The Gate, The Path and The Sword - Ophan's Arrival

What was supposed to be a practical discussion about energy systems and the chakras takes an unexpected turn when an entirely new presence enters the conversation. What follows is one of the most surprising, spontaneous, and energetically intense episodes of Mystical Musings to date. 

After Jennifer's opening transmission, Tava receives a striking message from Samael in which he refers to a being unfamiliar to either host whom he calls Ophan.  This prompts an illuminating real-time investigation onto Ophan.  From there, the conversation expands into a profound exploration of divine architecture, energetic pathways, and the mechanisms through which growth, evolution, and possibility emerge. After Samael suggest that The Singer "sing her," a powerful song carrying Ophan's energy is brought through by Jenn - the effects of which (coupled with the messages received) were so intense Tava shares in earnest that she may be having a nervous breakdown. The result becomes an impromptu demonstration of grounding techniques, sensory awareness, and practical tools for returning to the body when spiritual experiences become overwhelming. 

As Jennifer remarks during the recording:

"You have to go lower to go higher."

A fitting theme for an episode that begins in mystery, travels through angelic cosmology, unexpectedly demonstrates energetic embodiment, and leaves everyone wondering what will happen next.

The episode concludes with Jennifer's recording of Soul Soothing, offering listeners a gentle opportunity to ground, integrate, and return to balance after one of the most unexpected journeys in Mystical Musings history.

Resources:

Soul Soothing on Bandcamp

https://amnivara.bandcamp.com/track/soul-soothing

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Jennifer Taylor:  Amnivara (previously Willow Ridge Reiki and Healing Arts)           https://www.Amnivara.com/

Transcript

The Gate, The Path, and The Sword - Ophan Appears

Jennifer Taylor: [00:00:00] Good morning, Tava Baird. Good 

Tava Baird: morning, Jennifer Taylor. How are you? 

Jennifer Taylor: I am well. How about yourself? 

Tava Baird: I am flying high. We had, on Sunday, a belly dance class that both you and I attended out in, Berkeley Springs with a bunch of lovely people. so that was a wonderful outing, and, that starts to get us information for our Lilithian dance on down the line.

So I'm super excited about that and all sorts of lovely things. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Well, I am really excited to see what comes through and what we talk about. I know, once again, we have sort of ideas, and yet I'm not gonna bother to say them out loud. And, we'll get an idea of what it is that we're most [00:01:00] aligned with, talking about today.

Tava Baird: Yes. I feel like there was so much information that came in in the last four or five podcasts that I'm sure there's things we've skipped that, like, we meant to go back to, but I don't even know what they are. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. As I was going through and editing, I would hear, I would read the first thing, and then I would know kind of what we had talked about afterwards and go, "Oh my gosh, there's so much still in," Samael's opening words in each one that, 

it could just go on forever. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. and we always end up with curve balls too, where you start to sing, and the things we planned and the things we meant to follow up on end up sort of falling by the wayside. eventually, we do circle back around to them in some way in the future, I guess.

So I guess we just go with the flow, right? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, absolutely. It's always amazing the way things come [00:02:00] back around, and the timing ends up being just right for that- Yes ... little piece of information to come in, so- Yes ... I have complete trust that it will be exactly as it's meant to. 

Tava Baird: I'm so excited for some song this morning.

I think it'll be just what the doctor ordered 

Jennifer Taylor: Okay. So- So I will get, uh, prepared and connected, and we'll see what Michael wants to bring through. 

Tava Baird (2): Wonderful. Thank you 

[00:03:00] [00:04:00] [00:05:00] [00:06:00]

Tava Baird (2): Oh my God.

Okay. Um, what, what is it that they say in The Princess Bride? Let me explain. No, let me sum up. Um, okay Recently. So I'm teaching a class this weekend called Chaos Angel.[00:07:00]

It is the first Lilith level three class. It is more advanced work. It goes deeper into some of the more recent things that have been coming through. One of the things that Samael has had me working on to make prints of and distribute throughout the Chaos Angel class to the students there is something that he calls a vessel.

and this was something he spoke to me about. Jenn, I, I mentioned it to you, I know, I guess a couple of weeks ago. time is not working the way it should. And essentially, it's, a written invocation, and he said that it could be-- He said that in the lost city, people put it near where they sleep or when they are, intending to move to other realms or do deep work, and that it is an [00:08:00] invocation that, that is for your guides to look on you and sort of turn their protective eye in your direction.

