Un-Embodied Beings, Boundaries and Balance

In this captivating episode, Tava Baird and Jennifer Taylor unpack Samael's messages describing humans as walking around in a sea of energies and entities.  The discussion covers who and what is around us all of the time, as well as how to best filter these energies, as opposed to blocking them.  Hosts also dive into the ways in which these energies and entities can affect electronics and the home environment, and possible methods of mitigating the effects of their spontaneous manifestation.  An important realization is shared, around the ways in which energy workers, pagans and others may be inadvertently blocking the very beings what would support and ground their energies and work. Intermingled with personal stories and experiences, this episode will be sure to capture your interests as well as adjust your perspectives on the world around you.

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Transcript

Jennifer Taylor: [00:00:00] Good morning, Tava Baird. 

Tava Baird: Good morning, Jennifer Taylor. As I was telling you earlier, before we jumped on, it's a pajama cast for me today. 

Jennifer Taylor: You have the nicest pajamas. I was like, I love your shirt. She is like, they're pajamas. 

Tava Baird: for those of you who aren't currently in your pajamas, I wish you a little bit of extra love today because being in your pajamas in late October is a great thing.

Um, but there comes a point, you know how like there's that time you need to do laundry and you don't have any pajama shirts, so you put on a t-shirt that isn't really a pajama shirt, but now it's become pajama shirt and after that you can't wear it out of the house because like it's switched teams. 

Yep, 

that's what I'm wearing.

It was a shirt at one point that was an actual go out in public shirt, but at some point it jumped the barrier on a I need to do laundry day and now it is [00:01:00] forever doomed to the pajama patrol. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. One of my favorite pajama shirts is that why 

Tava Baird: So 

it is definitely fallout. It is windy. It is, chilly. It's going to be think 36 degrees tomorrow morning. Our first frost is here and you can feel the wheel of the year turning. Woo. Boy. Can you feel it? I was at the ravenwood fair this weekend and there was a tornado warning and some crazy high winds to the point that my tables were levitating.

It was either from the wind or from the sheer number of spirit dice readings I was doing. Um, we're gonna go with wind. 

Jennifer Taylor: You never can tell for sure. 

Tava Baird: You never can tell for sure. listeners, I was telling Jen too, how I had this whole table of black mirrors and this big picture frame that had a Li Lithian black [00:02:00] moon mirror blessing framed in it.

And everything else in my booth was going sideways and the mirrors were just like anchors. And it was the strangest thing. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. They weren't 

Tava Baird: going anywhere. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. She was saying that, uh, she had put so much magic and things in that, that it was like, this must be doing something because I mean, those would be the first things to fall over.

Like Yeah. First things they have all that surface area. They're not that heavy. It's like big sails. And yet, you know, I think you were saying like tarot decks were flying off. Yeah. Little things. Yeah. Which are small. Don't have a lot of, surface area to catch the wind and yeah, they're flying off.

But the mirrors are still the same mirrors were 

Tava Baird: just like, and the table underneath them, I was like watching the whole tent was vibrating and I'm just watching the mirrors just shake and n none of them were moving. And I went, woo. 

Jennifer Taylor: Very interesting. 

Tava Baird: [00:03:00] Somebody's watching out for those. I'm just picturing, you know, if I can see if I could see my tent differently that there's like a whole bunch of unbodied spirits going, no, no, don't let these fall.

We have more to say up guys. 

Jennifer Taylor: This is our chance. Don't let these fall. She's outta 

Tava Baird: spirit. 

Jennifer Taylor: Only 

Tava Baird: way 

Jennifer Taylor: we 

Tava Baird: can messages across in this place. Yeah, man. Almost made me, it was, and it was funny, the number of people who, have had really powerful experiences with black mirrors that would come into the tent. Some would come in and they would just give them a wide ber and I'd go, so what happened to you?

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, that's an entire area. I realized when I was at the booth with you, ATS Spiritual Wonders Fair. Yes, that was the first time you had had them up? When [00:04:00] I was around and saw 'em, and really, your books are pretty much my only experience with it. But I was like, I'm gonna have to ask her about those.

