Diving Beneath the Waves: A Conversation on Balance and Change

In this spiritually enriching episode, we dive deeper into the themes of balance, change, and resilience introduced last week. Archangel Michael offers guidance on tuning into deeper truths and maintaining stability amid societal shifts. Samael joins the conversation, emphasizing the importance of adapting and letting go of unhelpful attachments to flow with life's changes. Listeners are encouraged to set their physical and emotional spaces in order as a foundation for personal and communal growth. Through poignant messages, visualization techniques, and a powerful singing transmission, this episode aims to inspire resilience, trust, and the courage to dance on the edge of change.

00:00 Introduction and Recap
03:50 Messages from Archangel Michael
05:27 Understanding Balance and Stability
08:30 Personal Reflections and Insights
12:40 The Concept of Worth and Shame
27:53 Meeting People and Building Connections
45:37 The Sacredness of Hands and Gestures
47:00 Preparedness for the Coming Year
47:51 Understanding Darkness and Light
49:03 Diving Beneath the Waves
52:16 Relational Jujitsu
54:46 The Deeper Truth
01:01:25 The Four Mirrors Ritual
01:06:43 Setting Things in Order
01:24:29 Transmission from Archangel Michael
01:33:56 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

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Transcript

S3Ep17 Diving Beneath The Waves: A Conversation on Balance and Change

Jennifer Taylor (2): [00:00:00] Welcome to the continuation of last weeks conversation! We will start with the opening song from last week to set the space and then immediately continue where we left off. 

[00:01:00] [00:02:00] [00:03:00] Oh.

so in the wake of feeling all these fears and then just being like, okay, just help me.

What do you have to say about this? Arkangel Michael Says, be still my child. And listen. For, we are not talking about catastrophe, but [00:04:00] change. Change in the fundamental structures of your society, of the ways of being and thinking and knowing.

This does not necessarily mean physical structural collapse, though it can at times. Focus yourself on regulation, on undoing the attachments to the things you know, to the things you depend on when they are not really as solid as they appear. Find your truth and, and then it sounds like a pigon.

It sounds like he said, find your truth and a pigon, and I have no idea what a pigon is. I don't know if maybe it's an English word that I just don't know, or it's a word in some other language. And I said, what is a pion? And he said, the knowing without knowing. And I said, how can I prepare myself and my family and feel stable?

[00:05:00] Because I was thinking, you know, maybe if I have enough. LifeStraws and, little emergency fire making, you know, ways you can cook outside with little bits of st sticks and twigs. You know, maybe if I have enough food in the pantry, enough things, then I, I just kind of told myself if I have enough of that stuff, then I don't have to be afraid of like sort of a physical collapse kind of thing, and then I'll be able to be balanced and stuff.

And he said stability is an act, not an act as in pretending, but an act as in something that you do. So he said stability is an act, a constant balancing. It is not still, but constant movement, constant adjusting and readjusting. get comfortable with this while also not needing to stand still and stop moving and accepting from time to time that the balance will be thrown [00:06:00] off and that can be necessary and beneficial as well.

Seeking balance does not mean maintaining balance in every situation at all times. It is something to aspire to, but not to hold yourself to as a perfection. So I was, getting that sense of, don't become you know, a perfectionist about balance, either 

And I thought of a balance board, and I don't know if you've ever seen a balance board. Well, we had them at Montessori school. We used them all 

Tava Baird: the time. Oh yeah. So 

Jennifer Taylor (2): we had one for our daughters and it was magnificent. So it basically looks like A wide skateboard?

It's like a, 

Tava Baird: yeah, it's like a square on rockers. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. It like, the one that we had was a, an oval. And, you would stand on it and there were two different levels. There was sort of a beginner level, which was this sort of inflatable thing that was kind of slightly domed that you could work on. And then when you got really good at it, there was this cylinder kind of think of like a [00:07:00]log underneath it 

That you would put the board on and you would step up on almost like a seesaw and you would, you know, try to keep your balance as, you know, you lean slightly to the right and that cylinder underneath like a log would slide would go quickly to the left. And you would have to then bring your weight back to your left foot and it would quickly go to the right.

And you had to really get good at just being in this continual flow of, sensing where it was gonna go and responding, but not overreacting or else It would, could actually fly out from under the board. all these videos online where that little log thing you were balancing on, actually goes flying, like through people's TV and stuff, 

So I was like, okay, think of it as like standing on that balance board. It's not standing in this perfectly still position. It's actually the balance is in the constantly moving with and [00:08:00] shifting with, you know, what's happening and then kind of correcting and trying not to overcorrect. And so he said, and that is balance.

it is not necessarily a straight horizontal, um, stagnant is the word that came to mind. Balance is all about movement. Don't be too hard on yourself. Do not expect too much for more than is possible for any human. You are not a rock.

You are a river. And he, showed me this, art installment that I was a part of when I was at Wake Forest University. And there was a visiting artist who had us go out and there was a stream that went along behind the art building there. And we were to each find a spot in the stream, along the stream somewhere and just spend time there.

And then we had a really limited number of characters that we could use, um, you know, [00:09:00] like letters and spaces to express something about that space. And then we were to make our hands into some kind of position And they cast them in stone. they made these like casts in concrete and then put the words on it.

And so there was this path then all along it. And so the spot that I found, I stood there and I was looking at the water and I was watching how, these sticks and things had gotten knocked down into the water and. seemingly trying to obstruct it, 

But that the water always found a way, whether it was a rock or, a stick or a pile of leaves or a shoe that had fallen down in there and been discarded, it always found a way around it. It would, carve out extra, silt or it would move further and wider.

But it always found a way. And so the words that I had were water a [00:10:00] way. And so that was what Michael was showing me. you are a river, not a rock. And that idea of like just moving and flowing with it, you know, you throw a rock into a small stream and it doesn't just go, oh, that's it.

I can't go any further. This is terrible. I mean, look, there's a giant rock. It just, it just flows with it and keeps moving and finds a new way. so then he went back and he said, think of yourself more as a tide, then as a frozen lake. All of your resources, all of your skills will be helpful at this time.

Move with it, my friend. Dance with it. Make a song of it. Sing with it. Fly like a bird on the wind, ride the waves and currents. And you have me always, and you have forever to get it right. 

Tava Baird: I am over here grinning. Um, [00:11:00] I love when Michael and Samael say basically the same stuff to us in their own unique ways.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. 

Tava Baird: Um, 

the beginning of what you were saying before, you got to where Michael said dance. 

Mm-hmm. 

You were talking about the balance board. Samael said, make the shifting of your balance. A dance movement is life discovery. And if you think about it, he always describes Lilith as a dancer, right? Yeah. She's always shifting balance along the edge, shifting, shifting, shifting.

And that's exactly what Michael's talking about is that, you know, we can walk on the edge and fear the falling or we can dance on the edge. And how we approach that edge is that choice. Um, I absolutely loved that. And [00:12:00] I I love the, you are not a stone, right? We have this idea that we want to live in balance and that.

Anytime we are out of balance, it's an aberration and a problem that needs to be fixed, but in fact, it's not necessarily that we've been knocked off. We just have to shift. And that, that constant movement of the water, you know, like you said, the water always finds a way. And I think that's what we're being called to do is, you know, if we keep moving, we will find a way to build the sort of worlds and communities that we want.

