. Like Donna Eden, who's now, world famous for her abilities.

apparently her original husband was fearful and was like, you need, you need help. You need serious help. And I, and thankfully she real, she knew that she didn't, but. It's amazing, how, and sometimes, and that's, yeah. Not as, as huge as having suddenly passed, not even maybe realizing your past and having something like that show up that's so far outside of your understanding.

it's amazing. Just each of all of our baby [00:56:00] steps in this process are things that can really throw people for a loop and go, whoa, wait a minute. And if it weren't for having. You know, a tribe of other people. It's interesting, we were playing this game called Worst Case Scenario, which we are actually gonna have to get because it's really hilarious.

and basically there are five cards that you have to lay out that each have all of these like catastrophic kinds of things. in most cases. And you have to decide what's the worst and what's the like, absolute, absolute, absolute worst. And so it goes from like bad to like the absolute worst.

And one of the cards was, you are the only person in the world who can see and hear spirits. Oh, and in my categorization of things, that was the worst because I was thinking there would be no validation, no support to help you know, that you weren't losing it. There wasn't something wrong with you, but that this was a real [00:57:00] thing.

And there wouldn't really be anybody you could tell, because if no one else in the world had that experience, there would be no common understanding of it. And so, I kind of think of it a little bit like that where it's like that, you know, if somebody has no idea that these things exist, yeah, it's a bigger shock.

The further you removed you have lived your life from the idea that these kinds of things exist. It's not so surprising. 

To ensure that we end part one of , this podcast, in, a good grounded place I will sing us into a space of groundedness. [00:58:00] [00:59:00]

Thank you all so much for being a part of this incredible journey, I look forward to continuing this in the next podcast 

So until next time, be blessed