Tava Baird: I was gonna say, do you wanna sing first and then we can talk a little spirit communication? Or do you Sure. Wanna, yeah, because I, man, could I use some of your music? I am having the most glorious, spooky season. just so many wonderful, wonderful things, um, that my physical body can't quite keep up and I'm bouncing along on all these waves of magic, and I could really use some Jente voice here.

Jennifer Taylor: All right. Well, I will see what I can do. It'll be interesting to see what comes through this morning. We have not had even a second of talking about it, so we'll just, we'll find out and see. 

Tava Baird: All right.

[00:05:00] [00:06:00] [00:07:00] [00:08:00]

Tava Baird: Oh my goodness, Samuel is actually topical today. 

Jennifer Taylor: Wow. Or maybe we, how often on, maybe we were tapping into the right topic today. 

TAVA TAVA: I was gonna say, how often does this happen? Uh, almost never. Um, what I found interesting about this message is that he started off with good morning singer, not Good Morning me , but I don't get a, I didn't put a nod.

He just goes right to you. Yeah. And not only that, but he talks about me in the third person. Well having a conversation with you. So I don't know if I've disappointed him in some way. I get the feeling. So [00:09:00] when I am doing these events, especially if I have my spirit dice on site.

when I was at, uh, Ravenwood all weekend, I spent a lot of time speaking with people about very metaphysical topics and um, I think at times Samuel feels like there's less of my attention on him while I'm speaking on things that he has information about. And I'm just going from one conversation to the next.

So I think, I don't know if, I don't think he's out of sorts, but I think there's definitely a little bit of a look at what she's doing here, as he says. Good morning singer. This one, she runs and runs and runs. Let us discuss what is being run through at this time. Energy is all around you. [00:10:00] Vibration and some of those vibrations are emitted by beings that wish to speak to the embodied.

And some of the entities have energy here. Do not wish to speak. When you sing, you flow more than in regular speech . It's closer to the source. It allows energies of the unbodied to locate that which is familiar, like a light in the window, like a ship plotting a lighthouse at sea, with sea is all around.

You sing to send out a beacon and the unbodied. Both speaking and non-speaking may arrive.

I'm finding this interesting in light of, so last week I went [00:11:00] with, some of the other volunteers from the Blue Ball in 1747, um, to our local library to Samuel's Library, um, out in front Royal Virginia to talk about the history and the hauntings of the blue ball in. And we had, uh, someone in the audience raise their hand and they also approached me afterwards and said, you know, um, do you think any of the any of the ghosts followed you here?

And if so, will they follow me home? And I realized that I have a very different perspective from, uh, working with Samael over this past year on what, what unbodied things are around us than perhaps a lot of people do. I think a lot of people think that spirits are a [00:12:00] rare thing, but they only show up in certain places at certain times for certain reasons that they're only there because they're trapped there, because they didn't get taken somewhere else.

And so they think that their house is completely free of any sort of visitor, unbodied visitor, and that they're walking through the grocery store and going to the gas station and sitting in a meeting at work, and that all of those spaces are empty that. Having an unbodied visitor is an anomaly. Samael else sees it differently.

He sees that we are immersed in a constant sea of energies and that many, many of those energies either have feelings or have thoughts or are a part [00:13:00] a fragment of an entity that has thoughts that you can be in multiple places at once. I know Samael talks about that he can do that, and we've seen evidence of that happening too when Keith went out to visit his mom and we knew he was in the room there, but he was also in the room with me.

And so instead, most of us are walking sort of blind through what is in fact a sea of things. When you look at the surface of the water, it looks like there's nothing there. But if you go under the surface, you see that the ocean is full of life. the currents are constantly moving and there are plants and animals and things beyond our wildest dreams down there in the depths.

And Samael's view of what we're doing here is very much like we're sort of swimming with [00:14:00] our eyes closed, but around us there is this rich tapestry of entities that come and go. I know a lot of times I will be sitting in a booth in a field at some sort of event. And I pull out a spirit dice or I pull out black mirrors and people are like, this is just a field and an event.

And I'm like, you have land entities here. You probably have ancestors that check on you regularly that are following you around. There are, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people here. This is a gathering space right now. And where you have the living, you also, or the embodied, you also have the unbodied.

