
Mystical Musings
Two Mystics. One Friendship. Endless Transformation.
Each week, spiritual guides Jennifer Taylor and Tava Baird open sacred, unscripted, space for soul-stretching insights, and spontaneously channeled messages and songs - led by the divine, but grounded in laughter and humility.
The hosts' close friendship forms the foundation of the podcast's alchemy - fostering openness, vulnerability, and trust; inviting listeners into their inner circle with warmth and authenticity.
Come as you are to this sacred space. You are welcome and honored here.
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Tava Baird: tavabaird.com or https://darkflowerbooks.etsy.com.
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Jenn's Healing Music Available on Bandcamp: https://amnivara.bandcamp.com/
Mystical Musings
Amnivara Part 2 - Perfect Never Comes
In this episode, we continue last week's conversation about recognizing our own divinity and how it empowers us to see the divine in others. Samael's teachings emphasize the importance of acknowledging our inner divine to foster love and unity in a world rife with division. Jen and Tava share personal stories of overcoming perfectionism and embracing their unique paths through music and art. They discuss the concept of creating tools and spaces for spiritual growth, regardless of imperfections, and propose ways listeners can share their own imperfect creations in a supportive community. The episode culminates with a touching invocation and a call to action: to be the change we wish to see in the world by fully embracing and expressing our imperfect, divine selves.
00:00 Introduction and Recap
07:10 Recognizing Our Own Divinity
09:11 Building Bridges to Divinity
10:03 Amplifying Love in a Divided World
14:16 Finding Purpose and Taking Action
16:16 Creating and Sharing Healing Music
20:08 Overcoming Perfectionism and Embracing Imperfection
36:35 Embrace Imperfection: Just Start
37:14 A Personal Story of Imperfect Creation
38:23 The Power of Raw, Unedited Music
41:48 Sharing Imperfect Creations
45:51 Creating a Safe Space for Sharing
49:06 Reclaiming Demonized Terms
01:00:04 Final Thoughts and Upcoming Events
The Four Mirrors Ritual with Lilith - music :
https://amnivara.bandcamp.com/track/the-four-mirrors
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Once there, on the left, there is a section called "Mystical Musings Pod: Lilith Rising". Under it are six subsections where you can post...imperfect artwork, quotes about imperfection, etc.
Lilith and the Lost City and other Tava Classes
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Amnivara Part 2 Perfect never comes
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Jennifer Taylor: Thank you so much for joining us again this week, um, as we continue our conversation from last week. So I will replay the song that started this episode. Um, I will replay the song that started this discussion last week, and then we will just jump right back into our conversation. Enjoy. (singing)[00:01:00] Ooh.[00:02:00] [00:03:00] [00:04:00][00:05:00] [00:06:00]
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Yeah. And the biggest thing, that really Samael has been working with us so intensely about, is that we can hear the divine outside of ourselves when we can recognize that we are divine. And when we recognize our own divinity and we can hold that knowledge and we can stand in it, the more we can stand in that knowledge that we are divine, the more powerfully we can recognize that in others, both on this earthly plane and.
The guidance that we're being given. And that has been a massive thing that Tava and I have both really been working with. And her work through Sam and these Lilith workshops are a wonderful, wonderful way [00:08:00] to start recognizing that and laying these things down. And I feel like really ultimately the heart of the work that we are both doing, and I think probably the heart of the work of every healer, whether it's overtly obvious or not, is really to help everyone to break away and get rid of those things that are stopping us from seeing our own worth and recognizing our own divinity.
And that ultimately, that's the basis for all healing, is that when you can recognize that, then everything shifts. And so I think it's just a matter of the modalities that we use to do that. You know, I'm using song and music and nature and movement and really, Tava is too, you know, but it's just, it's a matter of what types of teachings?
What are the areas that we need in order to grow and learn [00:09:00] in? What are the things we need to hear from someone else? What are the things we need to experience, or the experiences we need to be held in, in order to discover and let those things down. And I think that's exactly what the building the bridge, is for me.
'cause I remember Samael saying I was trying to create this when he's kept talking about it. I was like, all right, it's sort of like a system where people do this and this and this. And it was like, well, it depends on where everybody is. And it makes total sense when you talk about it as, you know, someone showing up and having various types of mobility issues or whatever it is, each person's going to need that ramp, that bridge to, Amnivara
To look different, it's gonna need to be built of different kinds of stairs, different kinds of things in order to get them to it, because they have a different set of obstacles or perceived obstacles that are in their way of being able to see their divinity, of feeling their worth, and knowing [00:10:00] and creating that connection to that space.
Tava Baird: When you were talking about sort of seeing the divine and our idea of self-worth, I want to tell a quick little story. Um, it has been a very difficult week, media wise and in our society. and I'm not gonna go into it because Lord knows everyone's been being hit with it on all sides. But I was in a little bit of despair earlier this week and I said, you know something about Samael.