Um, you've said so much that was incredible that I would love to respond to. Oh, yes. A couple of things. Um, you were talking about this, I think it was 17 to 19 seconds. 

Mm-hmm. It 

was funny that you said that because I'm gonna bring her up again. Hello out there, [00:13:00] Jennifer Jurlando. Um, I was talking to her and I was talking about the fact that I had given up dairy and sugar to try to get the inflammation in my body under control.

And I was talking about cravings that I was moving and, you know, it goes to yoga every week and is like super fit and stuff, and I am not. So I'm, and she said to me, well, you know, when you get a craving like that, what addiction experts tell you to do is just notice yourself having a craving and it will fade.

And I thought, what is she saying? She, she, you know, she's all good at making these choices and I'm not notice myself having the craving, what kind of crut is that? I wanna put, I wanna put a Twix in my mouth. Like that's noticing myself. Having the craving is in no way, shape, or form gonna make me stop craving.

Right. And so I'm [00:14:00] thinking this, sorry Jennifer, but I'm, you know, I was thinking you can't possibly be right about this. And lo and behold, that night she put it in my head and I've gotten past the defensive part that you are so good at getting past, I was like, candy bar, candy bar, candy bar. And I sat there and I went look at myself craving a candy bar.

Look at it, look at it, look at it. And it's true. In about 20 seconds the craving was gone. Wow. I was like, it's like she was right. Oh, she was right. I mean, I'm glad she's right because it means I didn't go out and eat something that was going to make everything in me flare up, um, that I would regret later.

But yeah, you know, there was that immediate like, defensive thing, but it's exactly what you're talking about, that sitting in that uncomfortable place for a little while and, and then noticing yourself being there. And then trying [00:15:00] to move on. And it is a constant balance. You know, even in something like a craving or an obsession, you know, when you get that idea in your head and you just can't stop thinking about it, just know I don't have to change everything.

I just need to shift. I need to shift, I need to keep moving on. I need to go distract myself or go somewhere else. I need to shift, I need to notice and that this will help. So it just reminded me when you were talking about the 17 to 19 seconds, I'm like, there it is again. Two Jennifers are correct. Um, when you were talking earlier about fear of, being on that edge and what happens if I let go?

Uh, Samael said, for birth to happen, things must break. And he's right. Your water breaks before you have a baby. Before a a little chick comes out of an egg. The shell's gotta crack. [00:16:00] Things break. So that either things can come forth and when we look at our society around us, or we even look at our own families, we're trying so hard to hold everything together that sometimes we don't allow a sacred breakin that's gonna allow.

Somebody or something to move to the next level and ring to us what needs to be brought. Right? Um, and then he has a favorite quote. It's on one of the cards of the deck of rebellion. I find myself saying it all the time. 'cause he does, which is "to fall in truth, is to be blessed." This idea of, of allowing yourself to fall.

If we even go back to the podcast episode we did about Fallen Angels, and we look at that story again, we have this [00:17:00] story on earth that, you know, the angels were kicked out of heaven by God and they fell and, you know, and then, you know, and Lucifer became the devil and all of this stuff. And Samael says that's not the way it was, that a new space needed to be opened.

But that in order for things to go forward, something else had to go back. Something had to fall away. There had to be a shifting of energy. And so he said, the angels that chose to fall to put their energies into that place, did so. And he talks about the, the having to let go of what they knew and that it was hard.

You know, he says, we flung together as we fell. But that, that energy allowed Michael to cut the bonds into a new place with his sword. So we're talking about doing the same things energetically with ourself this year, if we want [00:18:00] to go forward into a new place and be successful at it. Not to say, oh, I always try that and it never works.

Well, stop trying that if it never works, you know, stop staring in the mirror at yourself until things become worked, and doing the same thing over and over again if it doesn't work. Instead, what are the things that you need to let go of, that you need to let fall away so that you can receive these blessings so that as a whole everyone can move forward?

It might be that you are working in a job that no longer suits you, and you're slowly making everybody around you miserable because you're grumpy, but you like the security of that job, and you're afraid that if you go out and apply for something else that nobody will want you. [00:19:00] Well, if you did go out and apply, you had the validation that someone else does want you, and we're able to let.

The situation at your old job fall away. How much happier would you be? Would your coworkers be? Would everybody be because you've cut something, you've broken the sort of the status quo that you've built in there. You've let go of the fear. Maybe you've been in a relationship for a really long time, but you don't want the same things anymore, but you're used to each other.

Is there a different way you can relate to each other so that you can let something else break and allow space for it to come in to move into a place where you are a fallen angel? Um, and Samael also says that in this falling, there is an opportunity [00:20:00] to rise, right? Once you fallen, now you have a place to go up again, right, to lead, to rebuild, marshal your energies.

And I think this is what he was talking about last week in terms of like, repair, doing climbing, or as scent requires energy. You have to beat those wings, right? It requires energy. You're not gliding anymore. Uh, "marshal your energies and gifts that have never been revealed will show themselves." Yeah. Very cool.

It reminds me of on TV programs when there's like, like if anybody watches any of those zombie shows, right? The world ends and it's calamity and there's zombies roaming the streets and all the power structures are gone. And it's always like this person who worked a nine to five corporate [00:21:00] job and wasn't super happy soon discovers they have this crazy talent for, you know, I don't know, survival stuff and, and, and leadership and, you know, driving back the zombies, right?

That a lot of times we have to step out of I, and I'm not advocating for the fact that we need, you know, an end of day zombie plague. That would be way bad. But sometimes you have to get shifted out of that comfort zone and away from the resources that you normally have. We, we do a little bit of this when we go on vacation.

Going on vacation can be energetically draining. I mean, I think of lots of trips where I've come back and said, man, I need a vacation for my vacation because I needed a nap. Right? But sometimes taking yourself and putting yourself in a place where you don't automatically know we're the closest restaurant and the closest, 

[00:22:00] gas station r makes your brain work in a different way to find the resources you need locally and set up a new space to hold your clothes and your toothbrush, and it allows you a different perspective. So maybe Samael last week was just telling us all to go on vacation. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Well, it's interesting like having, heard what Samael had said then having the conversation we had about what you'd been talking with Samael about prior to that podcast. Then reading this again, I heard some of what Michael had said in a different light too, because he started out with saying, you know, "focus on regulation, on undoing the attachments to the things you depend on for they're not really as solid as they appear.

Find your truth." And the first time that I'd heard that, it still felt like the way that I had heard Sam saying, where he was saying, I don't [00:23:00] remember what the exact words, but it was like, don't get too attached to your habits and your daily things. And I had looked at that as a, that because, you know, the apocalypse is coming and like, you know, it's like, don't get too, used to having, heat and running water because everything's gonna change kind of thing.

And so I'd kind of heard what Michael had said. still somewhat in that context of catastrophe. you know, focus on undoing your attachments to the things they're not as solid as they appear. But then having had the conversation about, being at the edge and being comfortable with that and how we are all at a place now, as a society and as a world, we're at this place of this precipice of we're going to need to get comfortable with expanding and learning what is outside of our comfort zones and making a new step to discover something.

Then having read this again, it was like, you know, undoing the attachments [00:24:00] to the things. It really seems like it's more along the lines and probably what it sounds like Samael was talking about of let's get up to that. You know, we are at an edge, whether we like it or not really. I mean, we are at that edge.