You have God's checking in and angels dropping in and through it all is floating music and [00:15:00] vibration and light and all of these aspects. We just can't see it. And so people are always surprised when they come into my booth and we sit down and a loved one reaches out in the middle of, you know, a ren fair and delivers a message to them.

And they just stand there in my tent, like with their mouths open and their eyes wide going, oh my God. And I'm like, they're around you all the time. we just can't see them. So there's that shift there from that idea of, is something gonna follow me home, baby, they've already followed you home.

They come and go. They circle around. They all have their work and their business. And in some cases, part of their work and their business is you, especially if they knew you. Or you do something that is [00:16:00] welcoming to them. And just like, you know, I think we also have this idea, especially if you watch a lot of like, you know, paranormal shows that every ghost that you encounter is there because of some sort of tragedy or you know, some sort of sinister reason.

But just like in the world of the embodied, yes we have tragedies and we have people with, you know, negative or motivations that aren't for our highest good. There are strangers, there are things unknown. There are people who crave power rather than connection. All those things exist in the unseen world just like they do here.

But that, just like here, they're not the dominant force, right? So you have to be care. Like, just like we would be careful when we walk into a party and we don't know anybody about how we introduce ourselves and where our boundaries are and who we decide to [00:17:00] move off into another room and have a conversation with.

It's the same thing with the unseen, you know? But a lot of the entities here are simply walking through or parts of them are walking through 'cause they're not necessarily confined to one energetic space. And a lot of them are looking in on you with interest, with curiosity, with loneliness, where they just wanna speak or with, 

Jennifer Taylor: I think it's really interesting that he was saying what he was saying about what happens when I sing and that, it's like sending out a beacon and lots of beings are gathering and there are lots of beings around me.

Um, because I feel like I've had more of those kinds of experiences again, you know, last. Was it last week I had, a client and as I was getting ready for it, I [00:18:00] sat down and I was so proud of myself, I'd given myself extra time and it really was like really setting this space. and I was going to be recording on a separate recording software like that through the Good Sound System.

And having the Zoom going and the recording wouldn't work. It was saying things couldn't connect. like all sorts of weird things were happening. And I was like, oh, this is not the time to have some sort of computer glitch. And the next thing you know, the fire alarms go off.

Wow. And so the fire alarm's going off and it's yelling, fire, fire, you know, get outta the house fire. And so I jump up and I'm running around the house trying to find the fire. And of course within, what was probably actually 30 seconds, but it felt like forever it stopped and there was no fire.

And I came back in and I was like, alright, come on now. Spirits like you cannot do that. Like you can't use this as a way of getting my attention because [00:19:00] this seems to be their favorite sort of way of doing things is setting off our fire alarms and typically in the middle of the night and scaring the dickens out of our daughter who like leaps from her loft thinking the house is on fire and gets hurt.

And I was like, all right, everybody out of the house there's a space in the garden, get in the garden, but I cannot do this. And it was like, I kind of got the sense of Like they know that I'm gonna be opening up. They know there's gonna be a lot of high, high vibration energy and.

They were, I, I think kind of coming in for that. And I'm like, but this is not your session and I can't do this session for this person with all this interference. And if, you know, if the computers aren't working and the fire alarm is going off, I can't do the healing that you are anticipating.

Like, it can't even happen. 

Tava Baird: If 

Jennifer Taylor (2): you're setting off the fire alarms and you know these things are happening, please everybody go to the garden. I [00:20:00] promise I will give you a session and we will figure out what you need, but I I can't do it now and this is setting things off and if you respect this, I will do it.

I'm not gonna give you what you want unless you respect that I need this space. And as soon as I did that, everything started working again. the sound system , everything, electronics started working again and I'd set the stage and, went into the session and then I went to the garden.

It, it took me a day or two because it was really, really busy. And I was like, okay, you know, I, I apologize for the delay. I'm here. And I felt like what I was getting, or at least in that moment, it was ancestors that wanted to talk to me and tell me something. And I'm like, okay, well this is really good and I, I really appreciate it and we've gotta figure out how to stop setting off the fire alarms.

