Among Ghosts and Angels: Standing Your Ground (Part 1)

In this week's episode (a part 1 of 2), Jennifer Taylor and Tava Baird take a Mystical Musings Field Trip for Jenn's birthday to explore spirit communication dolls and Jenn's long-awaited introduction to the residents at the haunted Blue Ball Inn 1747. Tava explains her process of welcoming spirits, using music to feed visiting souls, and the physical and energetic restoration of dolls. Channeled song from Michael and a message from Samael introduce redefining holiness as active protection, unity, and raising one’s voice. The team discuss reframing helplessness by asking “What do I have?” and tell an archaeology story about being “six inches away” from a key discovery to encourage persistence. Come explore the world of the Unseen with us as we reach out to those on the other side!

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Tava Baird:   tavabaird.com or https://darkflowerbooks.etsy.com.

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Transcript

Tava Baird (2): [00:00:00] Good morning, Jennifer Taylor. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Good morning, Tava Baird. I am so excited to be able to talk again today and share some of our experiences of late. Uh, 

Tava Baird (2): Jen has had a wild ride recently. we should just call it, a mystical musings field trip. We went on a mystical musings field trip and we will share it with you today.

Um, yeah, there's a lot of interesting things coming through and we're so glad everybody should tune in for this episode. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Absolutely. 

Tava Baird (2): Now, full disclosure, we've already been talking for an hour 

Jennifer Taylor (2): or like just a minute right before we get started, and then an hour later, 

Tava Baird (2): an hour later, we're still on 'cause it's us.

Um, but one thing we have not had yet is [00:01:00] song. And I'm kind of feeling like with all that we're gonna talk about today, then would you mind make setting the stage for us and maybe clearing out some of the old conversation to make way for the new? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Sure. Absolutely. And, while I'm thinking about it, before we get started, I just want to let everybody know if you want to see Taba and I and my husband live in person and be a part of Power of Story that you've heard us talking about since way before this time last year, we will be together live at the mausoleum at Greenhill Cemetery on Saturday, April 11th.

And there is still time to buy tickets. You can buy tickets online, uh, at Tava. it's lining up to be something really amazing. So Keith and I will be live channeling, sound and Tava will be live channeling Sam Mayel at the exact same time on the other side of the room. And you will get to be [00:02:00] bathed in all of this healing supportive energy as Sam Mayel leads you on a journey, 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. So, Greenhill Cemetery is in Martinsburg, West Virginia. It is a Victorian cemetery, 17 acres, beautiful landscape and graves.

And at the top of the hill is this gorgeous, um, Victorian mausoleum with stained glass windows and a fireplace. And you get to bring your yoga mat and lay down in the middle and just be bathed in energy. if you want to join us, uh, please go to tava baird.com.

Look on the calendar under April 11th, you will see the power of Story and you can click on that and get tickets. And not too long after, just a few weeks after that, we'll be doing it again, the fertile Ground gathering. on Friday night in the main feast hall,

So if you're going to Fertile [00:03:00] Ground, you can come out on Friday night and, get power of Story that way as well. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. So we would love to get to see you all out there and get to share this amazing experience with you. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah, it's good stuff. I'm so excited. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Whew. Okay, so I am going to invite in Michael to Archangel Michael to sing through me and with me, and help set us a really good, strong, clear, energetic place for our discussion today.

Jennifer Taylor (2): [00:04:00] [00:05:00] [00:06:00] [00:07:00] 

Tava Baird (2): That was gorgeous. 

Thank you. 

That was absolutely gorgeous. And um, boy did it bring through something interesting. And I know we have in our minds already what we wanna talk about, but I, this was unexpected. So, um, here is what came through with your song. when Sam Iel had me write, she moves through her days as a holy teacher.

[00:08:00] Picture it in your mind to many. The idea of holy means silent, steady, ever calm. I am here to tell you that among the day and among the angels, it is none of those things. Picture Michael Guardian from on high without his sword. Do you think he walks through his days wordless, keeping himself coveredlike a pious nun?

No. Angels are messengers. We speak, we raise our voices. We gather both to praise and protect. We come to the front and stand strong. To be holy means to reach out, to be present. To stand your ground between aggressors and those who cannot [00:09:00] protect themselves. We are action. We are a force of love. We make ourselves expansive.

We do not lessen our presences. What can I do? You say, when the world has leaned towards ignorance and chaos, in times of want and strife, find those around you in need and do what the angels do. Unite yourself with others to sing and draw your own sword to protect.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Wow. 

Tava Baird (2): I thought that was really interesting because we often do have this idea that if we can walk through our days perfectly serene and perfectly calm and perfectly organized, that that's [00:10:00] what holy looks like and he's telling us. But that's not it. That we are in our holiest state when we put selves between aggressors and people who are in need, people who cannot defend themselves, and we raise our voices to support them.

We say, if you want to get to them, you need to come through us first. And I also just love that imagery of United in Song. Um, and I think Samuel thinks there are some people out there who might just need that. I know I need that message sometimes where I feel like when the whole world is this way, what is the point?

