Part 2 Bones and Boundaries: Communing with Ancestors

In this continuation of their exploration into ancestral connections, Jennifer Taylor and Tava Baird delve into the complexities of communicating with and honoring familial spirits. From sharing personal anecdotes to practical advice on setting boundaries, the discussion offers listeners strategies for balancing reverence and self-empowerment. This episode also features a profound bone reading session, insights channeled from spiritual guides like Samael and Azriel, and a heartfelt exploration of family legacies and their lasting impact.

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Part 2 - 

Jennifer Taylor: [00:00:00] Welcome to Part 2 of this Episode, we will begin with a song to set the space and then continue where we left off last week. 

[00:01:00] Jenn Singing

Jennifer Taylor: I'll be really interested in any advice that, Azriel or Samuel have about working with these ancestors , because I've had friends that have had ancestors come in in their [00:02:00] house 

And things kept breaking, like, their refrigerators and things like that kept breaking. And the personality of the individuals was so strong that they were kind of coming in and trying to take over. and do it their way. And so they felt this heavy, like kind of pushed around by Aunt Bertha kind of thing, who's like, get outta the way, let me show you how to take care of yourself.

You're not doing it right. Kind of thing. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. Bertha was probably like that in life. Yeah, yeah, 

Jennifer Taylor: exactly. She was like that in life. And so it was like trying to figure out how to listen to them, you know, because a lot of these, I know were very strong personalities when they were embodied and were very like, I'll make a move.

Like I'll make 'em do it. You know, they were strong and that's, how they got through life. They were strong. Yeah. And they were loving at the heart of it. But it is like, am I sort of inviting a giant family reunion where everybody has their strong personality of like, and they're all living there, has nothing, a very strong opinion of [00:03:00] how this needs to go.

Mm-hmm. Mixing in with it or is there a way of setting up that relationship that, can make it so that it's a mutually beneficial thing? Because I realize too that sometimes there are those that really want to be involved, but they also want to sort of be. A little bit more in control and 

Tava Baird: yes.

Jennifer Taylor: You know, we don't need a whole lot of, power struggle there. 

Tava Baird: Do if you want, we can cast again and ask. 

Jennifer Taylor: sure, 

Tava Baird: yeah. It's up to you. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. Let's ask, What is the healthiest, because I am, I do realize just even with Sam, I all talking about, with aspects of the divine and all these guides that come in, it's like everybody wants to be heard. And I remember Sam, a few, podcasts ago, cautioning us against being like, okay, everybody gets a say, everybody gets to work with me because there are so many, coming in, even divine guides that it's like, all right, we can't kind of listen to everybody.[00:04:00]

Jennifer Taylor: So yeah, it's like how to safely work in that way. and then too, if I'm gonna be advising others on this, how to help others be able to set up, establish, boundaries, what is a safe way of working to ensure that you're not, now just in the middle of this just big family event and everybody's, at odds.

'cause they may not all have the same opinion either. 

Tava Baird: Yes. But you know, very much so. And I recognize 

Jennifer Taylor: there's. You know, people evolve. they go back to their remembering and they're coming at things from a different perspective too, so, 

Tava Baird: yeah. Awesome. 

Okay, so we're gonna do this again. I have removed the Grandpa Lyle bone and the fox bone because now we wanna know more about boundaries and semial as.

Invited me to pop this little Lilith charm in. Right. Um, I have never read with this before, but he would like her in the mix. So we're gonna put that in, see what 

Jennifer Taylor: happens. [00:05:00]

Tava Baird: Usually I just leave it around like as a little, you know, 'cause I like it. Little talisman. But, um, we're gonna pop Lili into the mix today because he's in instructed me to do that and we'll see what happens.

So how shall we frame our question this time? I guess we should say, how should ancestor communication go forward so that it is in, everyone involves highest good. Does that sound okay to you? 

