In the Belly: Imbolc, Power, and Soup

In this episode, Jennifer Taylor and Tava Baird discuss their winter projects and plans. They delve into the spiritual significance of winter, the importance of balance involving the head, heart, and belly, and insights into channeling energy for personal growth. The conversation also highlights Samael's wisdom on transformation via the belly, the practice of patience, and the power of revisiting one's past to understand current challenges. The podcast concludes with reflections on the importance of being fully incarnated and a final song inspired by their discussions.

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Transcript

In The Belly: Imbolc, Power, and Soup

we apologize for autocorrects that have Sekhmet's name and Samael's name distorted throughout.  Will correct when we can. 

Tava Baird (2): [00:00:00] Good morning, Jennifer Taylor. We are back. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Good morning, Tava Baird. I am excited as always to see you where today takes us. 

Tava Baird (2): Me too. it is a beautiful winter's day outside. It's actually sunny and bright. and it's supposed to be 50 degrees here in Virginia, which for us in January is pretty wreaking.

Awesome. I don't know what you are looking forward to, but I have some, 

winter projects. my husband and I are going to Home Depot today because I am going to goth up the wall behind me. 'cause right now you guys can't see it, but if we ever get this up on YouTube, you'll be able to, I'm literally podcasting in front of 

An empty baby blue wall, and I'm like, Nope, we need to dark flower this up. We're going to go for a deep blue green and fill it all full [00:01:00] of gothic frames and paintings. And it's gonna take me a while to do it, but I'm psyched. And we're also building some furniture for the markets that come up this year.

And if you don't mind, Jen, I'm gonna put in a plug for the first market of the year in case. Oh yes. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Go right ahead. 

Tava Baird (2): So folks, if you don't have anything on your schedule for Valentine's weekend and you are anywhere near Milton, Pennsylvania, you're gonna have to Google it. Yeah, it's a smaller town. There is an event space there called the Shoe Factory, and it is what it sounds like.

It's an old shoe factory that has been turned into an industrial event space and it freaking rocks. And for the sixth time, this is their sixth year on Valentine's weekend, the undead of Winter Vampire Masquerade Ball, dark Arts and Oddities [00:02:00] Market is coming to the shoe factory. And this is the second year that I have ven with them.

The vendor spaces sold out in like three days. And it is, I know some of the other vendors. This is gonna be so much fun and it's so wild. So here's what that you do. Hop online, go to the undead of winter. You will see this event, There is a dark arts and oddities market during the day, Friday night.

There is a vampire dance party on the floor above where they have a bar and dance, and these guys are, they have some incredible lighting and like theater technicians that design and like this whole thing. People come in vampire costume with Fang and the contact lenses, and so you can go shopping and then go upstairs and party Friday night.

Then on Saturday, the dark arts and oddities market [00:03:00] is open again all day. And then Saturday night is the big deal. It's the piece of the vampires. You have to be 18 to come the vampires all come in full regalia. There is a giant dinner upstairs that is lit and decorated, like you are literally in a vampire movie with the full bar and the, and a stage.

And there are also opportunities for you to do your own vampire photo shoots. They have all these vignettes set up in the nooks and crannies of the room where you can get into a coffin or sit on a throne surrounded by vampire. Crops. They have all of these things. You will take the best photos of your life on your phone at this event.

And then after the big, feast of the Vampires banquet, [00:04:00] then they bring out the performers. They usually have snake charmers. They have silk dancers who are hanging from the ceiling to performing. They have people performing with fire, they have live bands to dance to. It is an absolute blast.

So if you're looking for something fun and definitely memorable to do with your honey on Valentine's weekend, get the up to the Vampire Market, come find me. I will be with Idle Hands. We have a triple wide space at the Dark Arts and Oddities market, and you can come visit with my little haunted dolls that are coming along for the first time.

Jennifer Taylor (2): My goodness, that is quite the event. I can only imagine. 

Tava Baird (2): I'm so excited. I have to, fit my teeth sometime this week so that my fangs are ready to go. I have a Kit by Scarecrow, which does, yeah, if you guys are looking for good fangs, [00:05:00] a lot of the ones like online are just, ugh, but scarecrow, you can actually find them.

if you, Google them, they have a kit that will fit over your incisors, but it's actually made of dental grade silicon I think it is. you can reuse the fangs over and over again, and they will mold to the way that your mouth works, so that you can have your very own reusable set of things.

so yeah, get your teeth on, find yourself your yellow contact lenses. dress yourself in velvet and, hang out with us. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): That sounds like lots of fun. And 

Tava Baird (2): it 

Jennifer Taylor (2): is, well, I'm currently teaching a Reiki masterclass, but I feel like I don't have the rest of the things that I wanna do on the calendar yet because they're still evolving.

But I feel like I should put it out there because there's a greater chance of this manifesting faster, I think if I put out there that I am doing these things. So I am [00:06:00] designing a course for people who want to be able to learn to channel song, through their voice or channel, through instruments and also through movement.

since that's. One of the really the biggest ways that I bring through energy at this point for healing and also messages, for myself and others that way. And I've had a number of requests for that. So I am working on getting that designed and figuring out exactly how to put that out there. And I've also become aware that Omni Vara is, we've talked about that, that is the temple of song.

It is this place that exists in this, other realm that has been being created by every song I've ever sung in any all of my incarnations. And it is held by a whole host of divine beings, angels, Mary Magdalene, [00:07:00] nature, spirits and beings, and all of these different beings that come there to receive healing and also to guide and provide healing for others.

And I've received an attunement to that and a pre attunement. I was, supposed to come in and do the attunement and then all of a sudden it was like, no, there's a pre attunement. So there's something that, that helps to prepare your energy to receive that connection. And then there's something that connects you and actually built a bridge.

Like we walk in on a bridge of light and then spend time there. And then we walk out on a bridge that becomes created out of like stones to make it so that you will be able to go back and forth to access All of the healing and wisdom and guidance that's in Omni and I'm still, this is all still developing.

I'm feeling like all of a sudden different things will come through and I'm like, water on. And water starts this water energy starts [00:08:00] pouring through my shoulders and all these different things keep happening. So I'm still exploring it and figuring out exactly how to help people to be able to access this energy, but I'm saying it out and putting it out there to make sure that it's coming, into greater manifestation so that I have all of this stuff I can share with you.