Oh my goodness, there's so many people. Like I know that the human brain, it's a defense mechanism. Our human brains are wired to watch out for danger. They are, you know, don't put your hand on the stove. Oh no, you put your hand on the stove again. You know, there's something in our brain that goes, watch out for the stove as we, you know, we're social creatures and we try to, pass messages around.
But unfortunately, when that goes crazy. And we have a medium [00:11:00] like the internet where we can just amplify things over and over and over and over again. I was saying to Samael, I keep seeing nothing but messages of division and hate and division and hate and these huge platforms for it.
You know, what are we supposed to do? And Sam said to me, are there no Christs among you who amplify the message of love? And I was like, who do we have that amplifies love as much as others amplify division? And I, I was trying to think of somebody in the media or something, and then he said, then you must become one Umshallah, even if my platform is little, even if it's my books and this lovely, lovely podcast.
You know, I don't have millions of people reading my stuff. We don't have millions of listeners. But if you think about it, [00:12:00] and I thought this was really interesting. Are there no Christs among you? Is there no one who's willing to walk among the people and talk about love as loudly as they can?
If there are enough of us singing love and cling love. And passing out love and creating situations where the people around us become empowered by love. Eventually we do have a movement, can change the world. Jesus had what, 12 people, right? 12 in his day. And I'm sorry for anybody out here who doesn't like me using this word, but technically it's correct.
Jesus was a cult leader in his day. He had some very passionate adherence and not many of them. And there were lots of other moving preachers moving around that same [00:13:00] area at the same time. Something about his message started things rolling. And what Samael wants us to do is stop waiting for someone to come save us, for us to understand that we are also divine.
Even if we're forgetting, even if we have limited resources, we are still divine. And we all know 12 people love them as hard as we can. And that's the way that we counteract negativity and division. 'cause eventually our 12 people connect to another 12 people and then they connect to another 12 people.
And eventually it gets to the points where the people who want to poison us against each other. Can't convince most of us to do that, and their message will die at least until it tries to rear its head again. So when [00:14:00] you feel despondent, when you feel alone, remember that the divine are behind you.
Remember that you are a divine soul and reach out to your closest 12 people and love them as hard as you can.
Jennifer Taylor: that quote that, you know, be the change that you wish to see in the world is one of the things that I hold really close to me all the time is that sense of, it's exactly what you were talking about.
You know, the, rather than looking for someone to save us, if each of us can be the change, not talk about the change or say change needs to happen, but just be it. That that in itself will have that ripple effect that you were talking about. And I was, I was in the same kind of place that Ava was talking about where I was really struggling with things that were happening and trying to kind of regain a perspective [00:15:00] and feeling a little bit.
Like, things were just outta control. And again, I was asking, what do I do? And I tend to, have that kind of thing at the barn I,was in a frenzy sort of place and mentally and emotionally when I got there, but I'm like, this is the place where I can connect again, you know, the, the horses and the, the incredible birds and the nature and everything there.
And so I was asking, you know, what do I do? how do I do this? How can I help? And it was like, do what you do. And I was, you know, putting salve on wounds on a horse and feeding him and helping. And it was like, you know, some of it is just continuing to do the things that we do in a physical way, the caring for others, the continuing to do the things and honoring and recognizing the good that it does.
But it was also a deeper sense of what do I do? What is [00:16:00] it that I am here to do? And it was sing and bring healing and connect people with, the divine within themselves so that they can connect with the divine in other ways and, you know, bring in guides and all of this stuff.
And so I thought. Okay, I need to sing. And I thought, all right, well I'll do an energy session for basically like the entire world and I will sing and I will channel it and I will put it out there. But then I thought, but what if I did that and I recorded it and other people could play it and they could maybe even sing along with it and add their voices and other people might hear that and play it.
And I started imagining how it could spread through the whole world. Like what if we could get this recording out to, so many people that could then be broadcasting the energy of unification consciousness, the [00:17:00] energy of we are all divine. The energy that breaks down and transmutes the illusion of separation so that we can see that we are all one.
And then I thought, I need my husband to sing with me and to play the music with me. Because the two of us together and Samael has talked about how, our souls have traveled many, many lifetimes together.
And the work that we do together is amplified And then there's that whole, you know, where two or more are gathered. So I was like, okay, the two of us getting together and creating music that is bringing through all of this energy and amplifies it and then put it out there.
And I had this image of like the little triangle on its side that is like the play button on pretty much everything. Yeah. Um, and it was play for peace. And I thought, oh my goodness, I, this is [00:18:00] what I need to do. I can do something. And that something is creating this and putting this out there.