Jennifer Taylor: uh, maybe what is the most advisable and safe way to move forward with ancestor communication that is in the highest good of all? 

Tava Baird: Okay.

Azriel call invoke you to come in and help answer Jennifer's question. I. About how to move [00:06:00] forward, what is advisable, and the bones fall. Ooh. Alright. An ending fell way outside. Portal and gate. Way outside. Friends, way outside our career. Bone is way out there. Lilith fell outside. Oh wait, he's telling me.

Leave her there for a moment. Sometimes when things come outside and they're an interesting grouping and they're also in the west, which a lot of times for me is a horizon or things coming and one of them is a pointer bone. Going back into the circle, I'm gonna leave Lilith and the coin for finances and that pointer there and see if the other things advise.

The second pointer bone also went way outside the circle. I'm getting that [00:07:00] one. I'm gonna remove. Family fell outside. Self-reflection fell outside. There's the mind at the root of it. All This time we have the key for home and communication. The bone for communication is holding up the key to the house.

Ooh, this is so interesting. Love spirit guide. Travel standing in your own power and the physical body are all in a group. Right at the center beginning is face down. Okay, I got it. And there's the mind ridge bone. Where's the ridge bone? I can never remember this one for some strange reason. I should probably change its meaning.

Sea glass fang, hag stone. Where's the ridge? [00:08:00] Opportunity out in the future. Okay. Opportunity. The spirit communication. Okay. Okay.

Give me just a moment. I think I've got it, but I'm gonna write it down. I'm sorry. It may be a minute or two. 

Jennifer Taylor: No, take your time.

Tava Baird: All right, we've got it.

All right. Okay, here it comes. Here we come. Oh, Before I forget, in case I touch a bone, photograph, photograph, photograph, 

Jennifer Taylor:

Tava Baird: Okay, so this is what this one has. The very base of our circle, we have the bone for the mind, all the way on its own.

The mind is at the root of it all. You get to decide who you want to call, and when [00:09:00] you control who you hear and if they get heard. So you have all the power in this situation, right? They want to make their opinions heard. They want to be noticed, they want to be recognized. You don't really want anything from them, but you do have the power to turn your attention away from them if they're not being polite, right?

So whereas when they were embodied, they could, you know, like they, they, the ultimate thing is, is that you. If you want to communicate with them, have all the power that you want. Because what they, it reminds me of, um, Vika talking to Socha in Wildwood and she was talking about what, you know, Alex forgets to tell you where we're going.

And she says, what do you do if he says, oh, don't worry about it. I'll, I'll just take care of it. She says, you stop your horse. [00:10:00] What does he want most in the world? He wants to be seen as a gentleman and he wants to get you west. If he doesn't behave himself and share his plans with you, you stop your horse.

In doing that, you are reminding him that he's not being a gentleman and you're preventing what he wants to do most, which is get you to the West coast. And then as soon as he says, whoops, she's like, he'll figure it out. As soon as he says, whoops, I'm so sorry. Let me share my plans with you. Now you're ready to move forward together.

Right? You have that same power In this situation. They are no longer embodied and want to help. They want to be part of the family and seen as part of the family. They want their, the wisdom that they have accrued to be heard and utilized by someone. If they are not behaving themselves and they are trying to, you know, take over the Thanksgiving dinner, you simply tell them, I'm not turning my attention to you anymore.

Until you can [00:11:00] behave. Perhaps we will talk again later. And in doing so, you have a much stronger stance than they do. Right? It's reminded me of something that Irene Glass said to me when I was bone reading. I said, I worry sometimes that if I don't listen that they will turn away. And she said, if they do, then they're not worthy of you.

And I fricking loved that, right? We have to remember the power that we are in. So you control who you hear and if they have their say because you have the power to give them attention or not. And what the bones recommend is start with just Grandpa Lyle. But you need to give Grandpa Lyle a job. Great Grandpa Lyle.