And then when I was talking to Keith about it last night, I was like, [00:21:00] I wonder if they don't have the kind of finesse yet to be able to like moderate the amount of energy or presence to where when they're around, it happens sort of by accident. It's like they hit the trip wires and it's like their

energy is so strong that it's interfering with things and they're not meaning to, it's just what happens with their presence. But maybe they don't have the level of experience of working with the embodied and figuring out how to regulate their energy to not mess these things up. So I'm like, I feel bad for getting mad, but I'm like, the fire alarms just gotta stop going off.

And I saw you writing during all that, so I'm very interested to see what, uh, was coming through. 

Tava Baird: Interesting. Because as you were talking about that, Samuel said, what is the element of fire? So, and I think we both sort of arrived at the same place in our head. Okay. So when you look at a [00:22:00] magic circle, right?

You've got air, earth, fire, and water. And at least in, so we probably said this before, but some witchcraft traditions put fire in the south, others put it in the east. I was taught to put it in the south. And that fire is essentially a manifesting transformative force, right? Fire takes things from one state and makes them something else.

It is a, like when you use sigils a lot of times to release the power of the sigil, you burn the, the character that you've made in a flame. Okay? like in my novels, you'll notice the southern tribe. That's, the transformative state. That's where the magician character's house lays.

That's where the Morgan's children are. Like all of this. It's the connection of [00:23:00] above and below the as above. So below it is the bringing through of things, and that is all represented by fire. And Samael then said a place to manifest. He said, your home is a fragile system, that you have tons of energy coming in 'cause you're on a mountaintop, but there's tons of things moving around you that you do lots of power raising and shifting and moving there.

And he said, just along the lines of what you were talking about, I'm wondering if when they are coming in, if they're accidentally tripping things with their sort of manifestation, if they're opening a gate and in doing that, that's setting off the fire alarm. Think about when the fire alarm goes off. It goes off a lot at night when you're dreaming.

And we know that you have a tendency to travel in your [00:24:00] dreams quite a lot, right? And sometimes it tends to come around right around sessions as well, right? When energy is getting prepared and things may be coming in, stuff is shifting. So I'm wondering if we, we have been talking about, oh my gosh, they have to stop setting off the fire alarm.

Like they're doing it intentionally. But there is a very good chance that it's unintentional, that you are simply at those times, there's an energy shift as they sort of manifest in this new location, and there's already so much energy flowing on your mountaintop and around your studio that it literally, boom.

Fire, fire, fire, fire, fire manifesting. Right? and off it goes. Um, this reminds me of something question I actually asked Samael over the weekend. So [00:25:00] the, the best selling thing in my booth at this time of year are I do hand painted sets of spirit dice, And I have a little signup that says, ask for a demo.

And people come in and I show them how to use the dice and invariably we end up in a conversation with the spirit, right? 'cause like, at the event that I was at this weekend, at some of the events where I go, it's loaded with psychics and I'm not the only person talking to an entity.

But in this particular situation, I most likely was the only one around who was, you know, sort of open for business, for anybody to come through. We were getting lots and lots of rules of more than one spirit in the room. more than one spirit in the room because they wanted to talk. but one of the things I've noticed with the spirit sessions is that, the messages start off really clear and we get really good stuff.

Then sometimes when I go, [00:26:00] okay, I think we better wrap up. People go, can I just ask one more question? Can I just ask one more question? Because I mean, of course they're going to, they are getting messages sometimes from loved ones who have passed on. My friend who vends with me says that I need to just keep one of those family sized boxes of tissues in my vending booth because people stand in my booth and cry.

Um, and I'm like, yeah, I'm the life of the party at this market. There's all these people staggering out of my booth with like tears, you know? But anyway, I digress. I started noticing that when they started pushing to the, can I ask one more question? Can I ask two more questions? We started getting these garbled responses and I said to Sam Iel, why is that?

He'd said, well, it's hard for the entities to move the dice, like physically and energetically. They're putting their all [00:27:00] into helping manipulate the energy around the person that they're trying to communicate with around me. And in some cases, they're trying to physically move those dice themselves. And Unbodied entities don't have that level of energy a lot of times.

So they're having an emotional moment too. They're trying to physically affect things, and so over time they get tired. And the person who wants to go for the 20th, yes or no role, the, the spirit's just outta gas, sort of like us. At the end of the day, they're just out of gas. They don't manipulate energy that well over time.