Tava Baird (2): I cannot wait. I'm so excited about that.Let's see. Oh, there is one other thing that I wanted to mention. We're just literally doing so much stuff that we're like, oh wait, people, guess what else we're doing? so as, a lot of, you know, I teach Li Lithian Magic. I have a whole series of magic classes that are channeled from Samiah and that teach, his and Lilith's worldview, and the way that they perceive things, and I pass them onto you all in the classes.

And one of the themes that [00:09:00] has come up because Li Lithian magic is very inclusive. It is very accepting. It is full of radical empathy, is what we say. those that society has cast aside and demonized are all welcomed by Lilith. And if you go with that idea, then the act of upcycling is also a Li Lithian practice.

You're taking an item that nobody really wants anymore. You're often getting it from a charity shop where the money goes to provide, services for people who need them, who are having difficulty. and then you're taking an item that basically has no longer has any power or much value in a lot of people's eyes and turning it into something powerful.

And so I started something. if you're at your desk and you've got nothing to do and you want something [00:10:00] fun to read. I started something called the Fallen Angel Project and I blog about it on tab of bear.com. and if you wanna get regular updates when this happens, I don't send out a lot of stuff, but you can go on the site and pop in your email and when I send out the alert that the new post is up, you can see it.

What I do is I take items, a lot of times they are wooden statuary or folk art that are in bad shape, are damaged, are unwanted, and I upcycle them into. something much more powerful. The first one that I did that you can read about went from being a folk art angel that looked like it was highly flammable and was turned into a black moon lilith alter icon statue that was 15 inches tall.

I get out the Dremel tools. I use all sorts of different [00:11:00] items and then I paint and transform the item into something that has power. And then what I do with them is I sell the finished items and the money from the finished items goes to cover class fees for people who want to learn about the lithium magic, but cannot afford to take the classes or buy the supplies.

So it's a win-win, win all the way around. We're taking something that is, low energy and down on its luck. We are upcycling it into something positive while making a donation to a cause that helps people, who are having a difficult time. somebody on Etsy gets a one of a kind handmade alter icon or doll, and then the funds go to help provide education in the Pagan community.

So if you'd like to read more about the Fallen Angel project or perhaps support it, just jump on tova [00:12:00] bear.com and you'll be able to see step by step photographs and me blogging about the whole process of transformation and how it intersects with the lithian magic. And then,you can go shopping on Etsy later on.

If you feel like it. Maybe take one home. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): It is so beautiful. I love absolutely everything about that project and getting to see it and the transformation I mean, it is just so beautiful at the end. the beauty and the power and the meaning behind all of it and all the ways that it helps so many is just, absolutely.

I couldn't love it more. 

Tava Baird (2): Thank you. 

I think a lot of people, and not just of mainstream faiths, but even pagans, we really want to make our faith part of our daily life. We wanna integrate it with how we live.

But it's hard to do when you are, crying very hard to just get dinner on the table and get your kids to bed on time with their homework done [00:13:00] and keep up with everything your boss is throwing at you and still, make it to the gym and, keep, the vacuuming going. It's hard to set aside time to be spiritual.

And one of the things that I love is that you can work upcycling into your life just by looking at the way you live. you go to throw out your kitchen scraps and you go, Nope, gonna compost these. I'm going to use them. I'm gonna use these straps of herbs to blessing water.

There are so many ways to upcycle items that normally would've been passed down, and it's time to the earth. Which, in Li Lithian magic, the wild is the ultimate expression of the divine right. And being in touch with our wild selves is the closest it puts us into a much more heightened state of divinity.

[00:14:00] So living this sort of lifestyle that is closer to the earth, that is kinder to people around you, and that is inventive and creative is all li Lithian magic. And it allows you to add that element to your life and live the magic that you are doing every day. And I love that aspect of it. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, upcycling.

I've been super passionate about that for years now and yeah, I get so excited when I figure out a way that I can reuse something and turn it into something else or donate it, there's, 

yes, 

always donation places. I feel like most anywhere you'll be able to find somewhere you can donate things 'cause not everybody has the time to, reuse it themselves, but if you can find places you can donate it, it's amazing the types of things that you can find places for and just drop it off and, someone else can upcycle it or someone else can use it exactly as it is.[00:15:00]

Tava Baird (2): As a matter of fact, I was gifted a whole stack of lovely things from you yesterday. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh. 

Tava Baird (2): Or my project, or give it to 

Jennifer Taylor (2): your crafty 

Tava Baird (2): friends. Yeah. I got beautiful cloth from Jen that she's not using anymore, that is gonna be worked into, Lili themed poppets and just trays and trays of beads and jewelry that I can add to different projects, to leather work, to adorn some of the upcycled, entities.

I'm just, it was very kind of you. I'm so thrilled. Y'all wanna be Jen's friend because she does wonderful. Thanks. It gives you recipes for amazing soups. He donates incredible stuff to you for your artwork, and she also edits the podcast really fast sometimes when you're having a really busy week. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I have to say, being your friend has a whole lot of perks as well.

Tava Baird (2): Well. I absolutely adore you. but now I'm looking [00:16:00] forward to music too. Yeah. Another perk of you. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Let's do this. 

Tava Baird (2): Let's do some music and see what comes through. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. as I was rushing around, changing from the barn, I had a song come in already that's been going in my head. So I think that was, that's really interesting.

So I have a feeling that's gonna be what's coming through. So we'll see what, comes in along with it, from Samuel. Okay. 

Tava Baird (2): He's been a little quiet the last day or so I think, 'cause I've been bone reading for people so much. So Israel's been around, so I am very intrigued about what he's gonna talk about too.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Interesting. And I know we had some possible questions. we'll see what he wants. 

Tava Baird (2): We'll see what he does. You never know 

Jennifer Taylor (2): what, clearly Michael's already onto something from the song, so. Yeah, there's already an agenda. We just don't know about it. 

Tava Baird (2): I meant to tell you something wild that happened yesterday.

So before we go into the song, so I went guys, I went out [00:17:00] to my driveway to meet Jen. My husband was still working inside as I walked back into the house with the stack of all the things that you'd given me, I was thinking, oh wow, the energy in these is gonna be so great because it's from Jen.