And so we came home and that day sat in the studio and this incredible drum percussion kind of thing just started coming through my husband. Like it was just incredible. And so we recorded that and this amazing, drone flute thing started coming through. And I'm going to be adding vocals to it, and we're just gonna be adding all of these layers and then putting it out there, for free, for people to listen to and play and share as much as humanly possible to help to amplify these energies.
And so, you know, this is the way that I'm told to do it because it's do what you do. and Tava was told to essentially do what she does, you know, walk in the streets, create community, speak and teach and do all of this. And so [00:19:00] I encourage each of you to think, if someone said to you, do what you do, what is it that you do?
And how can you do? And, and just do it. It is not even so much a how, just do it because it is what you do. It's who you are. And by just being that in whatever way, you know, however that looks, it's going to spread and we will become the dominant energy. And it's really like an energetic law
That whatever the dominant energy is, the other energies will start to resonate with. And so, let's be the dominant energy, not in a, you know, dominance kind of sense, but the, most pervasive and most aligned, most coherent, energy.
Out there so that we can help to give to the [00:20:00] other not as coherent, not as, aligned energies something to resonate with.
Tava Baird: Absolutely. And one of the things that I've been noticing as I watch people around me step into their power and find their work is that once they have determined what it is, it takes off. And the reason it takes off is because they started their journey by saying what is needed.
When you walk up to someone in distress or someone in a hospital bed, you don't just start doing stuff. You say, what do you need? And there are things that are community, desperately needs. And if you can provide those, then you are going to find yourself overwhelmed with spiritual tasks really, really quickly.
and Samael actually has something here to say on that. He said, endurance place, endures [00:21:00] be a place of comfort, of balance, of awe, of refuge, be the way others see the divine made. material there were times of forgetting where the singer do not remember you could not tend to the temple. And in those times, the ancestors and angels walked the path and reset the stones.
The birds provided music, the place endured become a place and watch others come to tend to you when it is needed. Visit their creations when you have the resources and soon the temple will become a city, a heaven. This is the nature of heaven. I, [00:22:00]
Jennifer Taylor: wow.
Tava Baird: So if you go, I don't know what my work is, or I, I don't, I don't work with any deity or I don't, that is not a failure on your part.
You have energies that have been building that are unique you, and anything you've created you've planted seeds out there already. It's not in this lifetime, perhaps in a previous one. And if you reach out and become a place of refuge and healing to others around you, that in the times when you can't be there, to tend your own temple, to tend to your own place, the ancestors and the angels will do it for you.
And when you do remember. They will sing out in gratitude, Aoemniva-hra
Jennifer Taylor: Right?
Tava Baird: And then you [00:23:00] contend to their temples as well. And if everyone is creating and looking out for each other and trying to be as in residence in their places as they can be, that is where heaven is not something we have to buy our way into by being some sort of perverted version of purity. Heaven is connection and blessings shared.
Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And everyone knowing and recognizing their divinity and the divinity of everyone and everything else. And I think something that, that popped up for me when you were talking about, you know, when you find that thing and you realize this is your life's work, there's this incredible amount of like momentum and impetus this like [00:24:00]energy rises up and you want to start doing all the things all at once.
And especially if you're me, you know, there's sometimes it's easy to get also overwhelmed with the enormity of it or the idea of, oh my gosh, now I know what I need to do, but it feels. It feels bigger. It might feel bigger than you. You know, like for me, it has felt like,
oh my goodness, this feels so grand and so amazing. And so beyond my wildest dreams of anything I would ever have wanted somebody to tell me was who I am and what I'm capable of, and what I can bring through to the world, that sometimes it's easy for that to then target and start to, provoke those parts of you that are still holding onto, I'm not worthy.
I can't do something this huge.
when you, really start to come face to [00:25:00] face with your magnificence, with the extent to which you are divine and the magnitude of what you can bring through to the world, because you are recognizing that.
Oftentimes there are things that come up in you in that moment that it stirs those really deep things that say, oh no, you're small, you're not that big. and sometimes there's the fear of what happens if I let myself believe this and then I find out I'm wrong? what happens if I try and I fail?
or the things that say this is too much, you can't do that. Or It's too much work, or it's too much time, or you can't do that, along with everything else, or, you know, all those things that tend to pop up. I want everybody to know that it is normal and natural for those things to happen.
It's not a sign that you're not supposed to do it, it's just a recognition of [00:26:00] your humanness and the programming that has been going in since day one and this incarnation and probably lots more before that, that it's not aligned with. so when those things come up, if you can recognize, ah, alright, this isn't a sign, this isn't my deeper knowing, telling me that I'm not capable of this or telling me not to do it.
This is that part of me that's still wounded and that's still confused and still stuck under the, you are not worthy. You know, all the things that cultures and societies tell us we are. And if you are having trouble working through that, you know, reach out to someone who will know and recognize your divinity from the moment you walk in.