What is it that I can do? And he's telling us to be active right where we are. There is no shortage of people who need help. [00:11:00] And that thinking out for them and uniting ourselves with others who have strength to make that protective wall and say we're not going to let them go down alone is the work of angels.

Jennifer Taylor (2): that is really beautiful. I was thinking about the connection between what he was saying and what I was bringing through, in song. And there's really kind of a lot of that. given what I was thinking that we were gonna be talking about, I was like, okay, I'm gonna ask.

Michael to step into me the way that he did in the in and I was flapping my wings and creating this whole big, this whole protected space of asking him to help all those who [00:12:00] were listening as well, to claim their spaces to, to be completely sovereign and to help to clear out and keep, away all those that would not be respecting their sovereignty infringing upon things and to you help this to be like their energetic wings around them helping to clear out the space and hold the space.

 it was really almost like Michael and I, and I believe Sam all at the end I felt as well. doing that energetically with individuals and helping to show us what it feels like to do that in somewhat of the angelic kind of way 

It was interesting at near the end, I thought it was gonna be all Michael because basically I'm only letting in Michael, But then I kept feeling, I realized my left hand was down in the semi spot andI was feeling the need to bring the notes down and I was like, oh, all right.[00:13:00] 

And I was thought, that whole event had a lot of Sam in it, in it too. Yeah. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. Your voice sounded a lot like Angel song to me today. There was that undercurrent of flow and that movement in it. I think this is a timely message and it's a little bit of an adjustment in our brains especially when we're tired, especially when we're frustrated, especially when it feels like we aren't gaining any ground, we tend to go into a place of, what don't I have, what don't I have?

And, there's a character in, my book series,who is, an organizer and she trains people to fight and, leads rebellions against the British government and all sorts of things. And her name is Vika McLeod. And one of the things that she does is whenever she finds herself in a difficult situation, she has a series of steps that she goes through.

And the first step is always, what do I have? [00:14:00] What do I have? let me take inventory of, what knowledge that I have, the medical supplies that I have, the weaponry that I have, what do I have and how can I use it in such a way that I can start gaining ground to get out of this situation?

So he always starts from this place of, even if it isn't a lot of abundance, what do I already have as, and, and that is something that we all can do is reframe, okay, I'm feeling helpless, I'm feeling like I can't change anything on a large scale, but what can I do? What resources do I have? What do I have access to that I might be able to MacGyver into something different?

 what can I do to get out of this situation? there's a scene in one of the books where she's stuck on the top floor of a burning building and needs to get somebody out [00:15:00] and there's nothing in the room, but alcohol. And, an old, elevator and she realizes that she can create a huge distraction by throwing a bunch of alcohol barrels in an elevator and lighting it on fire and sending it down several floors.

And that, in doing that, she's going to completely change the environment that she's in, where she has a better chance of success, of escape. And so we can change our environments while we can't, stop something that seems much bigger than us. All of these starts and stop in our lives, come from one person getting the ball rolling, and you may be the person to get the ball rolling.

That changes the tide in your area. And if enough people do that, then the whole tide changes. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, absolutely. And I'd like the combination that he was showing too, of there's, action like the direct action of choosing to speak up and [00:16:00] stepping between, the aggressor and the, person that they would be, harming and, 

 then he had also brought in, singing together there's value in both of those things. one helps to lift you up. And bring you together and help to create a sense of, comradery and things being okay.

 one helps to balance you out. and sends out does all kinds of good just in itself.a group of people singing together, raises a level of vibration that then reverberates out through the planet and has a whole lot of, benefit just in itself. Not only with the people that are together, but the ripple effect of that energetically is huge.

Yes. And the taking that, and then also doing the the actionable steps of going out and speaking up and, doing whatever you can physically [00:17:00] do to make a difference. 

Tava Baird (2): Right. We underestimate, and we're always talking about this with Lilith and Sam and that we always underestimate our own power and what lending our voice to a conversation might radically change.

 I guarantee you there are people in your life who are paying attention to you much more than you know, and sometimes just saying, I don't think this is right. Or I'm not going to go along with that, or I'm sorry. That's where I draw the line changes a whole lot in your environment. when you unite your voices with others, then you keep these vibrations moving where you have the strength to continue the work.

 but if we let ourselves fall into what's the point? I can't make any difference. It's never worked before. You may be just inches [00:18:00] away from the thing that does I think I may have told this story before. Back when I was in archeology school, I was digging at a site called Shadwell, which is where Thomas Jefferson was born.

And a bunch of archeologists had come there in the seventies and they'd found a root cellar. the people in the seventies thought they had found the birthplace of the third president of the United States. So they excavate this whole thing, but there was no fireplace. people can't live in Virginia in the 18th century without a fireplace.

This is not the house. And they covered everything back up. Well go forward about two decades. And in the nineties here comes another archeology team and they excavate, I think it was six inches outside of where the first team was. In the meantime, they had discovered Flans that Peter Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson's father, had designed a house for someone else in Virginia that had [00:19:00] a wooden fireplace and chimney that was held up by stilts.