And as soon as I had that thought. Just ringing in my ears the whole rest of the way into the house. And I do not usually get ringing in my ears. It rang, my ears were ringing all the way into the house. I carried the things all the way into my office. 'cause I have a work table and I was gonna do a couple of bone readings and then sit down and start looking through stuff.

And I put them down on the table and the ringing starts. And it was so obvious to me that it was Michael, like just escorting your energy into the house. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, that's so interesting. Maybe he is like, it's not just Jen's energy. Here we go. That is, coming along with this. This comes with an angelic, escort.[00:18:00]

Tava Baird (2): Yeah, it was really funny. But what was so wild was me going, man, what is going on with my ears? And I put the things down on the table and it like goes, boom. That's awesome. Oh, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): that's fascinating. Oh, I love it. 

Tava Baird (2): So I think I had a little mini Michael visitation yesterday. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. 

Tava Baird (2): All right.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Okay.

All right, so now let's see what Michael has to say as well through the song.

[00:19:00] [00:20:00] [00:21:00] [00:22:00]

Tava Baird (2): Okay. This is nothing I would've ever predicted.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, boy. 

Tava Baird (2): Boy's. Talking about soup. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): About soup. 

Tava Baird (2): Talking about soup and power, right? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh boy. 

Tava Baird (2): Wait till you get a load of this. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Wow. Soup and power, 

Tava Baird (2): I think we are definitely gonna have to put soup and power as an episode title because I highly doubt that anybody in the history of the world has ever titled a podcast episode Soup and Power.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I, 

Tava Baird (2): but it makes sense. But I 

Jennifer Taylor (2): would wager that bet. 

Tava Baird (2): And actually what [00:23:00] this is as, as he started talking and I thought, where is he going with this? What this is, if he is describing to us a Li Lithian manifestation bell, essentially for winter. So here we go. Wow. You ready? 

he started off and said, the womb of winter, the tree limbs are the bones of what will become a time when the voices are free to echo off the rock and the waters still Voice carries. Not a time to endure, but a time to celebrate, to observe a world strict, clean, and the transformation of fire. What is next for you?

When you appear again in spring [00:24:00] amongst your clan? This is when you are waiting to be born. I have seen it countless times. When a human stops emerging, stops moving, they die. Even in meditative stillness, there is movement in the soul. And so traveler, at this time of year when the stars are bright and dry, what will be your destination?

In what form will you arrive? The banquet of Spring. Now, people who are listening, Jen sang, and that was from the first singing, but then she was a little worried that her rattle might mess up recording? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, 

Tava Baird (2): so she's saying again, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): but she 

Tava Baird (2): continued. So this first part is he's talking about the nature of winter and how a [00:25:00] lot of us just sort of shut down in winter.

But he is saying that it's actually healthiest for us to be in a state of movement and to understand that even in winter it's not that the earth outside is dead, it's just that it's different that in the summertime there's so much greenery and trees and things that we can't hear, our own voices reflecting off of rock and stone, which we can now that we can't see the true underlying structure of the trees, which we can now that the world is stripped down to the bone right now.

We can see aspects. Of the wild and nature that aren't obvious at the times of year when we are more comfortable outside. So he's talking a little bit about that magic and about finding a way to use it and say, we are in a slower state, but we are still moving and transforming. [00:26:00] And what we can do right now is think about when we step back out into society and we're going to do, we're much more social and we're going and doing outdoor activities, and we're having parties and celebrations and going to the pool and all of these things, going to spring sports.

Who do we want to be when we return to society? And so that's a great question. But in the next section, he's actually telling us, giving us a little guidance on how to get our brains in the right place to contemplate this. And here is where the soup comes in. Okay. So he says to find these answers, eat of the earth.

Endure your intention into the thick life in the pot. Experience it with your senses in the way only the [00:27:00] human hand. Bless these gifts that were brought to you and who gave them. Let the heat of their transformation warm you and anticipate. Walk the edge of hunger. Feel the longing for taste and satisfaction.

Let time raise your bread and bring through your wine. Think about what it means. Who wants. And in that space, that place between longing and satisfaction, you will find a powerful magic. Most humans run past that edge. You will not from that place, other places will be revealed and you will learn. Who were you [00:28:00] when you were a child on the edge of growth and manifestation.

semi is giving us here a meditation, right? That starts off with, I'm so grateful for. You know, I'm looking maybe at a stew of beef and potatoes and carrots and corn and mushrooms, you know, whatever it is.

And herbs, a broth maybe. And I am expressing my gratitude for everyone who brought this to my table from the animal. if there's meat in your, dish, anywhere from those animals who gave their lives the plants, and I'm offering all of them blessings because in our mass produced society where we're trying to feed people at a huge rate, we often don't take the time, we just put it in the pot and cook it and get it done right?

People are hungry. [00:29:00] We want to take them last hunger to a place where they feel satisfied. But he's saying to. Move through a slow meditation of gratitude as everything goes into this pot. And then once you've done that, start reflecting on your own reaction to what's there, to, the fact that you're hungry, that you might wanna taste it and see what it tastes like, that you have an anticipation of your family or your friends sitting down and eating together.

And he says that rather than just blowing through and rushing to get to those places where everything is satisfied to instead, spend a little time walking that edge, hold the spoon for an extra moment before you [00:30:00] take that first taste to. Examine your hunger rather than to fear it and rush past it.

And that when you're walking that edge between those two state, you will learn things. You will see things and different insights will be given to you in a place that you normally just want to run. And he says that when you spend time in that edge state, by the way, this is like the foundational, this is a different version of the foundational lessons of the magic that he teaches, right?

if you had come into a Lilith class, you'll hear about five other examples that are right along this line. But then what we can do is that teaches us not to fear other edges, right? And to spend more [00:31:00] time in them. Then what he wants us to do once we're a little more comfortable in that edge state and we have more insights, is to apply it to the transformation of ourselves.

So we spend time watching the transformation from raw meat cook or from, a collection of varied ingredients into a cohesive food that nourishes. We're watching all those energies come together and transform in the fire. He wants you to contemplate the edge that you were on when you were a teenager, when you were the, at the edge of childhood, not yet in a place of power where you could bring more things through as an adult.

Maybe it was that summer that you couldn't quite drive, or maybe it was, while you were waiting to have freedom when you first, moved further away from your family. And he [00:32:00] wants you to think about who you were. What were the things that you wanted? Were they satisfied? And what can you learn by looking back at the own edges of transformation in your life?