Now the beginning of this, and I have the whole thing in notes scattered around in the detritus of my desk right now, but the beginning of it, he started off by repeating aloud to me, which says, and this is what the beginning of it says, "Into this vessel, I invite the eight teachers, Samael, Lilith, the Magdalene, Agrat, myself, Eshet, Helael, Nyama, and I invoke the holy name of the angel of the veil."

And then there's more. But at this point, and so I was like, "Oh, he's repeating a thing he's been repeating to me before." But at that point, he switched. He didn't finish the [00:09:00] invocation, and he said Metatron's name six times. He went, "Metatron, Metatron, Metatron, Metatron, Metatron, Metatron." Now, listeners, Samael regularly just flips into a place where he is invoking Metatron's name over and over.

Usually, he'll say it a certain number of times and then say, "Praise His holy name," and then he'll do it again, and it's-it seems to be a ritual of sorts I don't know, um, we haven't had a conversation about the number of times he does it and what each of those mean, but it's something that he regularly does.

So he started off with the invocation. Then when he got to the angel of the veil, he went to Metatron, Metatron, Metatron. Then he switched out of that chant and said, and this is all new to me, "I bring to [00:10:00] you his balance, and she who stands in alignment, yet untouching, the gatherer of prayers." Then he said, and Jenn, I think this is a reference to what you and I were talking about on Sunday about the stone circle.

At that point, he said, "As you stand with your hearts through your spines..." So we had talked about standing back to back, right, with heart chakras, but not front to front heart chakras, but with our hearts through our spines. "As you stand with your hearts through your spines, so do I stand with the one known as Michael, and anywhere else I can balance.

Know, [00:11:00] please, that I have no quarrel with Ophan, she who serves the crown. In all things, there should be an aim for balance. In all things, let us not be caught up in who our enemies are said to be, but in the knowing of them, so that we may firsthand judge the character of their hearts." And then he started, like he does with Metatron, where he goes Metatron, Metatron, Metatron.

He then started saying, "Ophan, Ophan, Ophan," a series of times. And then he just stopped. So I jumped on the internet and typed in Ophan, because I do not know what or who that is. And what came up, the first thing that came up was the word [00:12:00] Ophanim, O-P-H-A-N-I-M. And it says they are a type of fire angel that guards the throne of God.

And I said, "Is Ophan and Ophanim the same thing?" And he was just quiet. So I feel though, like he's talking about Ophan is an entity, because he said, uh, "Know please that I have no quarrel with Ophan." He wouldn't say Ophanim or the Ophanim. He said, "I have no quarrel with Ophan, he who serves the crown."

And then he started talking about balance. This whole thing about him standing back to back with Michael and that he goes where balance is needed, remember way back that there, here on Earth, there's a lot of discussion about Michael and Samael being [00:13:00] enemies, which we know not to be true. It sounds like he's worried, uh, "Know please that I have no quarrel with Ophan, she who serves the crown."

Which sounds like the same disclaimer that he gave when Michael first showed up, when he was like, "I have no problems with my brother," right? But it's about who's Ophan? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, and he had said the same thing too, in almost those exact same words, about there is no quarrel between them, meaning Mary Magdalene and Simon Peter.

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

And then he's saying, "In all things there should be an aim for balance in all things. So let us not be caught up in who our enemies are said to be." So I feel like this is sort of a separate thing where he's using that to illustrate the point that we shouldn't just necessarily put people in a box and say, "You are my enemy," [00:14:00] but that we need to know them and then decide if we stand with them or if their work is not in alignment with ours.

But who the heck is Ophan? So all I did was I looked up Ophan real quick, and it came up with Ophanim, but I didn't look at Ophan

Jennifer Taylor: so for listeners who were not in the car with us during all these conversations- Yeah in the possibly the last podcast, we had, or probably the one before that. In one of them we were talking about, the elephant and standing within the elephant.

And, Samael was saying are we divine enough to stand within the elephant back to back, and that Tava and I were supposed to be, providing access to our, different but very much intersecting and connecting [00:15:00] paths by standing back to back and in the center of, that figure eight infinity kind of symbol.

And he was talking about standing within the elephant. And I brought up when we were on our, trip to belly dance that I felt like since that's a way that I work, that I was meant to stand back to back with her, create the stone circle as I do, and work the way that I do, and help to bring her into that same space and see what happens.