And what you did was use the fireplace. I know it sounds crazy. And then invariably one day it would catch fire, you would run outside, pull the stilts away, the chimney would fall away from the house. You could stomp it out and you would build another one. And it was much easier than building a stone one if you didn't have a lot of neighbors to help you.

I think it was like six inches outside the original dig. They found the charring from the fireplace and the stilt holes that showed that Peter Jefferson had built his home the same way he built one for his neighbors. If those archeologists from two decades before had dug another six inches out, they would've known that they had found the birthplace of the third president of the United States, but they were six inches away.

Sometimes we are that [00:20:00] close and can't see. Keep digging 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Very cool that is actually, that's the first time I've heard that story. 

Tava Baird (2): Oh really? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. Fascinat. Isn't that fascinating? Fascinating. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah, who would've guessed that?

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. that is really fun. I love those kinds of stories, 

Tava Baird (2): but I think we have people who wanna hear about your birthday. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, it was, they 

Tava Baird (2): know 

Jennifer Taylor (2): break up day, 

Tava Baird (2): they don't know they wanna hear about your birthday.

But 

Jennifer Taylor (2): yeah, that was the day of the mystical musings, field trip. So yeah, it was a packed day. I'd asked Tava, is there any chance you're free on my birthday and we can, have breakfast or lunch together? And she, came and took me to breakfast and then the day before you had left DeMarco, I was like, oh, I think, after we have breakfast I have to drive out to the inn 

 and I have these, haunted dolls to pick up, or I have these dolls to pick up, but we didn't know for certain that they were haunted. And I was like, do you want some company on your [00:21:00] travels? 

Tava Baird (2): And full disclosure. So I've been going to the Inn, what, two years now?

Yeah, about two years. 'cause we started the archeology program in March two years ago. So it's been two years just for the archeology program. And all this time Jen has sent Reiki to the house, but she has never been to the blue ball in. And, then of course on the way I'm stopping to pick up, a load of donated dolls that have been in someone's barn for a very long time.

and Jen's never been real hot on the doll thing that I do either. So when she's like, yeah, I'll come with you to get dolls and then go to the Haunted Inn, I thought, what has come over this woman? But yes, so we went and had a really nice breakfast. if you are anywhere in,the Northern Virginia area, you have got to go to Ted's Bulletin.

Jennifer Taylor (2): So good. She could not stop talking about it all the way there. And we were on her way to drop off my daughter [00:22:00] who was like, you're torturing me. Stop talking about how great it's gonna be. I'm gonna be at school. it was absolutely as amazing as it was described and I didn't think, 'cause I was like, she's built this up so much that by that no breakfast could live up to this now.

 but it absolutely did. Yeah. Ted's bulletin. 

Tava Baird (2): So good. 

And I, Jen had the biscuits and gravy and I had a bite of it. And I am still having fantasies about the biscuits and gravy and it's been a week. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, so good. I am kind of a sausage gravy snob because we grew up having that. mom's family had, a diner years ago and made all that kind of stuff, but it elevated sausage gravy to another level.

It was, 

Tava Baird (2): and they make their own Pop-Tarts. Yeah. You gotta go have a Pop-Tart. So, and the one we went to is in one loudin and it's, It's fabulous. 

we're not paid by Ted's bulletin in any way.

This is not a commercial any way. We're just telling you the eggs Benedict is fantastic and they make [00:23:00] these loaded tater tots that have like pure CNA in them. Oh my God. Anyway. Oh 

Jennifer Taylor (2): my goodness. 

Tava Baird (2): God, we're gonna need to eat. Okay. But anyway, so we, we made it out of Ted's bulletin, a little bit rounder than when we went in.

 then we went to Jen's to get my Jeep. 'cause we were gonna be, doing a little bit of, off-road driving it felt like. And then we headed to, get the dolls. So at this point, should I talk a little bit about what I do with dolls? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And I think maybe I'll say something to give you a lead in for that.

so we headed off to get the dolls and I realized that we have mentioned here and there, your work with the dolls. But I don't know if we have a good explanation of what exactly it is that you're doing and why we would be picking up old dolls that had been in somebody's, barn for years.

Tava Baird (2): So, puppet Magic and Doll Magic has been a part of my practice forever. [00:24:00] Forever. Like I remember, doing things as kids. even in college I made and sold rag dolls, to people. at the time in the nineties, it was nearly impossible to find dolls that weren't white. And I used to make rag dolls with all different skin tones.

 I worked in a theater box office and I had long hours where nobody came in and I would sit and sew and, people would, ask me as they came to get tickets, what are you doing? And then they ended up placing special orders. So one of the ways I was funding, like my books through college was making dolls.