Sorry. You need to give him a job that you want him to do. He has expressed through these bones that he would very much like to be on guard duty. He is a military man. He would very much like to [00:12:00] defend his house. And you guys, he all sees as his children. Right. He wants to look out for the family. This is something that would be well suited to him.

So you can say, I think you've talked before about sort of having a spiritual committee where you go, Hey, let me put this out to the committee and you know, find me a way to do this. Find me a way to do that. Show me, add him to the committee, or create a committee that's just ancestors. Great Grandpa Lyle, I'm gonna put out some time to spend in the garden.

I'm gonna move one of your items down there. I would love to invite you to spend time with me in the garden at times. Could you, in our exchange of energy, would you mind continuing to guard my boundaries? Guard the house and tell him that you want him to communicate with the others as the patriarch of the family.

You want him to communicate with them when they wanna run [00:13:00] in and talk to you and say, you are loved, but we will call you when it is your turn, right? You will, you will be called when needed. And then if the relationship with Grandpa, great Grandpa Lyle goes, well, then maybe you start inviting in somebody else, you know, whoever else you're, you know, maybe as we're going through those boxes, you go, whoa.

I don't know, but the energy coming off of this box is just so warm and welcoming and I'm really curious about this person. And you start asking your parents about their stories and kind of get to know who they are. Then when you get to a point where you feel like, Michael, is this one okay to bring in that this be beneficial, then you let Grandpa Lyle know, we have another seat on the committee.

We are looking for, we are looking for why we would like to hear what she has to say. But you are an exclusive club here and, Grandpa Lyle can be beneficial in [00:14:00] helping them to blow their role, calm themselves down. We know you want to be heard, but we are inviting you and if we are inviting you, then you better be a good guest, right?

Or you will be uninvited. I know that at times you have had family members come to visit who were not necessarily great guests. So you know, like, and you tend to go, oh, they're guests. I need to give them whatever they want because you are a wonderful, good giving generous person with these guys. You're gonna have to be a little bit more No, no, no, no, no.

Your feet aren't gonna be up on the sofa. You are not embodied, and I don't have to deal with your physical form. I can't push you off if needed. I don't have to feed you, I don't have to do your laundry. I don't have to drive you anywhere. I'm open to speaking with you when the time is right. So it says tell grandpa [00:15:00] Lyle to tell him to tell the others that they are loved.

They will be called on when needed. And they all know who he is 'cause they're all his relatives. Right. So, and there's definitely, even in those structures of, well, I am in charge, there is respect for the patriarch of the family, which it sounds like is definitely a role of his. the bones say you have absolute control over this situation, but you have to claim it, right?

So don't go into it if you're not utterly convinced that you have control. Now, Samuel wanted the Lilith charm in, and even though it fell outside the circle, it's coupled with coin and one of the pointers, paying spa pay special attention to this, the coin Lilith on the horizon.

The more that you can do this where you say, these are my boundaries, grandpa Lyle is helping me with it. The more [00:16:00] that you can do this and slowly work through this process, the more information that you will gain on exactly how it felt to be able to help heal in the mortal realm. In this case, the coin is not your finances, it's the mortal realm.

It's the, in a tarot deck, it is the pentacle, the coin, right? Things that happen here. So this is a spiritual thing that you would be doing the information from. It is something that you would be able to use to guide others in this realm to help them understand what is a good and beneficial way to have these relationships.

And then the self-reflection, which is sitting way up here by opportunity says, self-reflect on. Do you have any self-defeating practices when it comes to crowd control that you might wanna work on [00:17:00] before you go into this? If you are, I know I tend to be too nice. I don't wanna rock the boat. I want everybody to be happy.

I want them to think that I'm the best hostess ever and I will beat myself up for days if they don't think that. These guys don't have bodies. So applying the two nice in this situation may have you end up with great Grandma Bertha, wanting to tell you how to make your macaroni and cheese. You probably don't eat macaroni and cheese, you eat much healthier than I do, but 

Jennifer Taylor: we can, you know what?