It's just how are we going to address it? Are we going to go, oh no, and just be in such fear that we turn against each other in this sort of survival kind of mode, or we gonna go. Okay. There are truths that lie beyond this line, even though we've always been told they were false and they were lies 

And it, it's really interesting 'cause I say that, and then I see that the very next line was, find your truth and the epi on whatever that is. The knowing without knowing, and then he talks about that balance kind of thing. So I think it was really interesting that I'd heard what he said, and I'd gotten it down, but then having just had that other conversation right before it changed [00:25:00] my way of hearing all of that we need to just be in continual change and allowing ourselves to flow with it.

Um, so this morning we had another conversation in, preparation for all of this. I was like, all right, I wanna get, another opportunity to hear your perspective on, 2026 and, what we're supposed to be doing. And again, it all, just weaves together in such a perfect way.

It's always, it's just fascinating. 

Tava Baird: It's, um, I'm, as you know, because you've been doing a lovely amount of reading for me, um, I'm in the middle of writing the next. Novel in the Spiral Pathways series, which is called, and it's so good people, it's so good. Um, it's called The Book of High Places. And, I made Samael a character in it, which is really interesting to try to write him as a character based on him, you know.

Um, [00:26:00] and also Lilith is character in it. And, um, there's a scene where Samael brings my, my two main characters named Alex and Socha, I mentioned to them earlier in the podcast. Um, and Alex has grown up Catholic. He's in Scotland in the 17 hundreds Catholic. And so when they arrive at the Lost City, they're actually standing on this cliff overlooking the city.

And the Lost City is Lilith's domain, basically in San Miles's, bringing them there for an education. Um, and he's pointing down to the city and that he points to this area off to the left. And he, and there's like a little settlement there out in the desert. And he says that that is where the Magdalene teaches.

And he is talking about Mary Magdalene. 

Right. 

and [00:27:00] Alex from his growing up in the Catholic church says, starts to say. Oh, the repentant prostitute, right? Because that's how he's been taught who she is. And before he can get the word prostitute out, Samael says myrrh bearer, right? And a myrhh bearer is, I believe the actual definition of a me bearer is someone who was, a witness at Christ's crucifixion, which she was.

Right? Or maybe it's the resurrection. I'll have to look at it to remember. But anyway, he cuts Alex off from saying the word prostitute and instead, you know, gives her the title that she really is. And he says, and furthermore, I caution you in this place from making assumptions about anyone until you meet them.

Right? and that's I think a lot of what we also have [00:28:00] in a very polarized time here, especially in our country. Um, I mean, and it's polarized at a lot of places. I know we have international listeners, so it's polarized where you guys are too. Um, it can be very tempting to say, I already know everything about this person.

Our brains want to do that as humans, 

right? 

Um, but it is a good idea. People will show you exactly who they are. You know, reserve your judgment until you meet them. Because we also live in a society where stories spread like wildfire. And people that we might have tossed out with the bath water might simply be in a place where they can't do any better right now, or they don't know how to, or [00:29:00] they don't have somebody to talk to about it.

Who can give that different perspective. And I know I've been in a place like that before myself, where I got so hardened into my own perspective that, and what I really needed was that contact with someone else who saw the world a little differently than I did, so that I could go, there is a way forward.

There are ways out, there are other options. There's not just what bounces around inside my own skull. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, absolutely. And you know, even beyond the first impressions of meeting someone, you know, give them a chance to show more of who they are, because there are so many things that come up when we first meet someone.

It's again, it's like another one of these edge things. And depending on. Where they [00:30:00] are, what they're wearing, how they talk, where they grew up, the way of speaking and the manners were in, in the areas that they're from. It's easy to be like, well, I met them and still make the, rash judgments of, who they are based on these things.

But to give it more time to see how do they treat people, you know, or even go beyond what they might be saying to what are their actions like, like it's really interesting to me how many people there are, even just, you know, in our neighborhood where you know, if we were talking about politics or something, we believe exactly the opposite things.

And yet when we interact as neighbors, they are kind and loving. They would give you the shirt off their back, they are community building, you know, doing REALLY GOOD THINGS! . And, it helps to just sort of get [00:31:00] beyond those initial interactions beyond some of those initial things that we tend to still really want to, latch onto as to, okay, well I met them and I saw this and I saw that.

But the more we observe in that just like we can observe ourselves, we can observe ourselves in those interactions. And observe them from a different perspective, 

And like you said, then you can see stuff like maybe they're just really hurting so much or they're so fearful or whatever it is. And I actually was just listening to a podcast that, um, one of our friends shared with me about an interview 

talking about, healthy masculinity. And there were two men and one of, one of whom was I think a psychologist and talking about the different ways that, that we tend to relate. And it was interesting the way that he was talking about shame and how, you know, for a lot of people, and he was specifically [00:32:00] talking about men and stating upfront, you know, this is an overgeneralization, but we have to start somewhere with the conversation.

And that a lot of the men that he deals with are still working in this old version of masculinity and and kind of not taking responsibility for their actions and and that that's really sort of this. walled off kind of place that they're in, and it's very self-centered, but that what tends to happen is that once they start realizing and taking responsibility for the things that they've done and seeing the harm that they've caused that then they go into shame and it's like, well, I'm just a piece of crap.

I'm worthless. Like, look at all the awful things. And then, and, but he's like, but that's still another isolated, really self-centered kind of place. And it's not, necessarily better. And I was thinking, you know, when we take the idea of masculine or feminine or any of that out of it, [00:33:00] what happens a lot of times is there's that sense of we expand and we see a new perspective, and when we see a new perspective, we may become aware of harm that we have caused by living from the previous perspective that we were in.

And that tends to, a lot of times, also calls us to shut down and be like, no, because we start feeling ourselves headed into that deep shame and it's like, well, I can't handle the deep shame either. I'm gonna have to make that wrong because I can't handle looking at. You know, the harm that I have caused then, by the way that I was looking.

And he was saying that the way that you balance that, the way that you solve that is through your worth. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is so perfect because this is what we've been talking about and working with publicly and privately now for years, and I like he was saying, your worth just is.

You can't add to it and you can't take away from it. [00:34:00] Your worth exists just because you exist. You're here, you're in a body, you're breathing. you just are worthy. You have worth, period. And I, I liked the way he said, you can't add to it and you can't take away from it. It just is. And when you can accept your worth, then you can hold yourself in warm regard.

And while feeling appropriately, proportionately bad about harm that you've done, you know, it's like, I really hurt you. I did all of these things. You can feel kind of appropriately, proportionately bad about, gosh, that was awful. That was a really terrible thing. And I'm a good person who did something bad I don't like using the word bad really, but you know, who did something that was not in alignment with who they really truly are.

Right? And. I like that way of, you know, it's like we all need to be able to, as we're moving forward, because a lot of times we do, when our [00:35:00] worldview expands and our perspectives open, it's easy to drop into shame. And I think it happens sometimes when we think about our country, overall, then it's like, oh, then, then people are like, oh, well I'm not happy with large things that are going on with the country and the government.