And, somebody would bring me a picture of someone and say, can you give it this skin tone? Can you give it this hair so that it looks like my niece, so that it looks like my daughter? So that it looks like my son? And I loved making them. There's always been something really magical about working with dolls and puppets.

 but I was not porcelain doll girl Uhuh. No way. They [00:25:00] creeped me out. until a couple of months back. I was in a thrift store, as I often am. And, I had had the feeling that Samuel was about to give me a new assignment for a while, but I didn't know when it was gonna come or what it was gonna be. And I went into this store andit was the thrift store is not well maintained and there was this empty shelf that was really dark and it was covered in dust.

And on the shelf was this little brunette doll in a little soil dress. And she was porcelain with a cloth body. And she had the sweetest face and someone had stuck a bright orange price tag on her cheek. I think it said a dollar. And there was something about the placement of that tag, but somebody labeled this little woman and threw her [00:26:00] on a dark shelf.

That really activated the lithian sense of justice in me that I was like, she has no value in the eyes of everyone around her. She's not even on a shelf with other items. She's got what they think she's worth. stuck to her face. She's a mess. And Samuel said, there is a lesson here. And I went up and I paid my dollar and I took her out to the car and the first thing I did was peel that sticker off her face.

And I said, we're gonna give you worth again. And that started the avalanche. dolls hold a tremendous amount of residual energy and spirits often come to visit them because they're being focused on loved, played with. they have looks [00:27:00] like a human body in most cases. And so after that first doll, whenever I would go into a place where there were dolls, Sam Mayel would direct me over to them and I could hear him asking me questions.

He'd say, is there anyone in that one? And a lot of times I would say, well, I don't know. It just feels like there's, something dusty there. And he would say, or it does not want to talk to you yet. And I found myself starting to bring home a lot of them. And then I put out on social media if anybody has dolls that they don't want anymore or that they need help with, feel free to reach out.

And, oh boy. So there are currently about 115 dolls in the room with me right now. in various states. Some are just waiting. A lot of them are just waiting for me to get to them. Some are from old [00:28:00] collections. Some are,actively engaged in energetic work. I have started refurbishing a lot of them, where I'm learning dull repair and upgrade, but I also do a tremendous amount of energetic work on them.

And, um, a lot of them, I repaint their faces. I dye their clothes, I repair their bodies, I give them a name again, and then I, either adopt them out to people who want to, do spirit communication through markets or I take them to spirit communication Lilith classes. And a lot of them have found homes and are now cherished parts of people's practices.

So they went from being nothing to being something wonderful. And I can't think of anything more in line with self-worth and Lilith than that. I do have dolls in the room that are active, that I have [00:29:00] seen move that will change things around them. I am learning to be very even keeled and not scream every time it happens.

 but I'm learning a tremendous amount about how to soothe spirits. I don't ask anyone to leave. I feed them energetically. I speak with them, I work with them. My goal is to raise them up. And a lot of times what I found is that people have a doll that may have belonged to a mother or friend or their own childhood or their child, and there's something that they need to set down and they can't bring themselves to donate the doll, but they also don't feel that they can keep the doll because they need to move on.

So what I'm doing also is providing a place for the doll to go so that people can continue their magical [00:30:00] work. and I ask them when I take it, there are some that will stay with me forever. They'll stay with me till I'm dead. And then probably some poor Li Lithian practitioner will get a little bunch of them.

Like I have one that's over a hundred, he's a hundred years old. Um, and he's amazing. but. Yeah, I'm finding that in setting these dolls down, people are often able to continue their journeys and reclaim some of their power as well. So that's why when somebody contacted me, a friend contacted me and said, I have a childhood collection of dolls out in the barn.

 they are not in great shape. Some of them, their heads have come off. they have mildew on the clothes. I haven't been able to get rid of them. They're something that my mother and aunt gave me and I played with them as a child. do you want them? And of course I went, yes. So that was where we were going with poor Jen in tow.[00:31:00] 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And I have to admit, I love the stories about the dolls and I love the work that you're doing, and I love all of that. But I never had even the slightest bit of inclination towards that work at all. I couldn't feel a connection of like, oh yes. I get it on a level of, I could imagine myself feeling the same way about it.

it definitely creeped me out. And the idea of a lot of, I was like, ah, I'm glad I'm not in the same room as that. it had definitely freaked me out. So I was like, okay, well this is gonna be interesting. We're gonna pick up a new set of dolls, and you know, maybe there'll be something in them.

Maybe there won't, this should be an interesting ride because they're gonna be in the car with us all the way out to the end and all the way back. And I'm like, all right, well, let's you know. Let's see. And, and so we go in and we see the dolls and they're in paper, grocery bags, and looking in them and they, oh my goodness.

 so covered in mildew, like [00:32:00] just like black with them and like lots of their clothes and yeah, lots of just heads by themselves and body parts sticking out. Like 

Tava Baird (2): out of the 10, five of them were headless. most of them were limbless. these were Mme. Alexander dolls.

And if you collect Mme. Alexander dolls right now, you're going right. Mme. Alexander dolls are absolutely lovely. They are made of like a hard plastic, they are vintage, but they're held together with bands. So over time with being exposed to the elements, the rubber bands broke, and that means their bodies just came apart.