Have some ma and cheese, 

Tava Baird: but you can actually assign great Grandpa Lyle and other entities to help with crowd control and to pass. I very much wanna honor my ancestors. Could you pass this on? Right? we're going to be going through your things and spending time with your energy. We hope you [00:18:00] enjoy that Grandpa, great-grandpa passed that on.

Right. You are not invited to haunt my house. You may not show up uninvited when I am in the middle of a session with Michael and hijack the whole thing for your own voices. You may not do this. I, however, will go spend some time trying to move some of your items into my daily life or find people who would appreciate them.

I will scan all of your photos into a document so that we have them for posterity. And my daughter can look upon your faces as she grows. all of these things are things that you give them. That energy exchange just needs to come back to them, that they need to be good guests. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, that's super helpful.

I, I think that's really, really helpful. And I think, yeah, there are times when I lose that lose sight of the, I really am in control here. Like I can say this and [00:19:00] it must be honored, that they can't, you know, in, in physical life you can say, look, don't walk over here.

this is my space. And the person can still walk right over there and stand right in front of your face. Yes, they can do it anyway and yell in it if they want to. And it's like, you know, you can kind of hold your ground as much as you can, but physically they can still physically overpower. But it sounds like in this, energetic, spiritual realm, when you claim your space, and this is my space, and I know we've heard so much in the last week or two from Samael about I stand in my divine power. .

Yeah. And this is who I'm inviting in. no one else is coming in or, you know, declaring things. It sounds like declaring that in the energetic realm, which we know really, I mean, I know this, like we've been talking about this forever, but somehow when it comes to disembodied [00:20:00] family members, it somehow went out the window in my mind.

The idea that I could still claim this with people that are. Both family and I knew in this physical embodiment and are no longer in the, physical body. Right. That, there can be the same kind of boundaries set and, respected. 

Tava Baird: And it's hard to do. I mean, I'm terrible at it like you are when I fall into the two nice category all the time.

Oh me, you know, me too. And it's, it's condition of how we were raised. It's people pleasing, and we know in our brains that oh, I shouldn't do that. But it's really hard to just go no, in real life. that word no is so hard to say. I'm finding it easier as I get in to be an older woman.

there's a little bit more no. Coming out, you know, with respect. No, with gratitude. I can't, this is no longer on. I cannot hold this on [00:21:00] my plate. You hold all the cards here. 'cause what they want is to be, they would love their items to come out of the closet. They would love their photographs, looked at, they would love to have something moved down to the garden.

They want to be part of the family guarding the boundaries. You know, they want to, help. They love you all. You're their family, you are the results of what they did in their life. And so to be able to be included in that, I think they're probably going to behave a little bit better. And if they don't, then they're not invited to the next dinner.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: When they would very much like to be invited to the next dinner. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. So, and yeah. That's amazing. And it's interesting because there are A number of different family lines, but oddly, my dad's side of the family feels a lot stronger in all of that.

Mm-hmm. and maybe [00:22:00] they're just the ones that are most stepping forward. but I'm guessing they're all still, larger family to where, you know, he's not necessarily the patriarch of my grandmother's family, but Right.

You know, in this sort of sense he is, he is 

Tava Baird: a patriarch. Yeah. He's gonna be respected. Kind 

Jennifer Taylor: of seen that way and 

Tava Baird: yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: Holding that space. 

Tava Baird: It was interesting because one of the things that happened to me was, as, different family members passed on, because I had an archeology background, I, there was a time period over a decade ago where family trees kept showing up in the mail.

They were little fragmented family trees people had written on computer paper or that they had, you know, photocopied from somebody else's family tree. And they all just thought, oh, we're cleaning through so-and-so's stuff. You are the be best place for them. You like history. And I ended up with a stack of them in the basement.