They need a break. And so what ends up happening is at a certain point, they are no longer in control of the dice and they're just there. Right? And what I have to learn to do when I'm talking to these people is when I get that [00:28:00]impulse of spirit is done to say to that person when they go, can I just ask three more questions for me to say I wouldn't push it right now, right?

Like. Go home, take some time, maybe try some automatic writing, maybe try to communicate there. I'm back next weekend, didn't see me, you know, whatever it is. But they want that connection so badly that a lot of times we're exhausting the spirits and we start to get these unintentional byproducts because they're not operating as well as we would like them to.

They're tired. And I'm also wondering if some of your fire alarms and things like this too are exactly what you said. Spirits traveling to come and visit in a dream or visit in a session, and they come through and they're making their presence known and [00:29:00] they're staying in a place and they're unintentionally tripping things because they can't keep their energies sustained long and targeted that long.

So I I, and I'm like, oh yeah, I just need to tell people spirit's done right. And um, and I'm thinking that especially if, at your house where we know energy swirls, I'm also wondering, since you have you guys go out to the garden and get your energy there, I'm wondering if you made a place specifically for them to manifest there, if it would help.

So instead of them trying to come through in your room or come through in your studio, or come through in the house, if some of them might be able to say, this is a little circle in the backyard, I'm gonna aim for this. And maybe if you go out and [00:30:00] sing. We know those stones hold energy, right?

If you make a place that can hold your energy out there, maybe they can aim for that on their travels rather than hopping into your basement in the middle of the night and making everything go. Fire, fire, fire. 

Jennifer Taylor: So it's really interesting that you say that because this last week, like you've been so busy with all the stuff you were doing and with the affairs.

I haven't even bothered to Marco about it 'cause I know things were just crazy. But 

Tava Baird: yeah, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): the big thing that was happening this week, sort of in our household was the idea of changing up the garden and shifting things up. And I really had this strong feeling of changing the top two beds that which are lined with stones, big stones, and turning them into a, stone circle.

And I kept thinking, wow. And [00:31:00] I felt like part of the message then that was coming through was, it's time to change, it's time to shift the way that things have been here. , because there was a lot of talk about, you know, we don't have enough physical energy or ability to care for all of these garden beds anymore.

And things are getting all overgrown and how do we keep this space something beautiful and filled with nature and that feeds nature and that we don't go down there and just feel guilty. But, you know, granddaddy Lyle's not going, uh, dude, we can't sit and talk 'cause we gotta, you gotta work.

You, you know, we, we gotta start clearing out these beds. You gotta weed. You know, how do we do that? And I was thinking, I would love to have a, a stone circle. Maybe we could try to make that out of some of the stones in some of the beds and then there's less to care for and there's a stone circle.

Yes. Then you're talking about that. I'm like really? I mean within less than a week of all of that that [00:32:00] you're saying make a circle. And I was, I was wondering, so when you were talking about having them aim for that, would the idea be that's where all of the communication takes place? Or that sort of like the landing pad when maybe where the initial burst of manifestation energy happens and then there's sort of a trail up to the house where they can come up and work with me in the studio.

They can work with me in the dreams or whatever's happening. But there the landing zone is outside. 

Tava Baird: Yes. I think that would be incredible is if that's the place, because right now they're gonna aim for where is the area that most of the energy flows in and out of in your house. It's where you're sitting right now.

You sing there, you move there. We do power of story there. You instruments, which are loaded with energy or in that room, that room is full of crystals. It is full of, you know, it's a, the sacred space of your house, it's the main one. So that room is [00:33:00] acting like a stone circle right now. You know, you even make stone circles around you on the floor.

Yeah. In your healing sessions. So if you are an entity trying to locate you to come and speak with, in energetic space, you're gonna aim for that fricking room. 'cause that appears to be the nexus. That's where the sound that they recognize comes out of. There's her voice, there's her vibration. That's where I'm going.

But if there was a place outside that you spent time in and sang in regularly, then I'm wondering if we might get more of a balance. Between the indoor and the outdoor space, though in wintertime you may still go haywire because obviously you're not gonna be standing outside singing in 10 degree weather, in the mountains of Virginia.