So, five of them were all dismembered. there's another one who's right on the edge of being dismembered, and then there were four that were still in somewhat together shape. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And all sorts of, really amazing outfits. Only the outfits were just really, really, really filthy. So we'd, thank her and we'd take them.

And there was this [00:33:00] one in there that I could see that was on top. And it looked like her eyes were blue or had been blue and were all like, scratched and scraped. It was almost like there was chunks of, from the inside that were broken off or something.

It was, really striking and really creepy because we're looking at it going, whoa, what? that doll man, like you just couldn't stop staring at. at the time, Tava was talking about the specific technique and it sounded like that certain doll's eyes get almost like detached retinas and that you could do this whole technique with heat to get it all back together and that you would fix it.

So we were on our way out to the car but that one doll just stood out I just kept thinking about her and I think my heart just went out to her in such a strong way. And she had mentionedthe person that gave them to us had mentioned that her daughter was like, turn that one around.

 that the bags had been up in the house and was like, I don't like that. turn that one around. It's looking at me it had really been creeping her out. 

Tava Baird (2): which usually means [00:34:00] when people who aren't usually sensitive to energy start getting creeped out by one out of 10, you gotta pay attention to that one.

That usually means either somebody is visiting or has visited recently or pops in, or there's a metric ton of residual energy in the doll, but it will affect the emotions of people and the actions of people around them. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I think I know why, you don't want that one looking at you.

And so we're almost to the car and I almost said can I hold that one? I'll hold that one on the way to the end. And I was thinking, I am nuts. this is not the sort of thing that would come out of my mouth. So we put him in the back and then I, I get into the front seat and then I'm sitting there go, I was just thinking maybe I should, maybe I'll just hold that one.

And Davo was like, Hey, if, yeah, if you wanna give it some energy, that would be great. Then she was so covered in mildew that I actually took like a plastic bag that I had [00:35:00] there and laid her on that and held her on that because I didn't want everything to get covered in mildew. And yeah. And Ava started explaining, it was like, okay, this is what we do when we have a new batch of dolls.

Like step one, I think step one was playing, uh, the piece and release. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Play my piece and release music. 

Tava Baird (2): Exactly. The first thing I do is I say, uh, because I don't know if anything is attached to these vessels. I have no idea. I've just put them in my car. Like I hadn't even taken them out of the bag other than that one.

And, so the first thing I do is if there is a spirit visiting or attached to the dolls, I say, hello, my name is Tava. there's a lot of change right now. These vessels are now coming with me, especially if something's been sitting in somebody's closet for, or barn or basement for decades.

There might be conscious energy that visits that vessel. just acknowledging their presence and that I'm there to help and that [00:36:00] I'm not, taking them to the dump is something that I feel like I should do. And so I have a little speech prepared. And then the other thing is that Sam Ael has said that, spirits get hungry when they're working and they're traveling and they are much more likely to jump, scare you to get a burst of energy if they don't have a ready energy source.

And so my go-to Energy Source is Jen's music, right? and if I don't have that available Lorena McKennan or Belly dance music, belly dance music is full of bells. And,love Lorena McKennan. She has a voice. Her voice reminds me of Jen's quite a bit, you know, with that sort of soulful singing. So, I was lucky in this case I Jen in the car with me so I didn't have to pull up Band Camp and, and get Omni Var going.

I had her live. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, 

you 

Jennifer Taylor (2): actually did, you started playing 

Tava Baird (2): it? I did. I 

Jennifer Taylor (2): like instantly and I was like, this is so surreal. Like, I'm in the car listening to, 

Tava Baird (2): to yourself, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): do you play my, 

Tava Baird (2): and. I [00:37:00] do it all the time. It is my go-to because here's the thing, if I'm driving them places and there is something attached to the doll that is strong enough to move something, I don't want to get tapped on the shoulder by a ghostly hand or have something go bang in the backseat while I'm trying to drive.

So for me, it's like an imperative. I get in the car, the music is on, so, and you know what, if nobody's attached, great, then I just am listening to awesome music. If somebody is attached, if there is an energy that's unbalanced or hungry spirits, I don't want them coming to get it from my body. I want them to pick it up from the environment.

And so let's get them a snack, let's get them a musical Snickers so that nobody gets hangry and get some omni var going in the car. And when, like for example, here in my studio, I play music nearly 24 hours a day. 

there's constantly [00:38:00] music being played. Here to feed anybody who's hungry and just keep the whole gang a little more chilled out. Do I still get jump scares and things falling and weird sounds and movements?

Yeah, but I, it's a lot less thanit would be, I believe. And, Samuel told me to do it, so I'm doing it. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yep. that's pretty much my rule. He says, do it. I'm like, alright. How long? He is sort of like the jump and how high they, I'm like, yep, absolutely. He's got the 

Tava Baird (2): answer here. You are the thing that can keep a hundred and something dolls from walking around my house.