And it wasn't until COD hit where I couldn't go anywhere, and I was only teaching on Zoom, for a [00:23:00] couple of hours a day that my life slowed down enough that I went, well, wait a second. Let me pull those things outta the basement and see what we've got. And that was the first time that I discovered that I had Scottish heritage.

I didn't know. I thought it was, I thought I was like 95% German with the odd Irishman thrown in. and that was when it hit me as I was going through these trees and I was like, what the heck? What is all of, what are all these place locations in Scotland? Where did they come from? And I didn't know anything about Scottish history.

I mean, I would've bet if you'd said, never heard of William Wallace. I would've gone. Yeah. And if you'd said, who was he? I would've said embarrassingly. I have no idea. And then it was diving into that history that brought about the writing of my novels. Because once I went into them and I found out the stories of who they were and where they grew up, and what they did.

You know, like I remember the first time, I was typing [00:24:00] their names into ancestry.com and one of them came up and it said, occupation Border Reaver. And I thought, what the heck is a border reaver? And I Googled it and it was like, you basically have a land pirate here, right? And then I went, well that's a story.

And so taking the places that they were born and died and looking into their stories wr about, you know, I have three Alexander Scotts in my family tree. That's how my main character got named, is I have ancestors that were border Reavers that had his name and so it opened up a whole new world for me.

I mean, I ended up quitting my job and now I'm on a podcast with you. And my entire life changed 'cause, and I went to Scotland, and walked where they walked and said their names outside of the places that they used to reside, and looked at the landscape that they looked at. [00:25:00] And it changed how I saw myself.

it changed everything about my world. and I just think, you know, grandpa Lyle is, for lack of a better term, knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door in reverse to kind of be like, there's an opportunity here and we wanna help. 

Jennifer Taylor: That's really beautiful. Thank you so much for this. This is absolutely incredible.

And if thank you to all of the people who are listening, I really kind of forgot that we were on a podcast. To large extent. 

Tava Baird: It's, we've been doing this three hours, Jenn, and Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh my goodness. 

Tava Baird: I was, I, I hope it seems like the bone readings were, were helpful. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, um, a thousand percent. A thousand percent.

There's so much to look into and, think on and, incorporate and yeah, I am, I'm just blown away. [00:26:00] And really excited and so grateful. And to get to watch you do that and hear you talk through, so these things are together. This is how they're together, that how, that's, you know, all of that. And then also have you just receiving these messages from Azriel and putting it all together in a whole different way and.

You know, receiving something great, you know, directly from Great Granddaddy Lyle to you in his southern accent. I mean, 

Tava Baird: that's 

Jennifer Taylor: the thing that blew me away, is I That's amazing. 

Tava Baird: I could hear this voice talking and I'm like, he's got a little bit of a, a draw. Like he's got a little bit of a, and I thought, was he southern?

I have no idea where your great-grandfather lives. Yeah. I couldn't even tell you where your father grew up, you know, like, I know you all moved around a lot, but I, I have no idea where they originally hail from. So, you know, great Grandpa's kind of a stretch to come back in and say him saying he knows [00:27:00] gardens and to hear his voice there.

And now I'm so excited. Like, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna get a chance to see the boxes in the basement, but now I'm like, I feel like there's a connection and I wanna see something of his, you know? Yeah. Like, like it's just, it's really, it's really neat. So I'm very excited to see what you decide to do with this.

And, uh, just know, you know, when you feel alone, your family is still around you. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And I am sure that, that, that is true for everyone who is listening. You know, it's like, and we, because we always talk about how you're never alone because there are all these spirit guides, you know, there are angels and, goddesses and all these aspects of.

the divine in that regard, but you're also never alone because you are, preceded by thousands of people who love you [00:28:00] as well. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. They're walking in and out through Metatron skates and they come visit if we invite them. 

Jennifer Taylor: Indeed. So I think it is time to sing again. I'm so curious 

Tava Baird: to see what happens this time.