You know, somebody that knows that they are divine and that you are as well and will help to bring that out from you. You know, whether it's going to Tava's, Lilith and the [00:27:00] Lost City, workshops, whether it's listening again to some of the podcasts where we assert that yes, you in fact are divine.
You do have a divine purpose. You do have a, a path that is absolutely amazing and that is supported by all of these different aspects of the divine as well. maybe it's an energy healing session. Maybe it's, taking a class with me or listening to some of the songs that I sing that help to release those things or help to transmute those energies or reconnect you.
maybe it's a type of talk therapy or, maybe it's just going for a walk and sitting in the wild and sitting there until you really can feel that connection with everything again. But I encourage you to find that thing or to just keep doing things until you're able to work yourself out of it, because.
it feels so big because you are [00:28:00] really tapping into the fullness of who you are. Like it really takes us all the way back to what Sam, I was saying at the beginning, which was, you think you end at your skin or maybe even the room, but how huge we are. And so sometimes when we start to really recognize how huge we are and what a huge impact we have already without knowing it, it can be a little bit like intimidating of like, whoa, now I need to be really careful about everything that I do.
You know, it can sort of send in, perfectionism or it can kind of tap into whatever the things are that normally, tend to pop up. But there are ways of working through those and letting them go. And it's not always as hard as you think it is. Like sometimes it's simply a matter of having the right moment, hearing the right.
Music or having the right vibration or just the right words. Something that just [00:29:00] shifts things all of a sudden. Or just sitting in a bird song and a bird singing it to you or bringing it through, um, holding a stone that all of a sudden just awakens something in you. So I used to think, oh, I don't have the energy to do that.
All that work, you know, all that shadow work, people always talk about doing shadow work and all this stuff. And it was like, it sounds miserable and like, I don't really wanna spend a big section of my life or big section of my time focusing on this stuff that's gonna feel terrible. But what I think Tava and I have both realized is that some of it feels kind of terrible, but it's so different than the way I'd imagined it would be.
You know? It doesn't have to be this miserable thing. It can just be a Oh, so I'm not all that really. And then stepping into the feeling that's the opposite of that. So it just doesn't have to be a hard, long, miserable thing.
Tava Baird: No, and I mean, if you think like there is nothing, sorry Jen, you [00:30:00] are very special, but there's nothing special about me and Jen.
Right. It's not like we got some sort of special, kiss on the forehead when we were born and boom, we are two women finding our way forward spiritually. Just like all of you all are finding your way forward, spiritually out there. we just happened to decide, through it, we're gonna make a podcast, right?
We just put
Jennifer Taylor: it out there. We just put it out there and listen to,
Tava Baird: and, and what we found is we now have a community that has sprung up around us because of the podcast, and we are connecting to people that we never would've found otherwise. I'll give you another example. I wasn't really gonna talk much about it, but this story really illustrates what Jen just said.
So I paint as a lot of, you know, and I have tried two times to make an Oracle deck in the past. Um, at first I was gonna do a tarot deck, which is, you know, 70 plus paintings, and I think I got about six of them done. And it was such a huge [00:31:00] task. I just kind of stopped doing it. Then I decided I was going to embroider a deck and I think I got a grand total of one of those embroideries done.
And it was one of those things where I was like, I really wanna put out a tool for people, but it just, it wasn't right. I couldn't push through perfectionism required that I had, that was requiring me to. Hint paint and paint or so and so and so and reconsider every little stitch. About two weeks ago, Samael showed up and said, people need tools Umshallah
And I'm like, people have tools. Have you been to a metaphysical store recently? And he said that he, some people needed Lilith oriented tools. And I was like, I don't really know what that is. And he told me I was gonna paint a deck. And I went, yeah, okay. I've tried that before. And he gave me the [00:32:00] names, he told me, get paper and he gave me 44 names.
Straight off, pulled me different ways that the deck was red and told me Start painting. And I'm like, okay, I gotta get down. And he's like, I've never heard of this insistent now. So I grabbed what was closest and easiest and most portable, which was watercolors. Now I have not watercolored in well over a decade, and one of the reasons I don't watercolor is that watercolors run, they move in unpredictable ways.
You can't mix them extremely precisely. at least I don't have the experience to do that. And you know, they show the sketch marks through when you paint and basically I don't have control over them and that scares me. And he told me now. So I got some watercolor paper and I sat down and I had 44 [00:33:00] paintings to do and I started the very first one and I went, oh, the it ran, it's not quite centered, it's got, and he was like, it's done, move.
And I'm like, what do you mean it's done? I have to do it over. No move. he did. He told me the pictures did not matter, that it was the energy of it, that people needed a tool and I needed to get them the tool. And that me sitting there and obsessing over what people might think of my painting skills was serving no one that was really kind of a boot in the butt.