Are there things that needed to be satisfied that weren't? And perhaps those needs are affecting you now. Perhaps they're creating blockages in your energy. Perhaps you needed validation or love or acknowledgement or your own space or, ways to express yourself. Those things might have been shut down for one reason or another due to lack or sorrow or perhaps just the fact that people thought they were inappropriate and he wants you to look back at them and see is there power that you [00:33:00] left behind there in those edge states too that you might want to go back and rela.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Wow, I really love that. as you were talking more about that time of, like being a teenager and just before you got in out into the world and anticipating that moment I could really feel that energy and that for me it was filled with hope and excitement and just this zest for life.

This. You know, before the quote unquote realities of the world and all of the, things of oh, that's not practical, that's not whatever, that's not something you can do in the real world kind of thing. There was this huge sense within me of, I can do anything and I'm going to make a huge difference in the world.

That was like the biggest, I think, feeling that I had was I [00:34:00] was so excited because I knew I was going to make this huge difference in the world and that was the thing that drove me and that I was so, I was just so excited and. Then, you get out in the world or went to college, got out and thought and, changed majors a million times, graduated from college and thought I'm gonna go out and do it.

had all of these wonderful ideas and dreams and then was like, wow, this is a lot harder than I thought and I need to make money like now. 

Right? 

And, so much of that fell aside and it was like, it's fallen down, you know? And then it was like, okay, now that needs to be replaced with, oh yeah, there are bills to pay and, those kinds of things.

And I would imagine that that's probably not an uncommon series of things. Not at all. And it's really interesting that I feel like I am now stepping back into that, [00:35:00] but there's more of the world, the messages that I picked up along the way on top of you know, that's not practical, that's not whatever you need to focus more on.

You know, this, that, or the other, like practical kinds of things. And it was pretty cool just even for those moments when you were talking to tap back into that sense of I can do anything right. You know, I can, I'm gonna make a huge difference in the world. And boy, bringing more of that into everything.

And I still have that because that's how I got here. that's how all of this came around. But tapping into that huge well of that, that was all built up then. And that excitement of, I'm just about to unleash myself onto the world kind of thing. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): That boy there, there is a lot of power in that.

Tava Baird (2): There is. 

I ran into somebody the other day, [00:36:00] that was a parent of children I used to teach and I hadn't seen them in many years and I'd lost touch with them, but I adore them. And we ran into each other in a thrift store of all places as I was looking for, items for the Fallen Angel project.

And so there was that, oh, how are you? And, and showing each other photographs of their children who were now grown and catching up. And this person hadn't seen, didn't know that I'd retired from teaching. And so they said, what are you doing? And I said, oh, I retired. 

They said, you're too young to retire. You're a lot younger than I am. And I was like, Nope, nope. We are basically the same age. And they said, oh, well, are you enjoying all your time off? And I started to laugh and I said, so the funny thing about that is that I,started a business what's also funny is, so this was the second interaction like this that I'd had in about 24 hours just before that I had run into somebody that used to [00:37:00] work at the school that I was at, who then had left.

And I hadn't seen them in about a decade. And so in both of these cases, I was faced with someone who said to me, you know, so what are you doing? And they had this idea that, I'm planting two lips and eating V bonds and that, that's pretty much my day. And there was this moment as I realized I was going to have to tell both of them that I.

channel an archangel and, that I have a witchcraft business. And so I paused there for a second, and then I thought, oh, screw it. Here we go. And I'm like, actually, this is what happened. I wrote some books and I, and of course they're like, what, what, what, what? 

And I said, yeah, you know, the publisher's bringing out the first one. And I'm pretty much finished writing the, novel, between, birdie and the Spiral Pathways. And she went novels. And I said, that doesn't count the nonfiction books. And I have an Etsy shop and I have a podcast that's been going on with Jennifer Taylor for a couple of years.

And, I'm listing all these things, the haunted house and the [00:38:00] cemetery and the, spiritual consulting business and the bone readings and everything. And she just looked like, what in the world? And so we chatted for a little while and then we went our separate ways.

Shopping. And she came back around to me later and she said, I hope you don't think it's odd, but we're talking about you as we walk through the store, and I didn't want you to cross paths with us again, like in an exile and just hear us talking about you. And she said, we're talking about you because you reinvented yourself.

And I thought, I didn't. This is who I've always been. I just had to keep it hidden. Then I realized there were things that I was attracted to and that I loved when I was a teenager. I loved to paint, but I didn't have a space to do it in there. I was fascinated by witchcraft and actually started practicing when I was a young teenager, but I had to keep it hidden, right?

And I started thinking about all of [00:39:00] these things that made my soul light up with so many restrictions on them. When I was a teenager because I was living in someone else's house who had a different religious background that I did. if I was interested in something and they didn't think it was cool, it wasn't going to happen because they were the finances, right?

But what I've done now, now that I'm in my fifties, is yes, we're paying the bills and I'm making sure that the recycling gets where it's supposed to go and that family is taken care of and that there's food on the table. But I went back and I got those things that I wasn't allowed to do and said, screw it.

I'm doing it now a lot of times we think of our lives as adults, as I'm just trying to get the bills paid this month and make all the meetings that I'm supposed to make this month and make sure my kid gets through the semester. If you are doing those things, yes, it feels like you're treading water [00:40:00] and you're always in motion, but you are also successful at life, right?

You are living an adult life that is successful. You are keeping the balls in the air. We've gotta have enough time to make one of those balls, our own power and journey, our own reinvention. To say that as I walk through handling all of these things, I'm gonna walk through looking and talking and walking my truth.

We can find out what our truths are a lot of times by journeying back to that big edge at the end of high school when you said, I can do anything, and if you thought you could do anything and change the world, then. Now you actually have some more resources to do it. You are in a position to make decisions.

You are in a [00:41:00] position to get in a car, drive down to the craft store and buy the canvas and a couple tubes of paint, right? And then come home and say, the kitchen table is mama's between six and 8:00 PM tonight. Everybody make your own macaroni and cheese. I'm gonna feed my soul. And he's saying that in the winter time when it's slower and stiller, this is a time to think, who do I want to emerge as in the spring?