And we were saying, "What would happen? Like, what's gonna happen when we do that?" I wonder if that's not also potentially going to open us up to meeting another guide 

Tava Baird: That 

Jennifer Taylor: potentially might be Ophan, and if we had looked it up, and just again like [00:16:00] the beginning, because I remember when Michael was coming in really strongly, I was really disturbed by the idea that, Samael and Michael were supposed to have this quarrel and not get along and I, I love Samael so much and I'd also been calling in Michael for years, and I wonder if it's sort of a heading off the, yeah, don't-- You know, once again, that stuff isn't true.

There is no quarrel. There is no issue. Because It was right before the Power of Story that we recorded about Mary Magdalene. He started saying there is no quarrel between Mary Magdalene and Simon Peter and we were like, "Why is he suddenly talking about Mary Magdalene?"

And then we went into recording a Power of Story and he, did the whole thing talking about her. I, I almost wonder if it's not in preparation to her coming in as a guide. 

Tava Baird: I'm trying to like do research in real time here too, [00:17:00] and it says... "Ophanim is the ancient Hebrew word for wheels.

The singular is Ophan. Wheels are mentioned a number of times in the Old Testament." And there's pictures that look like eyes inside of wheels But I, I'm, I'm trying to look up the angel Ophan to see if Ophan is an angel. But it came in with... Let me look up Metatron. There may be somebody listening to this right now who knows exactly what this is, but we don't.

Um- Yeah, 

Jennifer Taylor: and if so, feel free to, uh, share your knowledge. 

Tava Baird: Yes, please. We would love that Metatron and Ophon. We also have a new one 

Jennifer Taylor: here. 

Tava Baird: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. When I typed in Metatron and [00:18:00] Ophan and I got Sandalphon. Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings, although not in scripture. Sandalphon features prominently in the mystical literary traditions of rabbinic Judaism and early 

Christianity, notably the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah, and is generally seen as gathering prayers and passing them on to God. Hold on. What did he say? Gatherer of prayers. I bring to you his balance. She who stands in alignment yet untouching, the gatherer of prayers. I think we might be looking at Sandalphon here.

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, okay. Okay. You know, when I, I typed it in, it was like Sandalphon. It said Sandalphon. What is angel of? It says angel of music and prayer, which is very interesting. The names? 

Tava Baird: Let's see. 

Jennifer Taylor: Although- Gathering human prayers, weaving them into [00:19:00] garlands, and delivering them to heaven while also leading the heavenly choirs in song 

Tava Baird: Although not explicitly...

Now I'm just Wikipedia-ing it here, but although not explicitly referenced in scripture, some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and risen to angelic status. Other sources describe him as the twin brother of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch is similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.

Wait a second. I thought Enoch was supposed to be the only angel that had ever, like the only one that had stories about him being human Okay. 

Jennifer Taylor: like originally they were saying that Metatron was Enoch and was human and Samael was like, yeah, he could not be contained.

Tava Baird: Yeah. "The name Sandalphon, which may be related to the Hebrew Sandek, [00:20:00] godfather, thereby corresponding to the tradition of a station held by Elijah with regard to evocation of the prophet in his capacity being protector of unborn children, may also be derived from the Greek prefix syn, meaning together, and adelphos, meaning brother, thus approximately meaning co-brother or co-worker."

Okay. Oh, oh, Jenn. "Description and functions. Physical descriptions of Sandalphon vary depending on the source. He is unifly- uniformly depicted as being extremely tall. Um, during Moses' visit to the third heaven, he is said to have glimpsed Sandalphon and called him the tall angel, though this legend dates to much later than the time of the Torah."

It said, uh, that we're looking at all different things. Um, [00:21:00] oh my God, there's so much here. Oh, "In the Greater Key of Solomon, Sandalphon is designated the left-hand feminine cherub of the Ark of the Covenant." So we've got Sandalphon described- The left hand ... but as both male and female, but we're also getting a left-hand thing here.

Uh, and then here in the liturgy for, I think it's pronounced Sukkot, he is credited with gathering the prayers of the faithful, making a garland of such prayers, and I think in the Zohar he is... Oh, oh, hang on. In the liturgy for Sukkot, I hope I'm saying that correctly. Sukkot, I think. Sukkot? I think it's Sukkot.

Thank you. He is credited with gathering the prayers of the faithful, making a garland of such prayers, and then, quote, "adjuring them to ascend as an orb to the supreme King of Kings. In the Zohar, he is [00:22:00] chief of the seventh heaven." And then it says, "As Michael does, he carries on a ceaseless battle with Samael, perhaps Satan, angel of evil."

Well, there you go. "The ancient sages, the ancient sages also referred to him by the name Ophan, meaning wheel, a reference to the wheel within the wheel from Ezekiel's vision of the heavenly chariot in the Book of Ezekiel chapter one." There's a shit ton of stuff here. Um- And this is just freaking Wikipedia 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, that's so cool.