So now I'm going to not be patriotic, or I'm going to be like, oh, you know, our country is terrible. , and kind of go to the other extreme and instead be like, we're good people who are not necessarily acting in alignment with that. And how do we keep the same regard even for each other of, we are all just as worthy, we're all just as beneficial, and some of us are acting from an unhealed kind of place.

Right. 

Tava Baird: And I, it's, it's, we were talking about, I mean, literally all the Lilith classes are on the idea that you have inherent worth. But if you think about it, that [00:36:00] concept lies in the face of a lot of what our society does to us. Our society tries to tell us right from the beginning that we lack worth.

Okay. If you grew up with the story of Adam and Eve, right. When you happen to be female, you're told right from the beginning that you caused the sin. Right? You got all of humanity driven from paradise. That's a hit to your self-worth, right? Outta the gates. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. Right. And that childbirth pain is a punishment for that.

Tava Baird: Yes. That was one of the things that, that you weren't born a particular gender or a particular race that you have less worth than those people who were. Right. Let's look at just advertising. Advertising. A lot of it is driven by shame, right? But your skin doesn't look the way it should. Oh, you're not the [00:37:00] right weight.

Oh, your clothes aren't, um, the current season, oh, you don't look professionally put together. Oh, your house isn't organized. What will people think of you? You need this product to fix the shame you feel. Right? And we have a awful lot of that. And so when we're getting bombarded with messages from childhood on forward, when there's constant, you know, we are grading you and everything is a competition all the time.

Saying healthy competition shouldn't be a thing. Competition could be awesome, right? Gives you something to strive for when your entire society is nothing but competition and the ranking for how much you are worth has to do with how much money you have in your pocket. Now we have a [00:38:00] problem. Now you're living.

Now we have huge amounts of shame that where you don't believe you are worthy. And the very first thing that happens in the lithium magic classes is the, the concept is introduced. That just by being here in a body as a divine soul, you have just as much worth as anybody else. And Samael even takes it above that and says, no less than an angel, no less than a God.

And everybody, when I say that, a lot of people go, you know, yeah. It's like, well, that's way too much. We have societies with past systems and businesses with power structures and churches and synagogues with this person is in charge. Or you need this person to talk to God, or you need, or you can't be this [00:39:00] leader because of your gender, or, you know, we have all of these gate, all of this gatekeeping for divinity.

Nobody gets to decide how divine you are. You're fricking divine. You're born that way. You'll die that way. You don't get more or less divine. You're divine. And that is what I spend my Sundays and Saturdays doing, is getting groups of people who are sick of feeling like they don't have any worth and saying, no, honey, say it with me now.

I'm divine. I'm divine, I'm divine. And you don't have to be perfect to be divine. You don't have to be immaculate conception to be divine. Sex is a gift and a glory, and it was put here. And if we didn't have it, none of us would be here. Right? So nothing's gotta be immaculate, nothing's gotta be pure.[00:40:00]

Everything just has to be messy, glorious. Human with us trying to move forward together. And, and when you were talking about meeting people, something came up that literally happened to me just this morning and I thought it was a little bonkers, but it totally jives with what you were saying. You were talking about.

When you meet people, there is a little bit of fear there because they're unknown and it really is when you meet someone and you go to shake their hand for the first time you're standing on an edge. 

Yeah. 

Either this relationship will turn into nothing or something wonderful or something awful, or it will just kind of languish there forever.

It's probably kind of like a nothing. Right. It is an edge state. Once you've met that person, you can't unmet them. Yeah. [00:41:00] There it is. Right. And, and in the holy roots class, he's been talking to me about the meanings of different fingers in gesture and um, it's part of this whole divination system.

But he talks about, he talked to me this morning, he said, um, there was a scene that I wrote the other day that took place in Lilith Law City. And in it, two of the characters go to shake each other's hands. And Samael said, no, change it. That's not how they shake hands there. And he said that they embrace fast the hand, they embrace the forearm.

And I thought, what kinda craziness is this? But I wrote it into the book because it seemed atmospheric and nice, right? And sometimes he gives me little tidbits of things. And then he explains later. So today he explained, he said, in your [00:42:00] society, you reach out with the right hand and the right hand holds the energies.

Logic, right? When you see someone, you immediately apply logic. You try to put them in a box. I've met other people dress like this, or I've seen other people who talk like this. This is what I think of them. You try to find a logical framework, put the person in, but it might not be correct. The next finger is innocence.

That's really where you are starting. You know nothing about them, and you can either choose to stay in a place of innocence or you can want to know them better, right? Build a real connection. That middle finger is representative of chaos and change. And since you're standing on an edge. You are, might be feeling a little bit chaotic.

I've shook a bunch of hands today. I have all, I don't know this person's energy at all, and now [00:43:00] I'm gonna touch them. I'm gonna put them into my sphere. Our energies are going to interact. Then we have reception. Do I want to take on the knowing of them? Do I want to, you know, you start going through all the things you might have heard about them.

Now their energy is mixing with your own in this meeting. And then silence here at the end. What will happen if they reject me? What if I get something wrong? What if I say their name wrong or I offend them? Will I be met with silence? What happens if I decide I want to turn silence towards them and that we can't connect now it's going to be messy to get out of a relationship, right?

So you have all of these thoughts and fears and feelings, and you're going to put your hand in theirs. And Samael [00:44:00] says, but if you try to reach beyond those thoughts and feelings and embrace further up the arm there where you're really holding them, you are saying, I am reaching trust. My first impressions of you.

I am reaching past the, the innocence that I now have in hopes of a better understanding. I am reaching past this feeling of uncertainty and chaos and change. I'm reaching past my own fears to embrace you. And so you are reaching past a normal H shape where your guard is up and you are full of worry and apprehension.

And he says, that is how you reach someone, you move. And I went, okay. That just gave a whole lot of context to one sentence in a book I just wrote the other day. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. That you reach 

Tava Baird: beyond. [00:45:00] And I went, that's pretty 

Jennifer Taylor (2): cool. That is very cool. And it, oh my goodness. It seems to go so much with what I received from Michael this morning in this going past, going deeper, going beyond thing that I'm, I'm just like, I, I just keep going.

Oh my goodness. It somehow, it actually made my third eye itch. I don't know what that means. We're gonna have 

Tava Baird: to lie down after this podcast. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, wow. And did I cut you off, or did you have something else you needed to No, no. To add to that, that was, 

Tava Baird: that was it. I just, I was just sitting there going, man. You know, because he's been teaching me a lot about these gestures and these energies that we carry in our hands, you know, and he talks, he's been talking a lot about hands are how we shape the world, right?

That those opposable thumbs, you know, it's how we build, it's how we create, you know, there's nobody else with our fingerprints and our exact [00:46:00] patterns of lines on the hand, you know, it's where we put our rings to show who we are, you know, blessed with and who we hold dear. That these hands are these incredibly readily sacred tools.

Everything that we build and tear down with them, and this whole angelic language with the hands. And so, you know, as we're going into this, the whole Holy Roots philosophy to kind of hear all of these applications where there is a philosophy behind gesture, you know, I, I tend to just sort of throw away my gestures, you know, and to have an intention there too.

It's. Really a cool thing. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): It has been really fascinating getting to hear the progression of the information that you're receiving. And I am definitely wanting to take the roots classes. So I'm excited about [00:47:00] that. So here is what, Michael had to say to me this morning. So I was thinking still along the lines of preparedness of, you know, that whole more physical preparedness for things.