Yes. let's go that way. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. So you had, given the introduction and was explaining everything and Yeah. You were like playing the music as I was climbing in the back tobring the doll up front and, you explained everything. And I started talking to that doll and was like, Richie's going to get your eyes all fixed and, don't worry, you know [00:39:00] you're gonna be cared for and all these things.

And then I was singing like very soon, it was like I instantly, one hand was giving her reiki from below her feet and the other was like wrapped around her so I was just giving her reiki and energy and singing and I just couldn't not sing. And the piece and release was playing.

But it was really interesting because the song that came through, it was almost like it overlaid perfectly on top of it. so we're driving along and I'm like, wow, this is a big difference between being super creeped out by haunted dolls. Now I'm holding one in my lap giving it reiki and singing to it.

Tava Baird (2): Yep, yep. And, and I was sitting here going, wow. And I'm driving her to the end. This is quite a change. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): And I think, I know you said Sam Mile was singing along with me, the song, and so I, recorded the song just real briefly on my voice memo so that I could record it again later for [00:40:00] her and use that for any dolls that came through because it seemed like it was just very specific to that, 

Tava Baird (2): yeah.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Kind of task. 

Tava Baird (2): it was really good. And I think it was shortly, was it after that or was it the week before I had been a recording of yours or if it was a day or two after this incident. I just remember leaving you a Marco that said, I can hear a , doll singing back.

I think that might have been before that incident. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, yes, yes, it was before that. I forgot about that. 

Tava Baird (2): There I had some dolls that had been in my car. And, sometimes if I get a big batch, like somebody gives me six of them, I don't wanna just ring them in with the other hundred right off the bat, especially if the person has said this has been locked in a drawer or on a shelf.

I think nature is a great equalizer and we know that [00:41:00] nature is how we connect to the divine. So oftentimes what I will do is bring the dolls home, lay them out so that they're laying comfortably in the back of my car and I'll let them spend the night outside where they can hear nature. If there's a spirit attached that can look out through the eyes, they can see the treetops, they can hear what's going on, then it's they're in my car in a jeep.

So I call it nature therapy, but it's a way to expose them to nature without endangering the vessel itself from it getting rained on or anything else. And, I had been driving around with a batch of dolls in my car and I'd been listening to Jen's music and that I could hear somebody in the backseat singing back.

Jennifer Taylor (2): that's really fascinating. I totally forgotten about that. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): yeah, so we're just going along and, singing and Sam Miles [00:42:00] singing with me and, giving a reiki and I think you had asked, if you get a name or, get anything. And it was almost instantaneous that Anna, had come through and, Blue dress.

 And I can't remember if it was then or later. Yeah. It was like, I feel like she wants a blue dress. And, Anna, and then you were started, you were telling other stories about other dolls bringing them places or bringing them to the end or, and story about a doll at the end.

And as it was really interesting, 'cause my left hand was wrapped around her. My left hand was underneath her. And I could feel this major shift in the energy as you talked about different dolls and so I think it was almost like this response to the idea of all the different energy that was like, oh my gosh, this might happen to me, or this might be something that I do.

And some of it, it felt like this really warm, like swelling. like [00:43:00] expanding kind of ball of energy and some of it made my hand tingle. It felt like like pins and needles in my hand. And it was really interesting. I was like, there's a lot of response, to what you're saying. there's a direct response in her and what I was, the energy there that I was feeling.

So I'm like, okay, My first, haunted doll experience, but I just, I loved her and I think early on I was talking about how surprised I was and I was like in tears as I started to talk about it because it really hit me what it is that you feel and experience with them.

And it was the difference between hearing about a doll, hearing about a, thing and being able to think of it as a doll and like what they look like and, that seems really creepy and I don't really have anything to do with that. And, intellectually still really understanding and loving what you were doing to, I was like, you know, it's different when you're in person and I could [00:44:00] feel her, like whoever it is that's attached to, or visiting that doll.

I could instantly feel that. And my heart just went out to her and just, I felt like my heart chakra just got really warm and just kept expanding. And all I wanted to do was help. All I wanted to do was help her and comfort her and make things better. And I, yeah, I just started even talking about it and, was getting all choked up and I was like, this is, oh my gosh, this is what you feel.

Because it's really not the doll. It's your connecting with another soul. There's another soul that you're Yep. And all a sudden it's visiting. You can feel it just like you could if it was another person in a body standing in front of you that you just, your heart just goes out to and you want to help.

And I was like, oh, wow. This is a whole different ball game. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. There's sort of the level one, which is [00:45:00] I am reclaiming something that others have cast aside and lifting it up and giving it power. And so that's a very li lithian magical practice. Then there's two, I am sensing energies of another entity.

Either they're residual where they visited and or it might be a child that played with the doll that left their energy all over it. So it might be an unconscious energy, but a lot of times it's a conscious energy. Maybe it was an ancestor that used to come visit a child who held that doll and they're still coming back and, oh, that vessel's active, someone's touching it, and they come back in and they are excited to talk.