You- that you found the Ophan and the Michael, 

Tava Baird: like 

Jennifer Taylor: that's 

Tava Baird: exactly- Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And then a little farther down, in Kabbalah or Kabbalah, I'm sorry, Sandalphon is an angel who represents... Okay, I don't know how to pronounce that. And overlaps or is [00:23:00] confused with the angel Metatron. He is said to appear before the pr- feminine presence...

Oh my goodness. I can't even pronounce a bunch of these words

Both on is Sandalphon. And my entire knowledge of Sandalphon is what I just now read you Okay. 

Jennifer Taylor: Well, that definitely, I feel like that definitely confirms the Ophan and the whole, quarrel thing with Michael. It's yet another one that they're saying is, you know, in a quarrel with Samael- Ophan ... and clearly don't know Samael because of the way they were referring to him.

Tava Baird: I find this so int- well, it, it described as both male and female, but we have that with Azrael too, right? I mean, Samael has said that gender doesn't really matter among angels. But this is interesting. But did you see the third [00:24:00] heaven during Moses'? Did Moses go to the third heaven? I've never heard that before.

I had, I had 

Jennifer Taylor: never heard that. I've never heard 

Tava Baird: that either. 'Cause you always say third heaven and higher, but I had never heard a connection back to

Oh, dude. So what were we gonna talk about this week? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. We were gonna do, like, basic energy kind of 101 of- Yeah ... understanding, uh, yeah, kind of the exact opposite of this. 

Tava Baird: Okay. 

Jennifer Taylor: Um... 

Tava Baird: Well, well, m- you know, Samael, do you wanna say anything else? I am interested to hear what the singer has to say. 

Jennifer Taylor: Like what I have to say on this topic or what I have to say, like what we were saying we were gonna talk about? 

Tava Baird: Okay. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And 

Jennifer Taylor: I'm wondering how it might connect. 

Tava Baird: Where... You know what? [00:25:00] I'm also... Yeah, I think what you just said makes sense. There's a reason that this entity that has an overlap with Metatron Or I guess a balance with Metatron?

I don't know. But there's a reason this is coming up now And I think one of the things I think I, I might be making a mistake on here. Remember when we were talking about time, um- Mm-hmm ... in our recent episodes, and we talked about how we look and we go look at the progress that I've made, or I'm farther ahead than I was there, or this happened first, this happened second, this happened third.

What if we get rid of that idea? And instead of me going, "Wow, this new stuff is more advanced," when we were intending to [00:26:00] talk about something that is what we might consider sort of a beginning lesson, maybe Ophan's coming in now to bring us information on that beginning lesson. 

Jennifer Taylor: Maybe we shouldn't look at it as structured 

Tava Baird: that way.

Jennifer Taylor: And as soon as you said that, I was... So I was, uh, scanning a website about Ophan. Mm-hmm. And it said he's often associated with teaching. He calls himself the angel of teaching. 

Tava Baird: Oh. 

Jennifer Taylor: One of the things he does is help us to learn our soul's lessons, reconnect back to love, courage, strength within us in order to move past the challenges that we go through in life.

He helps us move past the fears that keep us stuck where we are and he helps us, connect back to who we truly are. So interestingly, what I was sort of brushing up on [00:27:00] and bringing up so that I could more clearly articulate about the chakras and our energy system and how our energy systems work, and it's really kind of in line with that to some extent of, you know, understanding and being able to move past these fears and these doubts and these various things that we have and the challenges and how that happens in our energetic bodies and our physical bodies.

And I'm wondering if maybe I start talking about that, if that's not going to bring through more of what along the lines of what Samael just brought up. 

Tava Baird: Yes. What if the reason Samael is bringing this up, exactly what you said, is not because this is new [00:28:00] information, but that he's trying to tell us perhaps if you invite Ophan in, it will help- To create the space necessary for that energetic teaching to come through in a more impactful way.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. That's very possible. And I, I wonder if it's possible that that's what was happening already in the opening invocation, and that's part of why he started talking about it? 

Tava Baird: Yep. Oof. 

Jennifer Taylor: All right, 

Tava Baird: How have I been in Samael's orbit this long and I have never heard of an angel Ophann that he's supposed to be in ceaseless war with?