And, so I said, Michael, is there something that you would like to bring through about this coming year in preparedness? And he said, "there is not only the concern of health physically, but the concern of health mentally, which is arguably more or most important, Samael and I agree, holding balance, anchoring the light when others are plunged into utter darkness.

And again, realizing that, you know, light and dark, not necessarily being good and bad, but the qualities in this heat are different. So anchor people are uncomfortable 

Tava Baird: in darkness. Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And sometimes darkness is exactly what is needed and is healing and helpful, but in this term, darkness as [00:48:00] in being.

Lost. You know, it's like somebody turning out the lights on you and you're like, just wandering around going, oh my gosh, I feel like I've lost everything. I can't see, I don't have any bearings and I feel like I've just been, uh, kind of left, So the anchor and anchoring the light is something I actually call light. as a form of divine energy -

it is an energy of, health and awareness and divine love and healing and transformation. And that's the type of light and darkness that he means here. So," anchoring the light when others are plunged into utter darkness, turning the tide with your awareness.

Something is coming indeed, but it is not to be endured in suffering." And then he was showing me and saying, some of it was the words and some [00:49:00] of it was showing me these, um. You know how like if you've ever been at the beach and you were kind of jumping waves and waves come and you sort of jump up and the waves sort of lift you up a little bit, but sometimes there's a wave that's bigger and you're like, if I stand here, I'm going to just get, just knocked to the ground.

Right? And so the technique that I was shown was that you actually dive into the wave. So as it's coming up and it's kind of curling up in front of you, you dive like beneath that big curled up part where it's getting kind of foamy and you dive somewhat, it's actually probably closer down to the base of it than the top of it.

And you kind of dive down and you can basically go from what would've been completely just bashing into you and knocking you under and probably pulling you under. But you dive through and it's this smooth, peaceful thing and you are then beneath the waves where all of [00:50:00] the chaos and all the, the bouncing around is and you're in this peaceful, smooth, calm kind of place.

And so that's what he was showing me was that, that even above like riding the waves as far as being in sort of an raft or sort of riding the waves, that it seemed like what was most preferable was actually the diving down into it and going kind of beneath all of that where it is calm underneath. And so he said, "dive under the waves.

And find the calm that is always there beneath the surface. That is where we are." And I got the sense that we was like the angels and, those that see so much further than we do, that we all have this bigger perspective. Um, he said," that is where we are.

We see it, we sense it, but we do not get tossed about by it. 

Join 

us there [00:51:00] and we will make change together." And I said, you know, how do you recommend, you know, doing that? Like, I understand that from kind of a philosophical level, you know, but from a real life like embodied person walking through their day in the midst of chaos, how do you recommend that we find that.

And he said, "dive beneath the wave. Do not let it carry you." So, and I was like, okay. 

So, you know, when there's like all this information, it feels like there are just giant waves after waves that threaten to knock us down from you hearing about what's happening in the world, hearing about all of these different things that are happening socially and politically.

And, it's like you kind of see it coming, you know, somebody starts saying something in a conversation and it's like seeing this big wave coming and that we have the option then of being hit by it and just kind of [00:52:00] taking it face on or diving down beneath it.

And really not letting it hit us, but, and, uh, you know, not tapping into that, not allowing it to land with me, but ducking under it and diving down underneath of it. And he said "the same as the argument you were hearing yesterday." And so it was, he was referring to the podcast where they were talking about, you know, healthy masculinity and stuff.

And the, the guy that was talking, he was talking about what he calls relational juujitsu and he said, you know, when somebody comes at you all, you know, unregulated and angry. You can, meet their anger and their stuff with your own arguments and try to sort of battle it out in strength.

Or he says it's jiujitsu, you duck under the horrible delivery. So let's say, you know, the person's angry and they're saying, you know, you're like, you're so awful. Whatever. You did this. And he's [00:53:00] talking about this in a very personal marriage kind of relationship sort of way, or working with your boss or whatever it is.

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Um, but it, it works just as well when you're talking about like kind a wave of information. He says it's jujitsu. You duck under the horrible delivery and you deal with their ouch. 

Tava Baird: And 

Jennifer Taylor (2): so, you know, relationship wise, it, this ties so well into what you were, we were talking about as far as, you know, first impressions and how someone is appearing from the outside and 

I love that. relational jujitsu, you duck under the horrible delivery. And he went on to say, you know, we're not saying that it's okay to be going around delivering things this way, but some people, that's just where they are. And you can either spend the next hour and a half or maybe weeks at a time arguing and battling with a person, or you can 

recognize? Yeah, yeah. Boy, that's a horrible delivery. Duck [00:54:00] underneath of it and get to deal with the hurt because underneath of it there's a hurt, there's a fear, there's something else And so he was bringing all that into my mind. And uh, so Michael continued. "You do not need to meet it.

Duck beneath it. Be skillful, be armed, be aware," and, and, and armed and skillful, we're meaning emotionally. And you know, right being, be armed as in already have done your work and be more able to hold your own balance and your awareness." Be aware. It is not about sticking your head in the sand, but about seeing a deeper truth from a broader awareness and allowing that to be your anchor."

And I said, what is the deeper truth? And he said, I get this all the time. "You know it already". I was like, yes, I know I do. I was like, I know I do. But I'm kind of hoping to give something that help others to be able to kind of [00:55:00] hold onto your confidence and your words of it. Like to help me and to help others in times when they may doubt their own.

And he said, "doubting your own is part of the trouble." And I was like, indeed, you know it is. I said, you know, but sometimes we need a crutch when we're learning to walk again after the injuries of the world. And so he said "very well," he said, "the truth is you are always okay. No matter how much you want to counter that point.

It is all an illusion- to teach, to experience, but you still have choice in what you experience." And I was feeling him sort of countering that of like how much we want to fight that thing of like, the truth is you are always okay. And I think what he was showing me was the, you know, like as long as you have breath, you have a choice.

you are alive and you are okay from that sort of [00:56:00] angelic perspective of the bigger world perspective. And if you don't have breath, you're still okay because you've left your body and you have even better understanding of the fact that you're okay. And so that was what he was showing me was the, "the truth is you are always okay."

Wasn't a matter of, it has nothing to do with external situations. It was, you know, as long as you have breath, you're still alive and you have, you have all these options and when you don't, you know, you're fine. and he could feel the. Resistance to that of like, yeah, I know, but come on, you know, we are in a body kind of thing.

And so he was like, you know, no matter how much you wanna counter that point, it is all an illusion to teach to experience, but you still have a choice in what you experience. And I know this is the kind of thing that therapists and everybody says, but it's so infuriating when you're going through something to have somebody tell you that yeah, he said, "you may not have choice of [00:57:00] your external environments and situations, but you have a choice of what you experience of it, what you see in it, what you see through it, what you allow to land in you, in your psyche and your energy and what you allow to stay."

And I said, you know, can you speak more, to the underlying kind of global truth, the perspective from which we see things and you know, we dive under the waves and are down beneath it in the sea, beneath the waves and the chaos. And he said, "truth, truth is a tricky thing. It depends on the stories we tell and those we choose to believe."