I was 

Jennifer Taylor: gonna say, I'm going into this standing in my power and declaring that the only, beings that may sing through me are Michael and Gabriel and, the rest are welcome to watch, but not to participate or influence in any way. And so I look forward to standing in the light with Gabriel and Michael and seeing what they would like to send through for us to help to round out and close this.

but will probably be multiple sessions now.

Tava Baird: Samuel just wanted me to say Grandpa Lyle is very happy. Great Grandpa Lyle is very happy right now and it's making me tear up. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, [00:29:00] that's really sweet. I'm so glad and I'm really excited about the, being able to have a relationship with him in, at this point because we weren't able to have a relationship when he was embodied.

And so the idea that we still have that opportunity to have a relationship is, is really cool. 

Tava Baird: Now I'm like crying. Well, Samuel just said he's waiting in the garden for you. Oh. I'm just like, 

Jennifer Taylor: yeah. I love, it's so funny that I hadn't thought about it. I was like, the one time he did talk was in the garden, he loved his, it was like he came to life in the garden.

You know, he couldn't, he couldn't be open in other situations. But when he was in his garden, everything was different. And I love that. You know, the garden is my happy place, place, my sacred place. And the idea that that's something that we share, I'd never [00:30:00] really put together until now.

So 

Tava Baird: that's, can you imagine? Really beautiful. He must see you out there and just be like, like he get he'll. He gets you when you're in your garden, you know? Yeah. All in love. 

Jennifer Taylor: And I'm sure that he does feel like they need some help out there because the garden has gotten rather overgrown in a lot of areas, which I kind of like because it's wild.

And now there are birds nesting in it. And there are little bird eggs in some of the garden beds because you know of neglect really? But then it's really special. And there's a wildness in it too. So I'm sure he's like, um, you need some help. Things are getting outta control. Oh, oh. And I, it's funny because I was actually unmuting to mention.

That while I had said Michael and Gabriel were the only ones that could sing through me, I was like, Sam Mayel. I had already told him. He always has a, an open [00:31:00] invitation as well. And I was like, I cannot leave out Samuel. So was gonna come back on and say, and of course Sam Mayel. I 

Tava Baird: didn't, I didn't say anything.

But when you said the two of them and turned off, he said, and me as well. And I went, yes. I'm, I'm like, I'm sure it's you as 

Jennifer Taylor: Yes, always. It's so funny because I, I muted and then I thought I have got to formally say that again because he always has an open invitation, so Yes. And I'm, I'm so glad that I clarified and that he was like, yeah.

And me, 

Tava Baird: and me. I'm, I'm invited. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yes, absolutely. He is always invited. 

Tava Baird: Um, especially when you started it off with I stand in my own power. He's not gonna horn it unless he knows you want him there. Yeah. I 

Jennifer Taylor: was like, I need to make sure that that is very clear. All right. 

[00:32:00] [00:33:00] Closing [00:34:00] Song

Tava Baird: [00:35:00] Just a little closing note from a certain seraphim. Joy, joy, rejoicing they wish to be seen. Those who went before, sometimes they are still working, still healing, still helping here. Sometimes they move on. The choice is always yours, my friends, yours. Not just this life, but the next and the next. And the spaces in between.

Circumstances may force your hands, but then once again, you will choose families, whether chosen or birthed, are a rich tapestry of souls. You are more like a ghost than you think. And when that tapestry is dirtied or frayed, do your best to clean and mend where you can. And realize that sometimes holes are simply nature, creating a new [00:36:00] design.

Many blessings during this time of drawing in. 

Jennifer Taylor: Beautiful. Thank you so much.

Tava Baird: I am so grateful for everybody who tuned in. 

until we see you next time, thank you so much for listening, for being a part of our extended unseen family. And may your tapestry bring you much joy.

Jennifer Taylor: Amen. And so it is. 

And so it is.