Let's build it now by looking back at my edges and figuring out, additional sources for power that I may have had to have leave behind before, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): you know, hearing you. Talk about all of that. I was like, yeah, this is why the song. So as I was part of the way through the song, [00:42:00] I became aware. I was like, this does not sound like a normal, Michael song.

there were elements of it that where I could feel him, but I was like, this is not a Michael song. And I have been thinking about SEC Met for the last 24 hours really strongly, and I have felt more of her presence again in my life. And one of the things, one of her titles that I love is She Before Whom Evil Trembles is a title, like one of her big kind of titles.

And I thought, yeah, I think it's time I need to. To work with SME more as I'm doing all of this, and I'm bringing all this out. I need that fire. for those who aren't familiar with her, she is a lionhead goddess. from, Egypt, 

There's a temple to her. there's what's considered the last living statue, which is a [00:43:00] statue of her in a temple. And people swear that standing before it, you can feel it's like this is absolutely alive. Like she, her energy is totally there. I've journeyed to that many times. not physically in my physical body, but I have felt that.

That connection. And I have, one of those, the statuary things right in the window. I see her every morning. But Michael, since he came in, has really been, primary in my attention. he's gotten a lot more of my focus and attention but periodically things will kind of step in.

And s mets also the reason you've heard me talk about like eating things and how energetically I'll have to eat things. That's that SME that's working with her, she's transformed. Oh my goodness. And transformation in her belly is how she transforms things. So she will like, eat these things and [00:44:00] transform them in her belly.

She, this divine alchemy is a big part of her. So she worked with me that way, was in me and then would have me eat the things. because initially I would give it to her and she would eat it and she would transform the things. but as I was singing, I was feeling, I was like, this has a really different, feel to it.

And this is such a, in the belly kind of time. I know you were talking about that. Um, in bulk. In bulk, you know, is in the belly. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know, while I guess we're not quite really too in bulk, we're building that like that. It's things are ge stating beneath the earth.

And I was thinking, oh, that fiery transformation in the belly, of semet is an energy that gets things moving. it's galvanizing, like gets you in and gets you moving and helps to inspire, action and gives you that [00:45:00] power and inspiration and that sense of confidence and courage to, to step out and to do these things what a perfect pairing with what Samuel was saying.

'cause initially I was thinking, wow, so all of this, segment energy, what does that have to do with, the soup and stuff, but power, she is all about standing in your power, finding your balanced power.

Not in I'm going to overpower someone, but I'm going to stand in my own divine power and know. Know what is mine, know myself and have the courage to say, this is me. this is who I am unabashedly, and to walk through the world that way. So what a perfect combination. even the instrument that you gave me, so the instrument that you hear in the background, I was inspired part of the way through the song to, to get, it.

So, one of [00:46:00] my yle presence from Tava was this beautiful. this one in particular is really special because

It's actually made out of a horseshoe. So it's a metal horseshoe with this really thick, strong wire that goes between it and all of these kind of like zals, it's like little pairs of zals all lined up on it. And so when you, move it like up and down or side to side, it makes a really, clingy kind of sound.

And that is, it's an Egyptian, It's an ancient Egyptian instrument and I have wanted one for a long time and it actually just came up again when I was, looking into the new John Stewart Reed who does all of the, 

somatics and, sound made visible and all kinds of research into cymatics and into, into sound and healing. Was talking about the [00:47:00] citro and it activating the pineal gland. And so I thought that was really neat too.

It also, for me, has a very clearing kind of sound, at least in the way that I was using it. It has this sort of sense of this feeling of breaking things up andshaking things up and getting things moving. Although it says. Online that it was actually the sound of the ster was intended to imitate the sound of a breeze blowing through papyrus reads along the Nile, a sound that was believed to pacify the gods and goddesses, especially Hathor and Isis.

And I think we've talked about that. Some people had thought, I believe that Hathor was the kind of tamed version of segmented. 

I was called to bring that in again as well. And I thought this feels kind of segment like as well. Well 

Tava Baird (2): there's that whole Egyptian tie in there too. Yes.

Well, I like, it's funny 'cause I [00:48:00] knew the instrument had its start in Egypt, but I didn't know the whole wind passing through the reeds along the Nile. That's really 

Jennifer Taylor (2): cool. Yeah, I didn't either or really 

Tava Baird (2): like 

Jennifer Taylor (2): that, you know, looking at the different, looking at different designs of it. You know, this is definitely a unique version.

The one that you, uh, that you gave me is definitely a really unique version of, um, of Arum. It's almost kind of a 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah, don't, the other ones, aren't they almost like a hairbrush handle with the little Vs on either side? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yes. Yeah. I've 

Tava Baird (2): seen ones like that. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. I guess the other ones maybe have a little bit not as harsh of a sound, probably right as this one, if it's supposed to sound like the reads through things.

But this definitely has a very strong power to do it. It's 

Tava Baird (2): a real strong one. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Really strong. But I was like, well strong is, SAC Met is all about [00:49:00] strong, but I thought it was really interesting the energy that was coming in and the energy in the song was also, it felt. Like uplifting and exciting, like, yeah, let's get up and do something.

And then that shaking it up, breaking up the stagnancy, of that very unique kind of system seemed like it all actually goes together. it's like eventually we find out how everything actually goes together when we start out thinking really how is that, how 

Tava Baird (2): is that going to tie in?

Exactly. I loved what you were saying about, segment eats things and transforms them. And we do too. We often just don't do it really consciously. We grab whatever's around and put it in our mouth because we're hungry and we don't,realize that this thing is becoming part of us now. It's becoming part of us and our stomach and digestive system and all of that is going to [00:50:00] perform.

Alchemy and turn it into energy. And the type of energy that comes out is going to affect how we interact with everything around us. It's going to affect the quality of energy that we are then able to put out there to create and to interact and to speak. we get so busy that that transformative process of the belly often just goes unnoticed.

And, you mentioned in bulk, and it was funny because I had written the word in bulk down on my notebook, like a fraction of a second before you said it. For people who aren't familiar though in bulk is a holiday in Ireland and it actually marks the start of spring, although it seems to be in the dead of winter, and it's, February 2nd, 

February 1st. You'll see it on a lot of those Wheel of the year Pagan calendars. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yep. And we talked about it some in the last podcast too. 