How is this possible?[00:29:00]

Jennifer Taylor: Well, There's, there's a lot that he's supposedly had more with and a- and against and things. I'm gonna ask with the pendulum here with Michael for a second. Um

Tava Baird: Angel of the Veil, Metatron, Metatron, Metatron. I bring to you his balance and she who stands in alignment yet untouching, the gatherer of prayers

Jennifer Taylor: Okay, So I asked if, if we like already had invoked Ophan as a part of the thing, and I got this sort of maybe kind of thing, which made me think that what we did was more set the space to invoke her, or him, or them, or, um, and that it might be [00:30:00] wise now that that space is set to go ahead and sing and kind of formally do that, and then move into talking about our energy systems and how they work and how we translate energy through our bodies and how all that stuff works 

Tava Baird: Samael, who has been very quiet here as we went in circles and did somersaults, just said, "Sing her, please."

Jennifer Taylor: All 

Tava Baird: right. I'm curious to see what comes. Are you, are you up for this, my man? Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, absolutely. 

Tava Baird: And I'm curious to see if he'll start talking again, so that maybe we can get some words to go with the song. Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, absolutely. I am all about that. And it's really interesting, because the opening song had a different feel to it.

It did. And, like, there was a different quality that I couldn't quite put my finger [00:31:00] on, as I was singing and opening the space. So, uh, yeah. Wow, I can't wait. 

Tava Baird: Oh, my goodness. 

Okay. Our cast of characters continues to grow. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yes. Oh, I'm so excited.

This is gonna be awesome 

All right. 

I don't know what that much energy's gonna do to me. It's 

Tava Baird: nice knowing you, Jenn. Yeah, it was nice knowing you.[00:32:00] [00:33:00] [00:34:00] [00:35:00][00:36:00] [00:37:00] [00:38:00] [00:39:00]

There's a very good chance that I'm having a nervous break- 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, no. Okay, we're just gonna breathe. 

Tava Baird: We really, we really, we really need to title this episode, "Tava Might Be Having a Nervous Breakdown." 

Jennifer Taylor: And I blow out your eardrums. 

Tava Baird: I know. It was gorgeous. [00:40:00] And then I, I, I went through this emotional rollercoaster where I started off just, like, in shock, and then I started laughing uncontrollably for no reason.

And I, I, I'm gonna get up and, like, walk away for a minute because I just... Jenn, wait till you hear this. Oh, 

Jennifer Taylor: no. Which I'm just so hoping that people still have eardrums and that we didn't have to edit that out. I've never hit notes that high in my entire life. I- I thought something might just burst in my throat.

I was like, "Whoa, okay, definitely higher vibration even than Michael." It 

Tava Baird: was her. It was her. I mean, or him, or it, or them. I don't know. So Samael had said, "Sing her, please." And then he started to speak, and he [00:41:00] said, "Ophan, the one who gathers. Ophan, whose energy resides in the ringing sword." 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, boy. "

Tava Baird: Ophan, who carries more of the eyes of the ancestors in her wake.

Ophan, the road maker." And then, buckle in, "Metatron creates the gate. Ophan lays the path. Michael cuts the bonds and determines who may follow." We talk about judgment, right? Yes. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yes. 

Tava Baird: There, there that is for him. Then he continues, "This is the pattern of divine expansion. The mysteries of the first two are not [00:42:00] fully known to the rest of us."

So he's talking about Metatron and Ophan. So I believe he's saying that the other angels do not understand exactly how it is that they do what they do. Let's, let's review those three again. Metatron creates the gate. Ophan lays the path. Michael cuts the bonds and determines who may follow. Then he talked about, "This is the pattern of divine expansion.

The mysteries of the first two are not fully known to the rest of us." When one's energy overlays with another, the waves affect each other. Forms are created. Perhaps among them, a new variable will be birthed and the way opens. [00:43:00]And then he said, "Building community is not just for comfort. It is a necessary step in creating possibility.

It is the holiest of works." Because when you have two entities whose energy overlays each other, which they do when they are building community, the divine energies of each of them affect the other and create a possibility for new variables that can then lead to divine expansion. Wait, there's more.

So I'm gonna go back a little bit 'cause it's important. "Building community is not just for comfort. It is a necessary step in creating possibility. It is the holiest of works. Attack or break a [00:44:00] community and find yourself in opposition to God." Now here's where it gets weird. But that isn't enough Gentle listeners, I have a terrible habit about the way that I use notebooks for Samael, okay?

I have stacks of notebooks. They are in no particular order When we get onto podcaster, when I sit down to channel, I just grab a notebook, flip to whatever page is empty, and start writing. This causes issues because then if we want to go back, I don't know which notebook it's in or what order it's in.