But I'm wondering if that was set up to be a [00:34:00] space for when you went down there to meditate for when, you know, you did, if you did painting, you did it in the circle. If you, put things out for them, you do it in the circle if you aimed there, if it might be a little bit of a balance to the house, so that at least some of them are aiming for that.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, that's, that's really interesting. 

Tava Baird: the other 

Jennifer Taylor (2): thing that I felt like was totally, and maybe the reason that he was saying singer and he was directly addressing this was not so much as a slight to you, but as a, making sure that I got that this was really directed at me because, yeah.

The other thing that I've realized is, so Keith was gone, um, to be with his mother during surgery and he was gone for 3 nights. And those three nights I slept so much more peacefully. I felt more grounded. I had really active dreams, [00:35:00] but it wasn't the intensity of the dreams that I've been having now for, gosh, a long time now.

It's like my dreams have just become so intense that it's kind of exhausting and it felt more like balanced. It was like, they were still very vivid and very active, but I, I felt like grounded in it. And there was a dream that 

I was asking Michael like, were you with me last night? Because there was a dream about, and it had to do with you and Keith and something that I had to do for your vehicle. And there was this whole thing and there was numbers again and all these things. And I was like, okay Michael, were you guiding my dreams last night?

Were you guiding me to do this? And I was getting no. And I was like, well were you there with me? Because I feel like he's always there with me, and i felt like i got , yes. But it was kind of like his attention was diverted elsewhere. he wasn't guiding the dreams. And it basically, it came down to Crone, the Keeper of the Stones, keeper of Amnivara, the little nature spirit that we talked about in the last podcasts .

[00:36:00] That she was the one basically to ask about what was going on in the dream. So I came into the studio and I spoke with her and she said something about, you know, it's not really accurate to say that I was guiding your dreams, but I was supporting you in them and I was supporting them.

And what I got was that she had been coming and helping to ground me and support me in my dream so that when I am doing this work and doing this traveling, it's not as intense. And I felt more grounded and solid and I slept more peacefully because it was weird. I don't normally sleep well when he's gone.

Like normally him being gone is very unsettling and I have a harder time sleeping. . And I had this thought. 'cause he does a lot of the kind of preparation for the bed, like in bed, you know, creating the space and holding the space and kind of like warding it. And I thought, I wonder.

If [00:37:00] she hasn't been able to get in based on the kinds of barriers that he's putting up. 

Oh, and 

I got the feeling when I was talking to her that she had not been able to come to me except when he was gone because he wasn't there doing that. It wasn't the lack of his presence, but he wasn't setting up those things.

Just like when we were at, the fertile ground gathering. And I felt like I couldn't hear Michael and I was kind of freaking out. 'cause I'm like, we're about to do this whole channel thing and I feel like I can't hear him. And I spoke with one of the people and basically, we were thinking like maybe in that space it had been warded by so many people with so many different kinds of beliefs and thoughts and understandings that it was possible that there were all these layers.

That even though he's an archangel, it was actually keeping him out because it was a very pagan, you know, gathering. And there are a lot of people who maybe had religious trauma [00:38:00] and something in what they were setting up was causing an interference. And so he worked with me and was so kind and generous and worked energetically through the wardings , he was like making this opening specifically for Michael to be able to come through more clearly.

And by the time we were done, I could hear his sword ringing in my ears again. And I could hear that and I thought, I wonder if it's the same kind of thing where he's not intentionally trying to keep her out, you know, and would assume that she could come in. But whatever he was doing was keeping that out.

And then so his first night home, he was exhausted. And I was like, this is not a time for a conversation about it. And I thought , we'll just see. And I slept terribly. And the next night I said, okay. when you're setting things up, would you just make sure that you specifically make it so that she can come through?

And so he in the meantime has gotten Shaman, which is [00:39:00] another nature spirit . So he said, I'm making sure that she can come through as well. But he said, I just assumed that when I said third heaven and higher, that they could come in. And I said, you know, I don't think that these nature spirits would technically be third heaven and higher, but we know that they're clearly wise and benevolent guides, I'm thinking that they can't come in.

And so he did that last night and I slept so much better and things were much more grounded again. And it really hit home when Samael was talking about, energies and entities are all around. And I know that Samael has said things in the past about, you know, we shouldn't be kind of a again, putting things in boxes of, I'm only gonna communicate with this level of being, I'm only gonna communicate with these certain things.