And I was like, yeah, but what about like divine truth, like the ultimate truth beyond the waves that we've distorted it and received it and you know the truth that is beneath and beyond all of that. And he says, "ah, yes. And diving deeper into the question, you start to access more of it on your own. [00:58:00] You know it.

You know it's there. You feel it, you have seen it. What do you feel and see?" And I said that change must happen. It's the only constant. And the resistance to change causes suffering. And you know that in my life, every time it seemed like the walls had crumbled and the ground beneath us had shook, and that we were gonna fall into a great chasm of suffering, that it actually broke down the barriers that were keeping us from that which we really needed. And the miracles happened. And when, we were experiencing just the most awful, horrible things. How we're like, this is terrible. And then we would try to predict what was coming and say - "OH NO this means x,y,z will happen to us!" those absolute worst things always led to the greatest miracles that never could have come through, had that

not fallen. but we couldn't see it from those perspectives. And so as we've gone through our married lives, we've started reminding each other [00:59:00] of this is one of those times, this is one of those times it seems like the whole world is crashing down. But we have to remember, there's something on the other side.

There is something happening that this is allowing, but we cannot predict it. We cannot see it. And I was like, this is totally what Samael was saying, you cannot predict. Like these were some of his actual words, not predict. 

Tava Baird: Yes. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): And so he said, and "so you must hold tight to that. Do not be swayed.

Your individual experience can be different from that of those around you. All stories are true. But if all stories are true, make sure you tell a good one" 

Tava Baird: Yes. And the 

Jennifer Taylor (2): one you want to walk." Yes. "And the more people telling it, the more company you have there, maybe you tell it and others believe you and join you.

Or maybe they tell their own versions and they may be very different. We all get to choose. So choose wisely and well and meet me beneath the [01:00:00] waves, if you will." And I asked if he would be willing to bring through a transmission for others so that they could listen to it and help to hold his vision and his confidence, and his understanding and this diving under the waves.

And he said, you know, I will, I always get that. You know, I'll like, you know, I do whatever. And I said, you know, and I, I thanked him for his guidance and his protection and his wisdom and all of those things. And he assures me that it is always a pleasure, 

Tava Baird: is amazing. Um, 

Uh, boy is our stuff coming through. I mean, same words and stuff too. It's, it, it is incredible. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): And the thing you couldn't see is her as she's doing that too, and we keep both making this motion, I realized like where we taking our hands with our fingers apart, apart and kind of, you know, sliding them together how they like interlace.

And so I realize that those of you listening, you can't see that, but we're kind of continually making that motion over and [01:01:00] over. Here 

Tava Baird: we go. They're just meshing together. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Um, I absolutely love that. I love the meet me beneath the waves and the diving in. um, one of the things, what you were talking about would be. You are okay if you're in a body and you're okay if you're not right. It's like, you're okay. I'm like, ah, that's not what I wanna hear.

Tava Baird: That's not what I wanna hear. It's really funny because the thing that reminds me about is, so the very first Lilith class that we do is the four mirrors. You guys heard me talk about it earlier, and there is a ritual at the end of class that involves four mirrors. Oh God. And I just realized somebody else started this whole thing off by talking about staring into a mirror.

Okay. So, in the ritual, you walk through the stages of a human life, you start [01:02:00] off looking in one mirror and contemplating, and the words are I land. In other words, your soul gets stuffed into a human body, right? You land here, right? you don't, have, you know, this ability to kind of zoom between places or be in multiple places at once or have a big picture and, uh, an incredible connection to the all.

There's a time of forgetting while you're here in this body, but you land okay? And there's a whole ritual that goes along with landing and then you move onto the mirror. That is, I create. And that is the time when you sort of start to forget your connection to the divine as much. You move out of childhood and you start to focus a lot on other people.

You start to build friendships and you start to build relationships and you have a family and you're creating homes and you're creating [01:03:00] tribes, and you are creating, things through your work, and through your play. And you're very focused. And in some cases you literally give birth to somebody, you know, like you, you create, right?

And then as you start to age, you go to the mirror that is, I walk between worlds and this is where you start to, it's, it's kind of the place that I'm in right now. And I think you've had the incredible gift to sort of always be in the third mirror, even while you were doing mirror number two stuff. When you're in that third mirror sort of development phase, it's where you suddenly go, huh, I kind of remember that there's something else out there, but I don't really have any idea what it is.

And I've been very focused on the here and now on getting to school on time and getting, making sure everybody had dinner and you know, all of that sort of during my create phase. [01:04:00] But now I, I'm going to become a spiritual pilgrim. I'm going to become more of a seeker into things that I can't see. And slowly over time you start to learn to sense the energies that, that you knew when you were out of a body.

And you start to learn to walk between worlds and you pay attention to your dreams. And you know, all of the things that we love to explore here is all walking between worlds. But then the fourth mirror is, I die and come again. When people sometimes are like, Ooh, fourth mirror, right? Because you don't wanna think about the fact that, yeah, there's gonna come a time when you aren't in the body anymore, but it's, I die and come again.

Right? And at that point, you can either choose, do you wanna be embodied again or do you wanna drift along with the all or be an unbodied, or go to a [01:05:00] different dimension, or you know, what is it you wanna do at that point? But you will come again into different place and maybe you'll return back to the first mirror in a different body.

I land and you'll land again. I land, I create, I walk between worlds. I die and come again. And so as you're moving through this ritual, the purpose of the ritual is to say it's all okay. Whether you just got here and you're a little child and you have a quote unquote imaginary friend, when you're actually probably still talking to an angel, right?

You still have a lot of these sensitivities and perceptions that 'cause you're a new soul in this body or whether you're creating and focusing on what's going on around you, or whether you're learning to walk between worlds or whether you are dying. It's all okay. It's all part of a divine cycle. And that's what it reminded me [01:06:00] of.

'cause I'm like, holy cow. That's exactly what that ritual is about. And then as you were talking about sort of what are concrete things we can do? We are here in a body right now and you know, diving into the wave to meet them down there, a lot of times we might resurface from the wave going, wow, that was incredible.

How do I start to marshal my energy here? Which path do I walk down first? There's so many options and the universe is such a big place. Do we have some concrete slips? Because it's really easy to get overwhelmed And I loved everything that Michael said, and Samael added a few in where to begin steps.

Nice. And he said in times of [01:07:00] change, start small, set things in order in your room. And as he says that I'm looking around my office, which is,

oh my Lord, um, I can't weather change. Well, if I don't know where anything is on a basic level, if I don't feel confident that I can put my hands 

on the 

calendar or supplies that I need, um, or correspondence, set things in order in your room, and he stressed to me that that didn't mean doing it for an hour, that that meant going through and letting go of things fall into the room.

What is in this room that no longer serves me? I think it's Ralph Waldo Emerson. Is that the, was it him or is it, uh, I have [01:08:00] nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful. That might be Emerson. I can't remember. I'm also thinking it might be, is it Frank Lloyd Wright who did Falling Water?

It might be him, but I think it's Emerson. There's a wonderful quote that's have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful. So everything in your house useful or beautiful, if it's not time to take it down to the charity shop so I can purchase it and make, turn it into something else.