And as a result, I just have piles of notebooks waiting to be transcribed that I never get to, and everything is in the wrong order. [00:45:00] So I get to the end of this little writing, and I decide I need a new page. So I flip the notebook over, and there's literally, like, two pages of grocery lists, right? So I rip them out.

I don't know how... I must have picked up this notebook at-- or to-do lists or something. Although there is a sketch of an angel on one page, and I don't know what that is, and it says, "Pure white bells, Michael." Anyway, we'll ignore that. There are two pages, then I rip them out. And then what is on the next page is a note from February 10th, I assume from this year, that s- literally sounds almost like Samael's continuing or like he's-- like, it almost sounds like the continuation of what he's saying.

So we go [00:46:00] to, "Attack or break a community and find yourself in opposition to God." I turn the page, and it already says on the page from February 10th, "The commonality of our vibration is the foundation of our work here, Umshallah, to bring divine rhythm and wavelength to those out of balance, to allow our people to speak together in one powerful voice.

When the here reflects the existence beyond the fourth mirror in some way, progress is made, progress that cannot be undone, and it all starts on this plane with language. Let your words resound outside of their societal boundaries with love. Let us turn to one another and say, 'You are heard and seen, and this statement is not a rote platitude.'

Let us sing together. Let our bones tremble with it, and then glory [00:47:00] and balance will be ours." So he's talking about conversation in community when he just finished speaking on community. And at that point, I just put down the pen, and I said Am I supposed to have gone right into reading that? And he started laughing and he said, "And the cycle connects before expanding, Umshallah, just as you have drawn."

So basically what he just did was talk about community He talked about community on the 10th, and that was a cycle. We came back around to it today and expanded on it. And so we are following that diagram that he had us draw a couple podcasts ago. [00:48:00] So he totally wanted me to read this next and realize that I was coming back, or we were coming back to the end of a cycle, and have me reread what was said on the 10th.

Jennifer Taylor: Wow. 

Tava Baird: And that was the point where I started having the nervous breakdown. the thing that's getting me Ophan whose energy resides in the ringing sword. That means Michael carries some of Ophan's energy with him. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, and And I can't remember, Didn't he say that Metatron gave him the sword?

Tava Baird: I think so. I can't remember, but I- I, 

Jennifer Taylor: I- ... 

Tava Baird: I think you're right ... 

Jennifer Taylor: feel like at some point, like Metatron gave him the sword, and it also then has Ophan's energy in it, which makes sense if he's supposed to cut bonds, if he's like the [00:49:00] preceding, being- He's following 

Tava Baird: right 

Jennifer Taylor: after them, yeah ... yes, he's, he's starting right before them, right?

Like, like he cuts the bonds, and then they make the gate, or they make the gate, then the path, and then he- 

Tava Baird: Then he determines who gets to go down that path ... 

Jennifer Taylor: determines 

Tava Baird: who gets to travel on it. And, and, and we've seen this before. Remember back when we were talking about the gate at the inn, and the spirits there said it was malfunctioning and things were coming through it that weren't supposed to, and that the energy was out of balance in this, on this side of the veil versus the other side of the veil.

Basically, the energy had gotten out of whack, and the filter of who was allowed in and how many and at what time and what sort of work they were doing that Michael had set up, there was an energy imbalance, and the gate had to be fixed, [00:50:00] And that was the first time I saw the gate reset itself, with all the numbers that were moving.

Jennifer Taylor: Right. 

Tava Baird: Right? So if we have this idea that Metatron is always on the move and Metatron's passing creates the beginning of a gate, and then Ophan basically is coming along, Ophan the wheel, right? And creating this path so that people or entities can use the gate. But then Michael is kind of in charge of going, "Wait a second.

We don't wanna flood through here right now. Like, let's look at the balance in both worlds, not just from the divine side." Michael's setting up the stoplights kind of, right? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, So just the day before yesterday, we had a whole conversation about how I had received an attunement to the first cornerstone of [00:51:00] Amnivara, and I kept seeing this, like, geometry that kept happening and coming in, and it was the collecting and filtering and collecting and filtering of the energy that Michael was pouring into me for the attunement.

and then there was a symbol that I was saying, "So what does that mean when it's in the symbol the way that I've seen it?" And Samael was saying that that symbol is essentially the symbol of Michael filtering and protecting and deciding what should come in and the eye. So the symbol that he was telling us about, because I was like, I understand then how it is that Michael is using that geometry, like basically that symbol in my body when he's pouring stuff in, and then we have the symbol of that.