And yet he had also said, when I'm teaching these beginner reiki classes to keep it the way it is, just say, stick with third heaven and higher. You can't go wrong. [00:40:00] Nothing's going to harm you from that level of existence while they're developing their discernment of how to feel into, is this just like you were talking about going into a room of 

yes. You embodied people. You know, some people have better discernment than others. Some people are better able to sense, okay, this is a safe sort of thing. Maybe I shouldn't give my, you know, just sort of give all of my information to everybody that I encounter that, especially when we're work, dealing with, working with, with an energetic world that is not seen by a lot of people.

They haven't developed that level of discernment yet. They're still working on just feeling energy and the idea, if they're open to everything, the energies that they might be able to feel the strongest wouldn't necessarily be the most aligned and safest for them to be working with at the time.

So that, that was a good base level. But I feel like this is, again, all the, all the sorts of lessons and [00:41:00] things that have been coming in in the last week. I feel like he's kind of addressing with that, of we need to start reassessing who I'm working with and how I'm doing it, and how I'm setting up the boundaries and the barriers and being more inclusive with the unbodied or disembodied.

TAVA TAVA: You're going to love what Jeff came through as you were talking. Samael said, the difference between a neophyte and an advanced healer is how they swim in the warm sea. Umshallah a warm sea, aim for a balance of heat and cool flow filter. Do not block set up a screen, not a wall .Silt. not brick. So imagine we are bobbing around in our energetic sea and there are entities all around [00:42:00] us and there are energies from, you know, stones and trees and the wind and light and all of these other things, emotion, everything that's moving through us, all of these waves, all of this pattern.

I think the way a lot of traditions. are traditionally taught is, oh no, something bad might come at me. I will set up a wall, right? I will make my witch bottle and bury it on the ground. I will set up my iron spikes, I will make a wall, and nothing can get to me. The problem is, is that in a flowing sea, over time, the currents destroy those walls.

Walls are inflexible, they don't bend, and the things that don't bend eventually will break in the energetic flow. So what Samuel is saying is, instead of, you know, when we lay down and we go, I'm, and this, I'm like, oh my God, I need to do so much differently now, instead of saying, [00:43:00] I am gonna set up an impenetrable barrier around me for X, instead, what we need to do is give it like brick.

Imagine that everything flows, aiming for balance, aiming for natural rhythm, and instead bubble silk around you. So it can still flow through, but it's filtered. The stuff you don't want coming in is on the other side, the mesh. If you think about Native American dream catchers, oh my gosh, they're the same thing.

they're a web, right? The dreams that you don't want caught in the web and the energy that you do want knows to travel down the feather to the dreamer, right? So again, it's a filtering system, not a block. So instead of us saying, I will only [00:44:00] take this, you've got a balance. And sometimes things may skip in that you didn't intend to, but you've created your environment and your ecosystem enough.

that those things can get balanced out over time or they can flow back out. And I mean that's, I've always been told, you know, this is the border, this is the perimeter, this is where the magic circle ends. But I think if we aim for this concept of the warm sea that we are letting in cool current to balance hot current, that we are making a comfortable environment for us, and that we are filtering that, that might be a mindset that doesn't necessarily block everything out.

So now I'm so curious to try this. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. I was 

Tava Baird: gonna say, I'm wondering if it means I won't need to put words up [00:45:00] and stuff so often because they won't break so often. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. It, that's, it's really interesting, you know, and I think like, when I do a session or when I'm in inviting things in, I typically, I see it as, I, I think I probably spent too much time in science class, but like the semi-permeable membrane Yes.

Where, you know, cells have these semi-permeable membranes, meaning that certain, they have receptors to allow in certain kinds of things or certain, certain things are allowed in through the membrane and other things are blocked by it. But that it's not a, you know, a hard, like cells aren't to have just this hard, you know, shell around them that don't allow anything.

They allow in certain things and certain things are allowed to go out, but other things are kept in. but what I've used as the, you know, kind of guiding thing for what is allowed in had been third heaven and higher. [00:46:00] And so there was the idea that it was a semi-permeable, that some things could get in and some things couldn't.