Tava Baird (2): We did it [00:51:00] means in the belly. And so this is because the sheep are pregnant with their lambs, right? That they will give birth to in the spring.

But I love this other interpretation of in the belly, we're talking about the fire of the belly and the transformative process in alchemy that happens inside us. we always think of, babies in the belly, although they're not technically in the belly. But, this idea that we have our own cauldron, our own hearth fire right here at the center of us.

So, there is a fantastic yoga studio, it's a little ways from our houses called Roots and River. And we have a friend there. who runs Roots and River named Michelle. And it's interesting, Michelle knows a lot of Chinese medicine and if I remember correctly, during the winter months, in her yoga classes, she does a lot of yin yoga [00:52:00] classes that focus on the belly and the intestines and the energy that is there, and on digesting things and processing them and letting parts of the body relax so that things can be processed and digested both physically and metaphysically.

And I'd be really interested to find out if my memory is correct and if there are also things about this time of year in Chinese medicine that have to do with the belly and the intestines. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, that's really interesting. When I think about, the chakra. That are related to those areas, the stomach.

and the transformation in the stomach part and digestion would be, the solar plexus chakra. So that like kind of yellow fiery sun will kind of thing. And then [00:53:00] Right. the intestines and all of that would be in the sacral chakra. And it's an interesting balance, really, the types of things that Sam seem to be talking about as well, the sacral chakra is all about what brings us pleasure and self care and flow and allowing and 

having that. Sense of I have the right to have wants and desires and what do I personally really need? which scent really resonates most with me? Or what foods do I really personally like, and sorting that out from maybe what I usually eat because that's what the people in the house most like, 

But kind of sifting through those thoughts and feelings of just being able to have my personal likes and dislikes and what is it that really feeds me. And then that fire, it's like going back and forth between those spaces of. [00:54:00] Working with that, but then also bringing it up into a balanced, healthy version of the solar plexus chakra, which is where you get to exert that and manifest it into the world.

I feel like the third chakra gets a bad rap because a lot of times people talk about, the world is living in its third chakra and all why that's not working for humanity , and we need to move up to the heart chakra. which is true.

But when that chakra is , healthy, balanced it has a lot of beneficial qualities! . That's the chakra where we manifest things into the world. So we can take the messages we've received through the sacral of what we love and. What brings us pleasure and we can balance that with the information from our heart chakra, which is above it, and we can alchemize those, we can bring those two and mix them perfectly and bring them into manifestation in the world through that, solar plexus chakra, and [00:55:00] that's, very much a Sekhmet kind of thing. knowing yourself and what you need and who you are, but then being able to move it forward into the world and, manifesting that in a balanced, healthy way.

not in a dominating kind of way, but in a healthy way. Right. 

Tava Baird (2): I love that you brought up the concept of balance there too. And it was actually making me think, back before Yule, we were talking to Jason Mankey, we were talking about winter and how it had, this sort of strange dichotomy in that for a lot of our ancestors, winter at times was, are we going to make it to spring?

Do we have enough food? Do we have enough firewood? it was a time where, a lot of people got ill and passed away in the winter and resources were scarce. But there was the flip side with the holidays in there where, they had butchered the animals and they had stockpiled things [00:56:00] and there were feasts and there was at certain times an abundance of food and drink.

it's interesting to me because you're looking there at lack and surplus and people probably spent those winter months walking between the two. The thing that was also interesting to me that Samiah said is he said something about, give something about time. Raising your bread.

Let me find it. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I like 

Tava Baird (2): that.let time raise your bread and bring through your wine. And I think for a lot of us, in our culture, immediacy has become important to us. We are now in a place where, we automatically click on next day shipping. And if we want to learn something new, we often become frustrated with ourselves that we're not an expert at it immediately.

Lots of [00:57:00] things are sold to us as you can get this quick, evaluate this not necessarily on its quality, but on how was delivered to you. Right? And, we caught up in that rush. But if you think about it from the beginning of humanity, the time is a transformative process. You can't make bread raise in 10 minutes, no matter how much 

fast rise yeast you put in, it takes time. You can't turn, grapes into wine overnight. Well, unless you're Jesus, I guess, you know, water to wine sort of thing. But time is in there and it lends its quality. The things you know, all good alcohols take time. If you're gonna bourbon barrel age something, you have to let things in.

Winter really is a time for letting things deep, for soaking the [00:58:00] tea and the water long enough that it goes past just a flavor and becomes medicinal, right, to really letting things brew and raise and rise. And so in this time, especially in January, things slow down. if you're a storekeeper, you know that you go from the rush of the holiday season to nobody's walking through my doors.

And while our society tries to, keep productivity constant, even in the winter months, we are designed to rest and brew and steep. And there are places where we can take opportunities rather than saying, oh, business isn't as busy as it normally is going, great.

Let me use this time to prepare myself and my endeavors for when it is busy so that I arrive there more balanced and prepared. [00:59:00] this is the time to soak in the warm water, to stay in bed a little bit longer, to wallow in your creative pursuits, to sit by the fire and let yourself slowly knit that sweater rather than ordering it to be delivered.

What is it that you can let sit and brew in your belly at this time and you're gonna see a better quality of things come spring when you do. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I like that. I like, also another way that I was interpreting that when he was saying, you know, let time raise your bread and,make the wine.

So often there's an urgency for me. I get a sense of where all this is headed and then I'm trying to rush the process. I'm trying to get there as fast as possible. So 

Like you were saying, this immediacy that trying to push. processes along faster [01:00:00] that aren't meant to go that way. if I relax and let time, you know, he's saying Let time raise your bread. The idea of, okay, what are things that are brewing with inside me?

What are things that are growing and germinating and that are in process that I'm trying to hurry up, or I'm thinking that I need to make all of this happen. I need to be the person to get this done, or I need to, just keep tending to it and tending to it and working on it and adding fuel to the fire and doing all these things.

Maybe there are some of these processes that need to just be. set down, if you worry dough while it's rising, it will fall. you can't, constantly, over tend that dough or it will fall,

we're trying to do ourselves [01:01:00] processes that could just be done with time.

we could just allow time and the natural evolution of things to take over some of these things as opposed to needing to feel like we need to just keep pushing things forward and pushing things forward. 

Tava Baird (2): It's interesting too when, as you're talking about that, I'm thinking about the relationship with Samuel, right?