Like the same way that lots of spirits are excited to talk. But my experience has been that they can also feel like I don't really get that hot and cold, don't seem to bother them too much unless the vessel is at risk. if you put a plastic doll in a hot car where that [00:46:00] doll might melt, they're, they're very upset about something like that.

and I have had some dolls that psychics have said, they feel cold a lot, but I don't usually get the hot, which is interesting, although the dolls often heat up in my hands. I think the cold is almost more a description of an emotional state, like I'm alone, nobody's with me, I'm cold. So there are some dolls that I keep, I have a big stack of doll blankets and I've started making doll quilts where I bundle them up in something.

but then there, are ones like Anna, I then started documenting her restoration process. So she had vinegar and water baths and time out in the sun. I tried to oxyclean her clothes, but even when I killed off the mold, they're destroyed. Like those stains are never coming out.

And like they have holes all through it. So I let the dress go. and Jen is actually gonna make Anna a [00:47:00] cute dress. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. I was 

Tava Baird (2): like, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): do you think I could make her a dress? 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. I mean, and what we're seeing here is here's all the signs that there's something in this doll, right?

Like we're seeing a huge change when you get into her sphere in terms of how you feel about her. Right. And you and I both were like that one. Now that doesn't mean there aren't some in the others, but she was in the worst shape and she's definitely the strongest, I was on the phone with Jen the other day and Jen was talking about making a dress for the doll and the doll.

Oh yeah. Who had been perfectly stable and not moving for hours. The doll suddenly came forward towards me in a big way and I'm like, okay, okay. Jen was in the middle of a sentence and I was trying not to go. Ah. But we have movements.I hold her and talk to her a lot 'cause I believe even though hot and cold aren't as big a deal to them, they definitely can feel touch.

Like [00:48:00] I see big action in a lot of dolls when someone holds them, whether it's a settling of their energy or sometimes it's a spike in it. you'll see people react. I have one doll that I took down to a Lilith class and I took him into the room and he's really strong, like he's in insult. And one person jumped up and ran across the room.

Another person burst into tears and a third just started like babbling. And I was like, okay, none of the three of you normally behave this way. I've just spent hours with you. Look at this huge energetic reaction happening in the humans. That's how I know there's something going on in the doll. Right. Um.

So Anna has now had multiple baths, both in vinegar and water solutions, and with Dr. Bronner's Rose scented. Uh, she's had a little bubble bath. I tried to clean her clothes, but we're gonna have to put together new [00:49:00] ones. She's a bunch of discoloration on her arms, and so she's currently in a sun bath with Oxy 10, under Saran wrap around her arms to help with the discoloration.

I've worked with isopropyl alcohol in her eyes. It appears her eyes are actually brown, and they're beautiful. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, they're so pretty. I could not believe her eyes were brown underneath. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): like that. I was completely shocked. 

At one point I was looking at the video and you were showing me how she was cleaned up and stuff, and I thought, oh my goodness. She looks so much like me when I was young. Like so much. I was like, this is interesting. 

Tava Baird (2): You wouldn't have known it when you first looked at her. 'cause she was wearing this big at like bow, peep bonnet that was all rotting.

And you know, a lot of what was on her eyes, I believe was just like white mold that needed to come off. And I sat there and did layers and layers of cleaning with Q-tips and her eyes are so bright now. I cuddle [00:50:00] her in with other dolls, and her dress is on the way.

So, um, yeah, it was quite an experience and honest. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): And as you were holding her too, you were like, oh, and we've got facial expressions. Oh, and yeah, and her face, like they were looking Oh yeah. Like, oh yeah. We are changing her classification to 

Tava Baird (2): pun. Yeah, she is definitely. So here, I'll, she's not wearing anything right now and she has saran wrap on her arms because she's having her sun bath.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh. 

Tava Baird (2): But 

Jennifer Taylor (2): she is, 

Tava Baird (2): um, she is, if we ever get this up on YouTube, she is in much better shape than she was. Yes. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh my goodness. 

Tava Baird (2): But yeah, there are brown, big brown eyes here. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. So I, uh, I'm excited I went out and I got, the material for the dress from an actual, a dress from a thrift store that I'm gonna turn into her dress.

So I can't wait for that. Yeah. So we're having all that experience on our way to the end. Really. [00:51:00] And I had not gone, yeah. Tavo was still like, so shocked. Everybody was so shocked that I was gonna be going there and was like, yeah, we'll see, because I have the energy. I tend to be so sensitive to energy that, and especially when it came to the end, like Ava would be talking about it and I would start feeling the presence of the beings there.

Or if she sent like a picture of it or like, oh, look, here, I'm at the end. And I would see it. I would instantly be overwhelmed by the feeling of the spirits and the energies and it would take me a while to get right again. And so I'd been really wanting to go out and be a part of things there, and I wanted to go to the classes, but I, but every time I would be like, you know, I'm just gonna do that.

There would be some major sign from the universe of don't even think about it. Or I would have major nightmares of being in the, and being taken over. By the, spirits there. And so I was like, okay, [00:52:00] we will heed those as not nows. but there was just something about the day before my birthday and hearing you that I was like, it's time.