But how to phrase that. And I get very into the specifics of the language of it, of, would it maybe be best, like what comes to my mind is things that are, allowed in would be things that are in alignment with my highest good and greatest wellbeing or and I know at Sam is the word person, you know, that figuring out exactly what would be the right kind of, silk or, semi-permeable membrane there so that we're not keeping out, things like, shaman and, chrome.

Yeah. But we're also not inadvertently allowing too much to come in as well because, you know, even with nature spirits, my understanding is that there are certain, you know, nature spirits that still have a very different agenda and they, you [00:47:00] know, you wouldn't wanna just be like, Hey, come on in.

Um, and yeah, it's like kind of how to shape that. 

Tava Baird: He just said the phrase, "in alignment with my balanced vibration. "

Jennifer Taylor: In alignment with my balanced vibration. 

Tava Baird: So your aim is balance and your vibration when you sing or when you dream or when you exist, is you're calling in things that want to work with your vibration.

So if they're there to unbalance you, you, that's the filter. Yeah. But if they're in alignment with your balanced vibration, who you are at your core, who you are when you sing, then they're allowed to reach through. It sounds like what you and Keith had to do is simply adjust your filter. 'cause you already had semipermeable one.

Yeah. So Crone is there, you know, you were talking about, it sounded like she was grounding [00:48:00] you. She was trying to, to aim for a balance there. So if she's in alignment with your, the deity that you are has a particular vibration that you embody and it is housed at the temple of Song.

You can bring things in. That's a space you can play with. But you also essentially are the temple of song. You are Amnivara, right? So anybody who wants to enter the temple or enter your space their purposes, must be aligned with the balanced and highest good state of yourself. If they're not there to help balance and flow with your energy, they're not allowed in.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. You know, it's interesting when you set that, you know, you think about how we talk all the time about how grounding is the biggest thing, and that's one of the biggest things that came to me from just coming and joining you at a [00:49:00] few fairs, was that I recognized how profound the need is for grounding 

And you know, everybody talking about needing grounding, needing grounding. And just like with my dreams, if we are setting our boundaries for third heaven and higher, that is very high vibration energy. You know, Archangel Michaels and you know, that is very high vibration energy.

And when we are working with that and we're channeling only third heaven and higher energy, it really, you know, we're like levitating like way off in the clouds. And so if we're not allowing in these lower vibrations, lower, not being bad, but slower vibrations, different kinds of vibra, you know, when we're allowing in, you know, earth vibrations and the beings of the stones and things like that, that helps to ground us.

And if [00:50:00] everybody's going around basically warding off the very energies that would keep them grounded, I mean, that could be a big part of it right there. You know, my circuits were getting really fried from, the dreams and stuff without having, crone the keeper of the stones.

She's not third heaven or higher, but she was needed. And when she was in there, all of a sudden it was balanced. It's not that we can't do this higher work, it's that we can't do it in a balanced way without that. And I bet a lot of people are doing the things that we were doing thinking that we're, you know, we're creating a safe space and basically keeping out the energies that would keep them balanced because they are earth energies.

They're living, beings that are in a space of duality, but it doesn't mean that they're dangerous. You know? It's like, yeah, you and I are not third heaven or higher, but, you know, we're not dangerous we're [00:51:00] also really good for each other.

Tava Baird: Yes. Oh my God, so much is coming, is just bouncing off my head. Samael's basically, like he's now repeated the same thing to me like five times for me to talk about. And I'm like, okay, okay. Okay. And then he also had this, uh, little, you hear this, 

Jennifer Taylor: so thank you so much for joining us again this week. We are all outta time, but this conversation will continue again next week.

Um, until then, we wanted to make sure and leave you with some healing music. So I decided to choose a track that I made called Sacred Waters Singing Stones, and it brings through the energy of the sacred Stream up in Vermont as well as the stones that I talk about a lot that I brought back here.

So it has their voices in it as well as Archangel Michael. So I hope that this is a blessing for you as you head out into your week, [00:52:00] and I hope that their voices assist you in finding balance. If you would like to access this outside of the podcast, you can always find it on my Amnivara page on Bandcamp, which is A-M-N-I-V-A-R-A Amnivara at Band Camp.

And I'll of course have links to that in the show notes. Many blessings to you for a balanced week, and I look forward to connecting with you again next time.

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