That's exactly what he does for the gates then. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. Yes. I am starting to disassociate [00:52:00] hardcore. Um, I need to ground. 

Jennifer Taylor: Um, can you tell, touch something and tell me about the temperature of it? Okay. Like, touch maybe the table or something- Okay, here we go ... and tell me. So, so what does it feel like? 

Tava Baird: It's cool.

Jennifer Taylor: It's cool. It's cool. What's the texture like? 

Tava Baird: Uh, smooth, soft. 

Jennifer Taylor: Smooth and soft. What color is it? 

Tava Baird: It's 

Jennifer Taylor: a 

Tava Baird: mouse 

Jennifer Taylor: pad. 

Tava Baird: It's black. Okay. Okay, that's much better. 

Jennifer Taylor: Um- 

Tava Baird: Okay. 

Jennifer Taylor: Let's see. Let's, uh, maybe pick something else and touch it, and you can tell me about it. 

Tava Baird: Okay, let's get, um... Here, I'll pick up my, my Lilith rubber stamp.

Jennifer Taylor: Okay. So tell me about- Okay ... what does that feel like in your hands? 

Tava Baird: Smooth at the top and bumpy at the bottom. 

Jennifer Taylor: All right. What temperature is it? 

Tava Baird: Um, slightly warm.

Jennifer Taylor: And [00:53:00] then put that against maybe your heart chakra and tell me how it feels there. What's the temperature there? Cooler 

Tava Baird: now. 

Jennifer Taylor: It's cooler? 

Tava Baird: It's cooler, yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: Okay. I- Um, maybe put it down on your legs for a minute. 

Tava Baird: This is wild. Remember how when I first started channeling Samael, like, things would get blurry, and there was almost like an overload?

That started happening as you were talking about the symbol. Like, everything was getting blurry, and my spine felt like it was on fire. Um- 

Jennifer Taylor: Wow. 

Tava Baird: For people who are listening, this is a fantastic exercise that I don't think we've touched on in a while. Jenn, would you mind reviewing with everybody, like, this technique you're using with me right now to ground?

I am going to- 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah ... 

Tava Baird: go get, um... I have tea across the room. I'm gonna go get that to drink [00:54:00] something and see if that chills everything out. And 

Jennifer Taylor: start... Stand up really slowly. 

Tava Baird: Slowly. 

Jennifer Taylor: Like, maybe put your hands on the desk, and then just try it out a little bit first. 

Tava Baird: Yeah, I have not had sensations like this since I first started channeling Samael.

Yeah. I feel like I've gone back 

Jennifer Taylor: in time. I feel you're more grounded before you stand up- Okay ... because standing up is a whole 'nother level of, uh- And you're still plugged into your, yeah. I was gonna say, you still 

Tava Baird: have it on. Yeah, I'm gonna take off my ear- But yeah, um, I think, I mean, this is an immense amount of energy came through in that song, I think.

Oh, my God. Yeah. All right. I, I, I'll be back in theory. Like, I- Okay. 

Jennifer Taylor: Right back. As you walk, pay attention to the sensation. Like, if you're barefoot- Mm-hmm ... feel how the ground feels underneath. Like, pay attention to the carpet and the foot rug- Okay ... and the temperature and the texture as you go, and see if that also helps to keep you anchored.

Tava Baird: Thank you. I will be right back. 

Jennifer Taylor: Okay. [00:55:00] So we've talked about this before. It's like a five, four, three, two, one kind of thing. You can do it in the more, you know, traditional way of tell me five things that you see, four things that you, hear, three things you can touch, or whatever.

And I don't remember exactly what the orders are. But like I just, you know, illustrated, the most important thing when somebody starts to disassociate, is to get them to pay attention to their physical body and what's physically happening around them. And I found the best way to do that is through touch.

Like, just the way that I was just describing it, having them touch things and tell you about how it feels, the texture, the color, as much detail as they can give you. But it needs to be detail that they get from direct physical experience. So things that they are seeing in the room. You don't wanna have them have to think back to anything.

So you want to stay [00:56:00] away from like, "Oh, where did you order that from?" Or, where did it come from or who gave it to you? But you want to instead focus on things like, something that they can only get the information from by using their senses in this moment. So, you know, the color of it, the texture and temperature and color are great because you get, lots of different senses there.

Um, you can have somebody tell you, sounds that they hear, like list as many sounds they hear, taste. the other thing is like her drinking is good. If you can have somebody, tasting something or something that has a lot of texture, like something crunchy, something chewy, something that has a lot of mouth feel to where there's a lot of sensation in it.