So I started, I was like, okay. And I put one aside thinking maybe I'll try to paint it when he is not looking. Well, of course he's always looking. So I dunno how I thought I was gonna pull that off. Then I did the second one and the second card is actually titled Samael and oh boy, you could see the borders.
I'd drawn the pink ran crazy, the colors weren't quite right. And I was like, no, no, no. This is [00:34:00] you. I have to get it just perfect. And he said, perfect. Never comes. Stop waiting for it. Move. And I put that aside. After about painting five, I started to push through this idea of perfectionism. Started to stop thinking what people would think of me if I were to publish an imperfect book.
When I, on the other side of it, felt like I was painting like a kindergartner, paints just enjoying it, except I didn't have a $2 palette. I had a much like more expensive watercolor palette. It was great. colors were rich. The water float in unpredictable ways, and I took the light watching it run, I started to realize it didn't really matter if something was slightly off to the left.
I was full of joy. I enjoyed the process. I stopped thinking [00:35:00] about what was somebody gonna say when I showed them 44 imperfect paintings? 'cause I didn't have a choice. There was a seraphim not letting me slow down. Ladies and gentlemen, I painted 45 paintings, one for the card back between a Saturday and a Thursday night.
45 watercolors. Had them all scanned, put them into the program to make the cards, and then started the obsession with cropping and editing to try to fix them. Where he kept telling me, no, it is enough moods. Yesterday, I sent it off to the printer for my first sample deck. I am in love with it, unlike anything else that I have ever created.
Because it is imperfect. Because it is flawed. 'cause it is a bare sold, messy project [00:36:00] that is so full of joy and so full of acceptance of my own limitations and broken places, that it is the most Lilith energy thing I have ever touched. And once I hit send yesterday, I just sat there and I thought, oh my God, I love it.
But what have I done? Everyone's gonna think I'm a horrid artist. And Samael Mayel said, well done. Oops, Umshallah. So this is what we are asking you to do while you look for that life's work. Do not be afraid to do it badly. Do not be afraid to be flawed. Do not be afraid that you don't have all the information because perfect never comes and you don't wanna wait your whole life.
Take the manuscript out of the dresser drawer and publish it. Start the metaphysical book club even though you don't know how to lead anything. Just bring some [00:37:00] chocolate chip cookies and some coffee and get a book and start talking. Go out there and do the thing. This incarnation is short and you are needed.
Jennifer Taylor: Yes, absolutely. I had a similar kind of thing happen. I tell you, it is kind of amazing how our lives just parallel each other, the same week I was, about to make music to go along with, TVA's, first Lilith in the Lost City class and It was like the night before she was gonna go do it, I think, or I thought it was, apparently I had an extra day, but I thought it was like immediate.
And I thought, oh my gosh, wait a minute. Do you need music for that? Like, for this, for a mirrors ritual? And she was like, that would, you know, that would be amazing. I was just gonna play one of the other things that you had. And I literally, I had 30 minutes between that moment and when I had to leave to pick up my daughter, and I knew the whole rest of the night there was really gonna be no time.
But I was like, okay, ask Samael [00:38:00] give me prompts. I'm just gonna record something. I'm just gonna channel something and see what happens. So I get up and she, she sends me the prompts. I instantly just, turn off everything, set up the recording and just start going and I sing for like 21 minutes and which was literally right up until the second that I had to leave.
So I sang, hit stop from recording and then ran out the door and. As I did that, it was, it hit me so strongly it was like, you cannot edit this. You are not supposed to edit this. And as I was going along, you know, because I'm channeling it, I don't know exactly where the note is gonna be until it starts coming outta my mouth and I'm like, oh, okay, up here is where it was supposed to be.
And then I would just sing it again after already knowing where that note was gonna be so that I could hit it nicely. And so I was like, well, this will be easy. I'll go back and I'll just, I'll cut out all those parts where I didn't hit the note the first time and then, you know, everybody will just hear me perfectly hitting that note the next [00:39:00] time.
Um, and still not perfectly. but it was like, no, you can't do that because this is music that is supposed to be played when she is asking people to face and accept and love all the parts of themselves that are not perfect and accept that they are imperfect. And the perfection in that.
And I was like, I cannot present something that I have perfected, or I have gone back and made just so to lead people through this, energetically I need to do what we're asking them to do and put themselves into this raw vulnerable. It's wonderful just the way it is kind of place.
And it was a really empowering thing. it was scary and it was empowering. The idea of, I'm gonna put this out there as a demonstration and a walking with you Like, I'm kind of going [00:40:00] first and saying, okay, here are all, the, the kind of mess ups along my way to help people do that.
And I thought it was really good because I've talked about, you know, with putting out albums and I've been recording more and more things and more and more songs and I've started just being like, good enough. Like I like the energy of it, it feels the way I want it to feel. And just putting it on band camp and going, oh my gosh, I recorded that an hour ago and it is now up for the world to see and buy and download.