And with us, what he tends to do is he gives us a little nugget of wisdom and he lets us start working on it. But if we ask too many questions, if we're like, well, when, exactly. How does that work? He will just go quiet. I'm slowly learning.

Okay? He's not gonna tell me right now. And what 

Jennifer Taylor (2): always 

Tava Baird (2): happens to us 

Jennifer Taylor (2): is 

Tava Baird (2): two months down the line, four months down the line, six months down the line, we start having experiences that are the answer to the questions we asked him months [01:02:00] earlier. And then he will elaborate. 

He's always looking at the lessons and the knowledge that he passes on to us in the context of, is this the right time? And we wanna know. So we always go, well just tell us. And a lot of times he just won't, 

There needed to be time there for the information to sit. I had somebody last night, I've been getting tons of bone reading requests. And I had someone who had a bone reading like two weeks ago, and they wrote me and said, I'm so excited about my last bone reading.

How often do you, and how frequently do you recommend that I get one Now, you know, from a business standpoint, I could have been like, we'll have a reading every day. Right. You know? But the thing is, bone readings are looking at an energetic picture around you, and if you are [01:03:00] having one every day, they're just gonna repeat themselves for the most part.

Now, if you're a bone reader reading for yourself and you wanna see how your day is going, that's one thing. But I'm talking about when people call up and they're getting a 45 minute energetic analysis. Right. And I said to her, the thing is, my bone readings all come out with a, here's the energy that I see.

And here are the first steps to undertake. If you want to see this energy grow, here is what you need to do. And so I said, if you have more than one a month, it's time for any of the stuff that I told you about to. And even a month seems really short to me, right? You, if you get this information that these energies that you weren't aware of are at work and you get a possible direction to [01:04:00] travel in to, to work with them and to build a symbiotic relationship with them, you have to have time for those relationships to build.

You have to have time to get used to working with that energy. You have to have time to see. And find the answers that will put you in a place to ask an informed question. Again, if you're just constantly saying, tell me, tell me, tell me. You are not ever going to have an opportunity to really experience the growth that is supposed to come out of this.

You've got to take the time. And it's just interesting to me. People get so excited about getting the information that they just want to keep getting the information without realizing no, you have to execute the marching orders that come with the information, or you are not going to really understand the [01:05:00] power of what is being laid before you.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, initially it was so exciting, the idea of being able to get information from Sam aisle and I think he was very forthcoming, I think for a long time. Like just feeding us answers and feeding us information .

And then we got to a point where it's like, okay, now you're gonna have to sort this out because otherwise I'm negating the purpose of your incarnation to just continue, constantly feed you the answers without you discovering them and you figuring 'em out. And so giving just the right amount of time, like you were saying, just the right amount of information at just the right time, and then letting it sit and letting us, sit through it.

And I totally get that sense that. It's so exciting to have just an answer to be having, you know, wrestled with something for so long and worried about something, and then just have an answer from an angel. Be like, this is what that is. And [01:06:00] it's just amazing and it's easy to get addicted to that feeling of I can just, I'll just ask him.

I can just ask him. But then you also start handing over your power as well. Right, right. he makes you have to do the work and sit with the stuff too. But you're also directly following what he's saying 

Tava Baird (2): Right.

Jennifer Taylor (2): for people that are like, oh my gosh, now I have access to this, I know Tava, or I can get a bone reading, or I can schedule a consultation, or those kinds of things. I feel like there's an initial, they're probably like steps or like phases that people tend to go through where the first is so excited and almost addicted to the idea of being able to get this information.

And then it becomes really easy to get out of balance and think, alright, all my information needs to come through this way. I feel like the more you get into that, the more semi kind of backs off and goes, all right, now you're gonna have to really start doing the work because you're relying on me to [01:07:00] just tell you as opposed to you experiencing things.

Tava Baird (2): Right. one of the things that he talks about is he says, we are all divine souls and we chose to come here. We chose. I would like to go there and be in a body and forget my connection to the all for a time to make that sacrifice so that I can walk through a unique human life and discover divine pattern if he gives us the answers and we then we're not walking our own path and we are negating the very thing that we goes to do.

And we'll be ticked off with ourself when our life is over. When we go back to the remembering all and go, oh man, I just kind of rode coattails. He's trying to nudge us and he's trying to keep us in a place of hope in difficult times so that we do continue to see. I cannot [01:08:00] tell you the number of times that he says to me, not now.

Oh, Shellah, that will come, that will be later. You must be patient. But, or that does not come from me. And that I'm like, who the heck does it come from in time? Um, Shala, right? He wants very much to go, alright kid, I'm gonna give you a little bit of a nudge to get you moving. Now it's you to walk forward because you are a divine entity.

Becomes more knowledgeable and more powerful and more connected and more divine and can help more people the further you walk. It's just whenever we start to stagnate or we turn in the wrong direction, or we start to get down that he pops in and goes, no, no, no. Chin up. You have many behind. You have some soup.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Keep 

walking. 

Tava Baird (2): that encouragement, those nudges to keep [01:09:00] going forward. There really is a big balance. And Jen, you taught me a phrase that has changed the way that I write and changed my worldview, which is head, heart, and belly.

You know, the idea that your head, heart, and belly need to be in balance and so much of our world is occupied with our head trying to keep up with facts and figures and who goes where when. And then our heart emotions are of course something we listen to. we try very hard to walk and be heart centered, but a lot of times the belly gets like you said, it gets ragged on.

We spend a lot of our lives worrying about the size of our bellies and not much else in terms of the fact that our bellies carry our instinct. Our bellies are our connection to the wild. They are that sixth sense and that intuition. They are our drive. They are where [01:10:00] passion sits, right? And if we are living all in our heads or all in our hearts or just in those two, we're leaving out the third source power and balance that must be balanced in order for the other two to function.

You know that if you get a stomach ache or you have digestive issues, it doesn't matter how your heart or head are feeling that day you are down for account. So we need to take care of our bellies and stop just making it. Does it look good in a bikini as you know, the main source? One of the things I know that you and I, I've recently become more passionate about it, and I know you've always been passionate about it, is dance.