Like it's time. I need to go there. So yeah, she was still like, if you wanna just stay here in the car, if you decide you wanna stay in the car, that's fine. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. So, and 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I still, I was like, I didn't know what was gonna happen. 

Tava Baird (2): I had seen your reaction to photos before and I thought, what's gonna happen when I pull up? And she's, three feet from the wall. I had been out at the inn on Sunday and the underworld event was coming up where we were doing umci. And, um, a friend of the inn had donated tons and tons and tons of eggs for the umci lesson, uh, which is egg divination.

The type we were doing was Greek. And I had walked out of the inn and forgotten they were in the refrigerator. I had to go back out to pick these up and I was on a time schedule because the underworld event was coming up and I still needed to die a lot of them. So, I thought, here's what's gonna happen.

We're gonna get there. Yes, she has what [00:53:00] appears to be a very haunted doll in her lap, but we're gonna get there. I'm gonna pull in and she's gonna go, Nope. And I'm gonna go, that's fine. Let me just run in and get the eggs. And I genuinely thought that's what would happen. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And so, I was not sure what was gonna happen because as we were on our way, I kept thinking, okay, what's the best way for me to be in here?

 I wanted to have the experience of seeing what will I pick up on and what, and so I didn't wanna go in, so armored up that I was just not feeling anything. And at the same time, I didn't wanna get overwhelmed or sick or, anybody to step into me or any of that kind of stuff.

So I kept trying to figure out how do I set up the boundaries the right way? And I thought, I know I'm likely to wanna sing, but I wasn't sure if that was gonna be right because Sam Lyle had said, actually in a podcast once, that I flow so much stronger when I'm singing and that it sends out like a beacon where everybody can see me, like all the unbodied and [00:54:00] disembodied can see me 

And everybody's like, oh, and comes to me. And I was thinking,should I be flowing like that in the end where there's a whole lot of things that are gonna be really interested? I was really super in my head and trying to figure out how do I manage this? How do I deal with it?

And then all of a sudden it dawned on me I need to walk in and introduce myself. In a different way. I need to come in and give the introduction That is who I am on a soul level. And I just gave an overview, kind of a dry run of it, of, this is what I'm thinking, maybe I would say.

And by the time I went through it, I felt I was standing in my power. I felt so empowered and like, this is who I am. And all fear left and I was like, dude, I got this. I'm ready to go. 

Tava Baird (2): Yeah. And it was phenomenal because, one of the things that the spirits have asked for in the past is they will say, [00:55:00] why are all these people in our home?

 people will come in and they don't introduce themselves and then they walk in what some of the spirits consider, private family areas of the house and they are get offended, right? Like, why are they just coming in here without even acknowledging us? So, I was like, when we get there, there needs to be an introduction, but boy did she do an introduction.

And it just really set a good balance. And of course I'm trying to. Stay open. And I've had things step into me before there, so I'm trying to keep my boundaries. 'cause I know if she starts singing, it's gonna be like, dropping Paul McCartney in the middle of a festival grounds. everybody is going to realize, here is what this person has done and can do and I'm going to come and want to, be near them.

So it was very much like taking a rock star and going, and I knew the minute she started singing, [00:56:00] anybody who was hungry in the house was gonna come around for energy and that they were just going to come listen. and then that was gonna pull in more who wanted to know what was going on.

And there's a gate in the house, which means that beings wandering through on the other side, who might be coming in and out of the gate are gonna be attracted to definitely come in or at least stand there and listen. So, yeah, it was, when you see those flash mobs where they have someone from Hamilton, go out into a regular crowded street and perform and everybody stops and turns on their phones, it was gonna be like that from a spiritual level.

Jennifer Taylor (2): what was so funny was Stan was so interesting, he just kept saying things like. I am so interested in kind of a, let's see what happens. I'm so interested to see what's gonna happen when the singer goes in the house. And I was thinking, is this a good thing that he's so interested 

Tava Baird (2): as an angel of death, he's in that house a lot. He's in that house [00:57:00] whenever I'm there as well. So I'm sure he was just like, oh, whatever it is, we'll deal with it, but let's see what happens. You know? Let's see what happens when we drop a firework into a quiet space.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And I think he was so, he was so interested to see what my response to the house was gonna be and how, like, what was gonna go down. And so I'm like, okay. He 

Tava Baird (2): was trying really hard to be supportive to me. He kept saying, look how brave, oh, Michala, look how brave she is.

And I'm sitting here going, yeah, there's about 80 entities that all wanna talk to her, trying to climb in my spine right now to use me to do it. Uh, could we talk about her bravery perhaps in a few moments when I'm not trying to fend them off? Um, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): yeah. So let's see. So we've, we are jumping ahead a little bit. 

So we are going to continue this conversation next week and you'll just get to hear much more of the experiences at the Inn I hope that you enjoyed it. And, um, [00:58:00] here is a little song to just sort of send you back out into your week and tide you over. Until next time.

(channeled singing accompanied by [00:59:00] Infinity Rain [01:00:00] [01:01:00] Disk)