And then, yeah, the same thing that you were talking about of like, once you hit send of, oh, what's the world gonna think? it's like I know the whole story of it's imperfection and why that's a great thing, but. What if, what if one of the people that I know that are really into music listened to it and they're like, wow, like that is so off key.
Or that that note is so flat. How did she put that out there? And all of those [00:41:00] fears started coming in, but it's like, you know, if I do that, if I wait and I do what like Coldplay does, you know, with an album, and then, then there's like a team of people going through and s sifting it with a fine tooth comb and fixing all the little things and making everything just right.
And this is not an insult. I love Coldplay. I love Coldplay. Um, but the idea of like, you know what, what a professional artist usually does is has a team of mixers and masters going through and making sure everything is exactly right and amplifying just the right things. And I mean, it is an incredible art and what they do is amazing.
But I don't have time. If I do that, I might get 10 songs out in the next year. And people need this now. They need this energy. Yeah. I want people, you know, and I'm, I'm constantly creating for instances, you know, tava going in these workshops or these things that I know about, or a friend's, family member is dying and needs the help [00:42:00] and.
It, it felt, it's funny because I realized it's exactly like, I think Michael, even though I don't hear him the way that you hear Samael, I think it's the same thing. I think Michael is doing the same thing going, no, it's good enough. Put it out there. People need it. These are tools. They're never going to get it if you sit back in a place of perfection and waiting for that.
And I loved, I actually wrote it down how you were saying that. Sam said, perfect, never comes, stop waiting for it. And I wrote that down and underlined it. I'm like, I'm gonna put that on everything.
Tava Baird: and it, I have to tell you, I took that music out there and I said to the women who were in my workshop, and it was funny, the workshop was supposed to be like three hours and bless all of them.
We were still doing Lilith after five and everybody was going strong and it was an incredible experience. Um, but we went upstairs to do the four mirrors ritual and I explained, [00:43:00] I said, the music is from Jennifer Taylor and we had several podcast listeners in the group, and there was someone there who hadn't heard the podcast before and they said, oh, Jennifer Taylor.
And someone else said, oh, she has the voice of an angel. And I started laughing and I was like, well, we definitely have angels around her. That's for certain. And I explained, I said, this was one take. It was at the, my request. It is not edited. It may have flaws, it may have imperfections, but do you know what it is?
It's what I like to call BLE Big Lilith energy. It is, let's open our mouths and raise our voices and sing full throated and accept the fact that we are imperfect, but that doesn't exclude us from being divine. And everybody said, oh, we wouldn't want it edited. We wouldn't want it. This is perfect. And [00:44:00] we took it upstairs and played it as each of these women walked through the ritual and had their personal time with Lilith.
And I did the guided meditation through the four mirrors. And there were a lot of, there was a lot of crying. Um, I set the stage so beautifully, I mean, to have, and I remember standing in front of the altar and I said, an altar to Lilith is an altar to yourself. And we had roses there and a statue of Lilith and all the poppets that everyone had made and our little red flameless candles.
'cause we were in a 17 hundreds building and we didn't wanna burn the place to the ground. and the incense going, and your music making a sacred space of this. And I thought this could not be more perfect. There is no. More perfect music than this for this moment. So we will put in the notes if you guys would like to download the Lilith ritual music.
It [00:45:00] is extremely empowering and, it's going to be played at rituals all over the place over the next year or so.
Jennifer Taylor: Yep. And it was really interesting. So the instructions were to channel Samael Lilith, Archangel Michael, and I guess it's Archangel Gabriel. I tend to go back and forth between saying that.
So it was Samael Lilith, Michael and Gabriel, and it was a wild experience. It was like they were all singing together through me, but then they would each sort of take the mic for a moment and kind of, sing a little bit more in the front and everybody supporting them, and then another one would kind of take the lead and then a different one.
It was a really unique experience doing that. I, I don't think I've ever channeled knowingly four different, beings at once. and something occurred to me when you were talking, I was like, I don't know exactly how we do this, and maybe we just turn on comments for the [00:46:00] podcast, but I would love to have it, us have a space where everybody shares their.
Imperfect perfection. Things like, oh, a poem that you've written that you just love, that, you know, it hasn't been you know, perfectly edited, it hasn't done all these things. A, a drawing that you made, um, a, a song that you sang, just a way that you organized a part of your house that you're proud of.
You know, just something like, show us and share with us and a way that you can put out there something that's like, I love this, this is me being me, and I'm embracing that it's imperfect because, you know, Teva and I automatically have easy ways of being like, you know, I'm gonna create it and put it out there.
And there's something so empowering about that. But not everybody necessarily has that kind of outlet. And to have a space where we could all share [00:47:00] and validate each other's sharing would be amazing.