And so much, so many kinds of dance come from the belly. I meant to tell you, but I haven't gotten a chance to. So, Samuel Mayel talks a lot. I actually now have 18 hours of belly dance music [01:11:00] that I listen to constantly when I'm writing. he talks about the belly as a source of strength, and I know you and I wanna get together and do some dance.

I also ran into somebody the other day who, has experience belly dancing. Hasn't done it in a while, but is willing to start passing on resources and stuff to us. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Cool. 

Tava Baird (2): I'm like, yeah, we can use some of that. Like she was talking about how the best way to learn to move the belly and to do, 

Is to lay in your bathtub. And put water on your belly and move it. 'cause you can actually see the flow better. And I was like, what a cool idea.it's really funny. I recommend belly dance as a way of getting in touch with the wild aspect of yourself all the time.

I recommended it in a bone reading last [01:12:00] night. Lilith communicates through dance and song and letting yourself get into a place where you can feel that wildness and that freedom and be part of the music. It's a very balancing and empowering thing and if you've ever taken a belly dance class, it is one of the few classes you can walk into where it doesn't matter.

You don't have to be rail thin and have really strong toes to pull it off. They celebrate bodies of all sizes and ample hips and an ample belly. it's fertility, it's a goddess body, and I just love that about it. It's inclusive and, there's lith coming through in that as well.

So, on down the line, Samuel is saying he would love for there to be li lithian belly dance [01:13:00] pluses. And I don't know how the heck I'm gonna do that with one bad knee, butI'm starting to see, I have you. And there's a couple more resources that are now making themselves apparent that I couldn't find before.

Because he gave the nudge. Can you imagine just getting a group of people together to celebrate the power of the belly and maybe doing an ode to cement dance together and working into it.

The Li Lithian gesture that Sam Miles's been teaching us. What an incredibly powerful experience that would be. So, by the way, we're, let's go ahead and mine resources from our listeners. If you have experience in belly dance, could you please reach out to me because I have an angel on my back. Sort of like having a monkey on your back.

I have an angel on my back that is telling me I need to, uh, learn it so that I can get to a place where I can help [01:14:00]create safe spaces for people to come together and do this. And, I can't really do that until I have a more extensive background. So if you've got resources on this, and Jen, you probably already do it.

Jennifer Taylor (2): I majored in dance in college and belly dance is is a type of dance that I've never done and that it's not been a part of my, like, repertoire of things. Although I had a belly dancing through pregnancy video that, 

Tava Baird (2): oh, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): that sounds awesome. I think I did like a tiny bit of when I was, I was pregnant.

But, um, yeah, that's really all 

Tava Baird (2): I actually, you don't, you haven't seen the pages yet, but in the book of high places. there are two big, major belly dance scenes that take place in the lost there's the scene that's the sort of the rehearsal for it. And then there's a huge scene that's done,in the Lost City temple to celebrate the [01:15:00] anniversary of the temple's creation.

there's a whole dance and it's called the Four Fires Dance. And it's all about the fire in the belly. And I'm really excited for you to read it now, because that's becoming, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): oh 

Tava Baird (2): yeah, I can't wait. there were scenes back in Wildwood with Ika teaching Soha to belly dance.

But you actually get to see Lilith and all of her students, dance together in the book. And Lilith is talking all about what it's like to dance for your consort.

Let's celebrate when we do have a body. And that brings us back to this idea that Samuel has talked to us about the fact that, when he's here with me, he doesn't have a material body, but his relationship with Lilith isn't the same as the way our relationships with our lovers and things are because he's an angel.

He's composed of different energies and [01:16:00] from a different culture with different traditions and all of these things. But I, and he's actually lamented how when Lilith was human, he couldn't help her because he just didn't have physical hands. He could only provide like company and emotional support. He wasn't able to build her house.

And so we often think about these other entities, you know, Sam ael, Michael. And how powerful they are that there is a power in being in this incarnated form. There are things that we can do that they cannot do while they have relationships and loves and unions and joining in ways that we can't fathom, they also don't know what it's like to experience a human holding another human stand right now.

And so in winter when it is [01:17:00] cold and you have excuses to cuddle up to someone you love to hold the hand of a friend to feed someone a warm bowl of soup. Let's enjoy in these months being fully incarnated and fully human and not just pass it over in our eagerness to get to spring. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Well said. Well, I think it is time for a closing song.

Tava Baird (2): I do.

I'm so excited. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): So 

Tava Baird (2): I'm that first song, just, I was writing as fast as I could, but I'll be so excited to go back and listen in editing because I'll get to listen to the song when I'm not writing at the same time. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I have to say I really liked it. Like some of the things that come through, I'm like, okay, well I know it had energetic stuff, but I wouldn't wanna listen to it again.

And I was like, this, um, melody it just felt good. 

Tava Baird (2): Right? It's [01:18:00] good. It, I loved the, I just loved it. Very uplifting. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): we'll just see.which one of them wants to bring through our ending song.[01:19:00] [01:20:00]

Tava Baird (2): That was very lovely. Thank you so much. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Absolutely. It's like we got a kind of a reprise of the other, but a little bit more toned down and, a balanced more sort of steady thing to send us out into the world with. 

Tava Baird (2): It felt like sunset in the desert. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I like 

Tava Baird (2): that. I don't know what it was about it, but it felt [01:21:00] like the end of a day watching the sun go down over the sand.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I can totally see that. 

Tava Baird (2): Sam has a few closing words for us. Sometimes in the sacred dark, we find a teacher. Sometimes it is a goddess, sometimes it is an angel. Sometimes it is an ancestor, but often overlooked is a most important instructor yourself. You can learn from your own history if time is taken to contemplate it.

A human life is not one state of being many infant to child, child to adult, adult to elder into families and out again, but one thing stays constant. The worth of your soul, look to your own [01:22:00] soul as a worthy teacher. Reach out and stand on the edges of your smaller incarnations in this life and in others.

Learn from yourself and become

Jennifer Taylor (2): lovely. Thank you for bringing that through. As always, 

Tava Baird (2): thank you for bringing through what you brought through. I feel really good. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I do too. Ready to go? Make some soup and mindfulness. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah, make some soup. And remember that we are our own worthy teachers as well. That we are also divine guides for our own soul, and that we can find insights by standing on those edges.

Thanks so much for tuning in, guys. We [01:23:00] will talk to you soon. See you next week. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yep. So much love to you all.

All right.