You wanna get physical sensation and get the person really paying attention to their physical sensations. then if they know of a, a [00:57:00] grounding technique or if you can be to where they can have their feet on the actual ground outside, like on the earth is really helpful.

How are you doing? 

Tava Baird: So I got up, I crossed the room and I have, in my effort to be more hydrated, I now keep four giant mason jars of peppermint tea brewing in the refrigerator at all times. And I just try to drink as much as I can. So I had went across the room and I went to go get it. I came back, I sit down, when all of a sudden my left eye just starts like it's on fire.

like I think there's something in my, uh, my left eye, but I, I mean, I didn't touch my eye or do anything different. So I had to get up again, round again, make it into the bathroom, and I just stood in there pouring water and blinking as fast as I could to see if I could dislodge. [00:58:00] But I don't think it's a thing.

I, it's just like my left eye was burning the same way my spine was burning just a few minutes ago. So I now probably look like I'm crying. I have water all over my eyes, and if it starts up again, I may have to get up and run in there But it is not lost on me that it's my left eye 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Yeah, there seems to be, and your spine too is really interesting to me based on the stuff that I was originally planning on talking about, 

Tava Baird: And it is, it is right there slightly below the shoulder blades, hot, hot, hot, like heart chakra, but on my back

What in the world is happening? 

Jennifer Taylor: Wow. 

Tava Baird: If, if, if this is, if this has to do with Ophan, I'm gonna need an [00:59:00] optometrist just to talk about her. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: Wow. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. That's some, some really powerful energy. And when it's interesting, the need for instant grounding, because I found as I was singing that, like, I was being shown to sing higher and higher notes, but then I became aware that it was like I had to sing a lower note first to be able to hit the higher note.

And it's like I was being shown that you must go lower to go higher. Yeah. And it was this sense of, you know, you have to be as, you know, more grounded in order to balance it with that. Because clearly, I mean, her energy is... I- if she's up there with Metatron, I mean, her energy- Yeah

is such high vibration that that's way more than our physical bodies and energy systems are, you know, designed to be taking in, and not a whole lot of it. Um- 

Tava Baird: And I wasn't even [01:00:00] s- ... but it's 

Jennifer Taylor: really interesting. Like, I understand. I wasn't 

Tava Baird: singing. Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: But you were receiving it though, because you were hearing it, so you got all of that.

And I did... It was interesting, though, that at the end I had to get down on my hands and knee- Like, with my head down, but instead of having my forehead on the ground, I was singing low notes, and notes that got lower and lower, like, down into the earth. It was like I had to get literally on my hands and knees with my face almost touching the ground, sending low note, like, energy down to try to, I guess, ground all of that.

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: Which makes sense that you were okay when we finished the singing, but when we started talking about all of the energy and the information that came through, that it was like you connected into all of that information and stuff again, like, maybe too strongly. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. And I mean, I've gotten to the point now where a lot of times I can [01:01:00] just channel Samael live.

Like, I don't have to sit and write because, well, sometimes I can't keep up writing. But I have not had... Like, I feel like I did on the podcast a year and a half ago, where it was like, okay, I'm gonna go sleep for days after, you know. This is a whole new level of energy - Yeah ... for both of us. I can't believe- Yeah, it's a lot So, well, the thing was the purpose of your song to invite Ophan in was so that then you could talk about, experiencing energy.

so it sounds like that energy is here. We're in a good, blessed place to do that. Are you up for that? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I thought I was like, okay, before we unpack any more of that so that [01:02:00] that does not completely destroy you, Yeah, I was like, maybe going now back to going lower to going high- to go higher concept.

Yeah. You know, I can talk about the, our energy systems and kind of generally how they are set up and made. and then we'll see. 

I know lots of people talk about chakras and, using them and it's like, oh, I have an issue with this sort of thing, and that's in that heart chakra, so I'm gonna, you know, get crystals and I'm gonna do these different things and work on that specific chakra.

but there's sometimes I've realized not a complete overall picture of how our whole energy systems work or kind of what they are and what they do. and so I thought I would just explain some of that. BUT it looks like that's going to have to be saved for NEXT week, as we are all out of time!

Tava Baird: Yep. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. It has been a wild [01:03:00] ride. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Absolutely. We look forward to, connecting with you again next week, and we will follow this with a, pre-recorded song so that we don't send Tava over the edge! Here is Sacred Soothing.

Tava Baird: And thank you for having attended my nervous breakdown.

We'll see you soon. 

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