Tava Baird: So, I don't know if this is helpful, but, I now have a, a to bear Discord channel that has, and it's actually being run by some students for me at Shenandoah University who monitor it when I can't be there.
But I know there are a lot of people moving to Discord now, and it's a place you can post pictures, you can post recordings, you can post comments. We could literally make, I think already on there, I know there's a branch. They've made it called Demonic Craft Circle, which is all Lilith, ritual stuff.
But I could get them to start a channel that says, like, we can call it whatever we want. The, you know, Lilith, chairing circle or something like that. And if people wanted to post things on the top of Baird, channel under that, then I can give you access to it, Jen. And yeah, that might be an easy way for everybody to do it.
Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And it sounds, it's already exists. It sounds like a, a good kind of safe space to do that because I was thinking, I wanna make sure that it's, it's a [00:48:00] safe space where people feel like they can share that. And it's a place where it's going to be honored and we can honor and see and witness each other doing these brave things because there is something really powerful about witnessing each other and being witnessed, and doing it.
I, I'm so excited about that. Yeah. And I'll just have to find out how to Discord.
Tava Baird: Yeah. And I'm not all that
Jennifer Taylor: in there.
Tava Baird: I think I put it under Tava Bear. I might have put it under Dark Flower, but here's what I'll do in the show notes. I will put a link to the Discord Channel and tell you what I'm gonna do is get on, and let the people who, do my, uh.
they go through and make sure nobody's being nasty and stuff and filter stuff out. And they also, you know, put things into different categories and stuff. For me, I'll get on this evening and ask them to create a category specifically for this, and in the show notes we will put a link to it. So if you would [00:49:00] like to share, you can jump right on and put it there and Jen and I will see it.
Jennifer Taylor: That would be so amazing. And I, I do wanna make a little note because I realize we are so used to this word at this point and we are so used to a different understanding that I know she used the word, demons. craft circle. Yeah, craft circle. It is not what you think it is. No. There Sam has given it is a completely different understanding.
Just like he's given us a completely different understanding of just about everything else. It is not at all what you think it is. It's all good.
Tava Baird: It's all good.
Jennifer Taylor: Think of like how we now understand the difference of a fallen angel. Same kind of thing. So I just wanted to put that out there in case somebody's like, yes.
Wait, wait. What?
Tava Baird: Do not let it scare you. Don't freak
Jennifer Taylor: out. Don't freak out. We're not talking
Tava Baird: about things. It, it's actually a word we're trying to reclaim sort of in the way that, we reclaim the word witch. so many of us are demonized by our society. We're [00:50:00] told we are. Too young, too old, too thin, too fat,
we belong in one particular gender, that we belong in one particular role, that we're always being put in these boxes and we shouldn't have to live in boxes. Samael and Lilith talk at length about the acceptance of everyone for who they are living in a concept of and not, or, and so a lot of times in my Lilith classes, I will say something like, hello all you little demons.
And by that I don't mean that you are popping out from under people's beds and dragging them, you know, into the fiery depths of some inferno. What I mean by that is that these are people who have been demonized by society, yet we are still divine. And the oracle deck in a whole bunch of new writings are about to come out [00:51:00] that explain all of this from Sam a's point of view,
The idea of fallen angels and demons and devils and all that. A lot of those concepts are created by earthly men in order to maintain power, in order to have something to threaten people with. You know, think about how, whenever someone tries to speak up against the powers that be, how quickly people are called witches and devil worshipers, right?
That's, it's a tool, it's a weapon used to keep people down. And so when I say something like demonic craft circle, it's tongue in cheek. It means that people who have been demonized or feel demonized came together to make something lovely and fun and reclaim their own power from those who would put them down.
So, I know it's a hard word to get past, but I have a feeling we're probably gonna be talking about this on an upcoming podcast soon. So
Jennifer Taylor: yeah, thank you for that explanation, because I knew, I was like, wait a [00:52:00] minute. This is one of those things that I know at least certain listeners will hear and go, oh no, okay.
I have, I've crossed over, I knew I'd gone off the path, or this is, you know, I was like, just didn't want that to throw anybody off or freak anybody out because it's a new Exactly. Understanding. It's a new concept. It takes a while to get, you know, just like fallen angel. Yeah. It takes a while to get. You know, to kind of reorient around this new way of using it.
Tava Baird: Yeah, I, I mean if you think about it, so Sam ael, who listeners, if you've gotten this far in the podcast, you know him very well by now. He is a teacher, he is a protector, he is a guide, he is calm. He very much wants what is best for us and sees all of us as sacred. but you think what the, that the world says he's the king of demons, right?
So that gives you an idea of the shift we're looking at here. Yeah. How can someone like, [00:53:00] you know, Samael is one of those people just like Lilith, well people, one of those entities just like Lilith, who was demonized so that those in power could stay in power. And, um, we don't believe these awful things about them and we don't believe them about you.