Um, and I'll have to talk a little bit about Fallen Angel project, but we've got that. So first set things order in your room. And he says this, it's necessary so that you have a place to rest. So start with your bedroom. Whole house doesn't have to be perfect today. Spend a week or however long it takes, getting your room in order.[01:09:00]

And he said order means the elements are there, right? So you might clean and let things go, but then have something in there that is an element of water, an element of fire, an element of earth, an element of air. You know, open the window. It's supposed to be warm tomorrow. Open the window, put in a potted plant for earth, or a crystal or a stone, small fountain, maybe for water or some music with water in the background.

I happen to know a really good song, uh, that happens to be on band camp that's got water in it, guys. Oh yeah, Jen's got a really great song under, if you go to band camp Omni Vara a I gotta spell. This is what happens when I've, when I've been channeling too long. Help me spell Omni Vara, A-M-N-I-V-A-R-A.

Did I do it right? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yes. Yay. Absolutely. Yes. Sacred [01:10:00] Waters Singing Stones is One, and that has the songs and the Stones. But there's also one that just says Sacred Water for Journeying, which is just that sacred river, um, recorded and just looping. So it's just that amazing energy of that river going.

So if you don't wanna listen to me singing over top of it or you're like, all right, I can't handle, it's too much. Just even just that water recording is amazing. 

Tava Baird: Oh my God. Awesome. So, you know, slice some of that in your space. There's your water element. Um, you know, fire burn a candle, you know, give yourself a little bit of warmth, warm glow.

So set things in order in your room, and that will give you a place to retreat and rest as you do your work. Then he says, set things in order at your hearth. And we don't really use a hearth the way they used to, but he means the kitchen folks, [01:11:00] right Place where people gather, the place where they are nourished.

Get rid of the Tupperware lids that don't fit anything. Throw out the granola bars that expired six months ago. Do I know this because I just did this? Yes. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I just threw out a pile of Tupperware lids that didn't go to anything last 

Tava Baird: night. Literally, that's what recycling bins are for. Tupperware lids that go to, we don't know how it happens.

It's like the random sock in the dryer Tupperware lid that has no, how do you end up with 40 lids in 10 containers? I, I literally think that like socks, I think socks have sex in the dryer and eventually they pop out a baby. And that's that random sock. I think that Tupperware has sex in your, uh, cabinet.

You never open. And occasionally lids are born. We're gonna have 

Jennifer Taylor (2): to check. We're 

Tava Baird: have to check the adult [01:12:00] content 

Jennifer Taylor (2): content. Be like there are kids out there that now believe that Tupperware is doing it in the drawer.

Tava Baird: Um, anyway, so, oh Lord. so things in order in your hearth. Okay. Now you've moved from your own internal space to the hearth, which is feeding your family. Right? The people who there and exchange news there. I read once in a book, it was phenomenal. They said. You only do one thing every day in your house when you're overwhelmed.

It was put baking soda in your kitchen sink and scrub it out. You can't scrub out the sink if it's full of dishes. So kind of forces you to get it. Bring everything else. But they were like, if you can go to sleep with a scoured kitchen sink every night, you are [01:13:00] acing it baby. Everything else will fall into place.

You've got clean sink with water running through it, right? There's your water element in the kitchen. Got our fire element in the stove, 

right? 

Air. How can you bring air into the kitchen, burn some incense, you know, while you are cooking. Um, ri, make something that smells good. Bake bread and let that move through the air to comfort people, right?

Earth. Grow your own herbs. Cook with nourishing food that comes from the earth rather than, you know, nuking your microwave dinner. See if you can move the elements of the into your hearth. So we set things in order in our room when we set things in order in our hearth. And he says, set things in order in your yard, right.[01:14:00]

One thing is that that is your larger environment. It's also forces you to spend time out in nature, which is going to be healing and balancing for you. And when other people drive down the street and your yard is in order, you're basically like, here is the face I'm presenting to the world.

My intention is to keep order and beauty in the midst of whatever storms come through. So go out in the yard and pick up sticks. You know, pull out the weeds. It's hard in the middle of winter, you know, look around and say, are there things that need to be trimmed back? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I was gonna say a great time for pruning.

Tava Baird: Yep. P prune the heck out of it. So we start with our room, then we go to our hearth, then we go to our yard. Then he says, when those three are set, set things in order in your house. If those three places [01:15:00] are strong, everything else, you will start to feel like you have the energy to go on. And that's when you start going through room by room and saying, what is not useful?

What is not beautiful? How do I let it go? Whether it's great Aunt Edna's teapot that she's haunting. We have an podcast episode for this folks. We can find it in our list, um, or. You know, things you aspired to that you've never gotten to, um, or the pants that don't fit that you keep holding onto because you hope you'll, your body will be the same as it was when you were 23.

Ain't gonna happen folks. And if it does, treat yourself to a new pair of pants from a thrift store. Let it go. Let these things fall, and once your house is in order, then set things in order to your tribe. So then you start looking [01:16:00] around at family members, at friends, and they go, I don't know what to do.

I'm so overwhelmed and my house is a disaster and I can't think straight and I can't find anything. So you go over and you say, if you would like, I will come help you set your room, then your hearth, then your yard, and you'd start extending that sense of peace and calm through work. Zen Buddhists are all about this man cop, wood carry water, right?

Finding the divine in work and the mundane actions, repetitive actions, using them as opportunities for meditation and growth. So then you start setting things order in your tribe. Now that power is starting to grow out. People are starting to feel better about themselves. That leads to a place where they can become empowered, where they now have the bandwidth to [01:17:00] research and learn and improve themselves, and now they're going out and helping other people.

You are the model. And he said, then he says, set things in order in your village. So now there's multiple ones of you going out and bringing food to people who are sick and comforting those who are dying and helping to give requested advice to those raising children, creating things of beauty that can be passed on.

Figuring out how to marshal resources. So when you are looking, none of us is going to be able to run the United Nations tomorrow. None of us, most of us listening probably don't have access to put a law on the books tomorrow. But if we start with our room, if we start with ourselves and then we expand outwards, that is how movements [01:18:00] happen.

And a lot of the situation that we find ourselves in is because people feel isolated. It's because people don't know how to start. It's because people don't wanna go through things alone, but they think they have no choice. But if your room and your hearth and your yard are in order, then you can start to carry this out into the world and create a feeling that no one is walking alone.

I 

Jennifer Taylor (2): beautiful. I love the really concrete, physical kinds of steps and things because it's really good and important to understand the bigger philosophical perspective behind all of the things. But it's also really important for us to have those physical embodied ways of helping us through all of that too.

And I love that. [01:19:00] Uh, we've got both of those things. 

Tava Baird: So Samael's basically like your mom, clean your room. Right. And it's, it's funny too, um, because I am literally sitting in an office right now that has 9,000 separate projects going on. I'm starting to wonder if I have a DD because, you know, I am, always multitasking in here, but I learned something really interesting when I was a Montessori teacher, and I think I, what I need to do is sit back and apply it to myself.

It's always easier to apply these things to other people. I remember my very first Montessori certification. I was learning to teach three to six year olds because Montessori groups children by three year ages, right? So there's a classroom that's zero to three, a classroom that is three to six, lower elementary, six to nine, roughly.

You know, obviously you look at the individual [01:20:00] development of the child to decide the best environment for them. But I remember in my class as I was first learning Montessori philosophy, I said, well, if I've got a classroom that has three year olds, four year olds, and five year olds in it, and kid's about to turn six, who do I design the classroom for, right?