Jennifer Taylor: Exactly. Well, I believe, but I think it might be time to s sing. Yeah, I think it is. Time to sing. let's see. I am feeling inviting Archangel Michael. I have this just sweet, warm, fuzzy image of that, first time together and I'm gonna invite him to come through and bring through the energy.
That he brought to me in that moment to everyone else to help them to feel that comfort and blessing. And, if I can do it without crying,
Tava Baird: I know now I'm gonna cry. It's gonna be the end of the [00:54:00] podcast's. Gonna get on that phone call after this with my friend and be like, and then I'm gonna, it's gonna take a lot of explaining.
Um,
Jennifer Taylor: alright, so, I look forward to, hearing and feeling and seeing what comes through as well. So here we go.
All right.[00:55:00] [00:56:00] [00:57:00]
Tava Baird: Oh my goodness. All right. Some words to go with that beautiful song before the those of it fade. The temple is open, children temple is open. There is much to learn. And once you have visited, you yourself will have much to teach each of you as a sacred vessel. You landed here. When set to work you create, you will learn to walk between worlds, and you may repeat this again and again and again.
Pass the song through the streets. Our hearts and voices are open. Our hearts and voices are one stone by stone, flower by flower. We will build altars to [00:58:00] divine and inclusion. We will seek metatron's patterns together. We will gather the outcast in our arms. Hear the ancestors, the angels, the gods. The temple is open.
The singer is returned.
Jennifer Taylor: Well, thank you.
Tava Baird: I really wish we were sponsored by Kleenex right now.
Jennifer Taylor: Oh, could use some. Yeah, it was, it was really interesting. When I was singing, I, I didn't realize that I was singing basically the Aoemniva-hra until I started going, but I was like, this doesn't sound like the way that I, I say the word now. Or, or even the way that Samael had said the word and I was like, I wonder if this really [00:59:00] is the original way that he had said, 'cause it was, oh, Eva.
Yeah.
Not like O Nevada or a O Nevada. And I was like, yeah, I wonder if like, that's how. Like that was the original sort of way that it was said. And then I kind of as kids do, you know, I kind of put it in my own words and I mean, felt so good.
Tava Baird: He says it's, you know, it's changed over time as people added their own accents and their own words and their own backgrounds to it.
It took me a minute to realize you were singing it too, because it sounded so different from the first song. Yeah. And I was like, and then I realized, I was like, that's it again. And then I thought, oh my God, you could probably do an entire album. That was just that word in different contexts. And, you know, that would be, I, I just [01:00:00] loved it.
I really loved it.
Jennifer Taylor: Thank you.
Tava Baird: Um, we hope today's episode has been helpful to some of you. And, uh, yeah. Jen, you're still upright, so I'm super proud of you.
Jennifer Taylor: Thank you. I feel even better way, way better than I did before all of this. I feel like this has just helped to kind of shore me up, and give me exactly what I needed to really step into this even more fully.
And I feel like I'm like, ready to go, boy, let's, throw open the doors of the temple and you start, start welcoming people in. I am really excited and I am also super excited to see all the different things that you as listeners are going to share with us in this Discord [01:01:00] group. I really look forward to getting to, share this experience of putting out there these things that we recognize are imperfect and loving them, loving them even more for it.
Tava Baird: I will start, I will, once the group is opened, I will post one of my imperfect oracle deck paintings, uh oh. Nice. Unedited for balance, you know, flaws and all. I will post a couple of the images that were painted for the deck, and start the group off that way.
Jennifer Taylor: Awesome.
Tava Baird: And, again, take a peek in the, note section for the link to that discord and also a link to Jen's Lilith, for mirrors ritual recording.
If you would like to listen to that.
Jennifer Taylor: yeah, and let's put a link in there too to your Lilith in the Lost City, like where people Oh yes, yes. Maybe just take them straight to the signup [01:02:00] for that because yes, it's not always super easy to find and that would just make it easier for, make it easier to go down this path with you.
Tava Baird: Yes, there will be a mini Lilith and Lost City philosophy discussion. Um, I think it's in November, up in Frederick. I'll be doing a whole weekend of Lilith at, mystic Fire, which you can sign up for@mysticfire.org, which is an incredible Pagan retreat just north of Charlottesville, the weekend before Thanksgiving.
And, Lilith and the Lost City will be coming to Richmond, at the end of the winter. and we'll be doing follow up classes to the original at the Blue Ball Inn on the Oracle deck. And, protecting your energy and all sorts of other fun Lilith things, dates, TBA.
Jennifer Taylor: All right. Well go out there in the world and be your divine self.
Perfectly imperfectly.
Tava Baird: Yes, hail Lilith and [01:03:00] hail all of you as well. Thank you so much for tuning in, guys. We'll see you next week.