Like, I can't have an entire classroom for basically four year, three years of development all at once. And the advice they gave was designed for where the children are going. So that classroom, for the most part, is designed for six year olds. Now you're gonna put out a couple of puzzles and some familiar things for the three year olds, because when they first get there, they may have never been to school before.

And if they can't do anything, they're not gonna like school very much. So you're gonna put out some familiar things to them, puzzles that they can [01:21:00] do and feel accomplished at, but you really don't have more than a couple of shelves for that. Right. You have a, so you have things where they're learning to pour water, but then everything else has a little bit of challenge to it because ultimately those three year olds want to be six year olds.

They want to be the big kid on the block, they want to be the knowledgeable one who's teaching others, they wanna be the big brother or sister. They do. And so what they end up doing is they are doing some little comforting things for themselves, but a lot of what they're doing is observing the more complicated work and figuring out how to do it.

and that encourages them to try to move up to discover rather than sort of allowing them to stagnate in a place where everything is comfortable already. Right? they have a place of comfort, their room, if you will, but they're being challenged [01:22:00] to move on to the point where they will lead tribe or the village, right?

So you are designing the environment for who you want them to be. You want them one day to be a 6-year-old showing a three-year-old around on their first day with empathy and love and a sense of order. So what I really need to do for my office is to sit down and look at myself and say. In this calendar year, who do I want to become?

What do I want to be known for? Which of these 90 sets of supplies, if I could pick three things that I am known for, three things that I am really good at, I need to leave those supplies in front of me and everything else can get boxed up and go to the basement for what I'm ready for it. I don't have to necessarily get rid of it if I think I'll use [01:23:00] it, but it needs to be out of my space so I'm not overwhelmed so I can focus and learn.

Those three things, my environment and my interactions with my environment are gonna build who I am. Who do I want to be in 2026 And I need to design my room, my hearth, my yard for that person, because that's how I'm going to become who I want to be. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I like that a lot. So I think we have reached the P point where it is time to sing and I know that, Michael has promised to come through with a transmission of the energy to help us kind of borrow his confidence and help him to feel that sense of what it's like underneath the waves.

Tava Baird: I love that and [01:24:00] I'm so excited. We heard like you'd had all these interactions with him, so we could hear from him today, so wonderful. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): yeah, it's really exciting to get to bring through more of Michael and let everybody experience some more of him, in addition to the energy and the song and what he brings through.

That way to get to share some of his words and his wisdom that way as well has been really neat. 

Tava Baird: All right. I'll go quiet. Here we go.

Jennifer Taylor (2): [01:25:00] (Singing [01:26:00] Transmission from ArchAngel [01:27:00] [01:28:00] Michael)

So I have to tell you, while I was getting set up, I was sharing with Tava kind of off screen that I went, to prepare myself to sing, and all of a sudden this little part of a Taylor Swift song that my daughter was playing this morning on the way to school that, um, it's like, say.

Don't go. And it just kept playing over and over. It was say, [01:29:00] don't go. And I told her, I was like, what is this? What is going on? Like, I need to get that song outta my mind so I can receive the song that I'm about to bring through. And um, she was joking that Michael's like, Hey, like, don't go.

We've still got stuff to go. And I was like, all right, but this is how I usually receive messages from the Angels is like, this little piece will come in from a song and it's a message. And so right before I started to sing, I was like, okay, I get this is a message, what is it? And I felt like it was say like, Samael, like Don't tell Samael to go.

It's like, no, he's needs to be a part of this as well. And that it's like, call him in that. And I think that was just the most readily available song that he could kind of get to get across the basic idea of like, be like, oh no, Samael, we're not done with you. You, you need to be a part of it. And then as I was singing and I'd [01:30:00] invited Samael, it was like, if, you know, if you are supposed to join this, do that.

And it felt like, of course balance. if part of this is that feeling of balance, what better way to bring through that than have Michael and Samael who are these perfect balance for each other. Yes. And it seemed like so many of the motions in what I was doing. Were that, but I was like, I have to share that with everybody because it's such a prime example of like the way that I tend to get messages sometimes.

Tava Baird: That's so cool. Oh my gosh. Well, it's funny because he didn't, he obviously was otherwise engaged because he didn't say much to me while you were singing, but at the same point, your song, you were talking about it being this, you know, like, like an attunement there or, um, what did you call it? Transmission.

A transmission. I, like I've been telling you, I'm very overwhelmed in this room and I'm constantly cleaning [01:31:00] it and it never seems to get any better and there's too much. And I was like, I don't have anywhere to put this stuff. I don't have any path forward. I don't have, and as you were singing, so Sam just said, 

Turn out the lights on the world. Friends. Ignite the flame of change in your heart. And watch, so I think he's going back to that black mirror idea of you turn out the light outside, you turn on the light here when you see what happens. Then he went silent. But suddenly after weeks of me going, and I mean I've had, you know, like, I've been like, okay, I, I need to physically figure out how to do this.

As you are singing. I suddenly am like. I know where to put everything. I know where to put everything. I know where everything is supposed to go. Oh, I completely forgot. I have an empty dresser out there. Oh, I completely forgot I had this over here. Oh. I'm supposed to get rid of that thing and that goes in its place.

And everything around me just started to be like, [01:32:00] and I start writing really fast. Like I have this whole page now of like, these go here, this goes here, this goes here, this goes here. And I'm like, I know what order to do things in. I know how to put my room in order. And I have struggled with this for weeks.

And it all came through while you were singing. Wow. Oh, that's super cool. So now like I'm super psyched to like, answer people, get my proposals in and then I am tearing into this because the knowledge just came through. Like it just un something got unstuck during that song and here it all comes. That's so cool.

Yeah. Yeah. It's good. This is going to be, and 'cause I was like, when, when he was talking about put elements in your room, I'm like, the only element in this room right now is clutter. You know? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I, I feel you. the room that I am in [01:33:00] currently, the first thing, I've really needed to do is. Declutter and make the studio into a place where I love to be again.

And it's become like a place of overwhelm from the amount of stuff that needs to be rearranged. So yeah, I'm excited that by next time we podcast, we'll be a new, yes, ordered spaces. 

Tava Baird: We need to be able to be like that. That'll be the challenge. So take a visual shot of what you see behind me right now.

Um, there's like nothing on the wall behind me. There's like stuff literally hanging from thumbtacks because I don't have anywhere to put it and I'm trying to get it off the ground. Every, if, if you, if I turned this camera around and I can't because the wires are such a tangle that I will knock things over and unplug myself.

But I think I know, I think I know where everything goes. Uh, so thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. So well folks, this has been a [01:34:00] very enlightening episode. Um, thank you to Michael and of course, Samael and all of the lovely, all of you lovely listeners for being here with us today.

And, um, until next week, go forth and get ready to dance on that edge that is presented to you. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Indeed. And I do feel like. One final element or layer to the say don't go from Michael is, 'cause it came back in again, is I feel like the reminder that, you know, just because we're off of the podcast doesn't mean that he can't be there to support you and that Samael can't be there to support you and you can't continue having the feelings that you have when you feel supported in this space.

And so I think that's part of that as well. So feel free to say to Michael, don't go stay with me [01:35:00] and help me to embody this feeling. 

Tava Baird: Absolutely. See you next week folks. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Be blessed.