Energetic Anatomy and Tuning In To Your Guides

Following the unexpected arrival of Ophan, Jennifer Taylor and Tava Baird pause their exploration of angelic mysteries to examine the landscape through which all spiritual experiences flow: our own energy systems. In this episode, they unpack the relationship between chakras, the central channel, grounding, life-force energy, and the energetic patterns that shape our lives. Along the way, they explore how unresolved experiences can affect our ability to move forward and why balance between Heaven and Earth may be one of the most important spiritual practices of all.

From there, the conversation shifts into the subtle art of receiving guidance. How do our guides actually communicate? Why do so many people miss the signs they're being given? Through stories of synchronicity, intuition, and unexpected messages delivered by strangers, Jenn and Tava explore the quiet language of spirit and the importance of trusting those tiny nudges that seem to come from nowhere. A thoughtful and accessible episode for both beginners and experienced practitioners, this conversation reminds us that sometimes the greatest spiritual breakthroughs begin with the smallest whisper. 

Resources:

The Gift of the Body by Jonathan Goldman

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Transcript

S4Ep9 Energetic Anatomy and Tuning In To Your Guides

Jennifer Taylor (2): [00:00:00] thank you for joining us for part two of this episode. We will start with an opening song, called Consecrating and Clearing and then we'll just jump right in. 

Tava Baird: And just as a quick reminder, in the last one, Tava was struggling with dealing with Ophan's energy, and so we took a brief hiatus from discussing Ophan for me to explain chakras and the way that our, um, energy systems are set up and work so that, she could have a little bit of time to regroup, and then we kind of re-entered some of the Ophan conversation

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Jennifer Taylor (2): Are you doing okay? 

Tava Baird: Yeah, I'm just, I'm just "holy roots'ing" my heart chakra here with, uh, balance and, uh, silence.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Okay. 

Tava Baird: don't mind the gestures, sorry. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Let me know if you need help. we can stop this at any point. Okay. Your health, you're most important. 

Tava Baird: Okay. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): [00:05:00] Um, 

I know lots of people talk about chakras 

but there's sometimes I've realized not 

a complete overall picture of how our whole energy systems work or kind of what they are and what they do. 

and so I thought I would just explain some of that. 

so we have three main parts that I'll talk about. We have a central channel, 

or, our core, that's something that's not necessarily always talked about with regards to the chakras, and I think sometimes it's kind of left out, I think, of a lot of energetic discussions as to how we work. A lot of people have also heard of our aura, which are, the layers of our energy field that go out from our bodies.

And most people have heard of the chakras. So I'm gonna start with that central channel, and actually, you've heard me talk about this even in several podcasts. I've talked about, um, actually, in one of the last ones where [00:06:00] we were talking about the place where Samael and Michael meet along our spine.

So we have a central channel of light that is at the core of who we are, and it comes down from above our head, comes into the top of our head through what's often called the crown and it moves down through our body just in front of our physical spine, down and through our perineum, 

and out and into the earth and continues beyond us underneath. And this is the core of who we are.

this central channel is there all the time. it's a part of our makeup and how we're designed and how we're continually fed life force energy that, chi that you've heard or ki, your prana, this life force energy, the thing that animates us and keeps us, alive.[00:07:00]

So there's that central channel, and then the chakras are, energy centers along the way. So that central channel is essentially made of divine light, and it's often, whitish, goldish looking with... And it has some deeper undertones because it also connects down into the earth, and so it has some of those earth energies with it as well.

Jonathan Goldman had described it as like starlight with this underlying deep bass note. So there's that, light from The Source of all Creation

and then there's also this deep earth energy that's resonating within it, too, because it's connecting the two things, and it's designed to allow us to have a continuous flow of insight and inspiration and information from the, divine light sources and like universal sources and then also to go down [00:08:00] and connect into the physical earth and the energies of the earth so that we are anchored here on the planet in our bodies and that we can bring those kind of higher information sources through and manifest them on earth in our physical bodies.

And so when everything is operating really healthy, we have that light that's going through everything. Now, If you think about our body almost kind of as a prism, so there's white light going in, and then it gets refracted into all these different colors.

So you've seen, with a prism where white light goes in one side and out the other side comes a rainbow, and it's a similar kind of thing. throughout our central channel there are different spots that originate in the center of that channel that have different frequencies, different vibrations, just like the the differences in the colors on the rainbow.

And you'll [00:09:00] often see the chakra colors, illustrated as having the same color spectrum as the rainbow. So Starting from the bottom up they are red, orange yellow and so on, with the crown chakra at the top being violet. and there are additional ones that are not directly connected to our physical body. But for right now, we'll just focus on the the ones that are touching our body.

So there's one right at the top of our head, which is called the crown, which is where the energy comes into our physical body. There's the third eye, which lots of people have heard, um, that it's like right inside the center of our, head, like at our pineal gland inside our brain, and it lines up with that spot between your eyes.

it's slightly above and between your physical eyes. Then there's one that's in the center of our throat one that's in the center of our chest in alignment with our physical heart, like kind of in line with your physical heart, but in the center, like your [00:10:00] sternum. And there's, one that's right below your diaphragm and your sternum, in the center there, that is your solar plexus.

You keep going down and there's one, near the belly button area, a little bit below there, that's your, sacral chakra. And then there's one that's centered there at your perineum very low there in your pelvis, and that's your root chakra, and that governs basically everything from there down.

And these different areas, they're like receivers and transformers of that energy. They emanate from the center of that channel, and they go outwards. The one at the very top of your head is like a cone, and it actually faces up. So it's like a cone that's pointing up 

it's like having a, a giant waffle cone there at the top that's recollecting all of the goodness that's coming down from above. The root chakra at the other end, which [00:11:00] is down at the bottom at your perineum, is like taking that cone and pointing it downwards. So that's sending the energy then down into the earth so that we can be connected there, and it also helps to receive energy up from the earth.

Your other chakras are going front to back. they have these vortexes, these cones of energy, opening out to the front and it's also opening out to the back. So the openings, the big wide part of the cone is facing outwards away from you.

And that's what happens then for the third eye and the throat and the heart and the solar plexus, the sacral chakras. All of those, the energy is facing to where it's moving more of a forward and backwards motion so all of our chakras are designed, just like our organs are, to be able to clean and restore and balance themselves and keep them, really nice, and healthy 

Just like our organs are designed to, [00:12:00] replenish themselves and clean themselves and take care of themselves in an ideal situation. And the Chakras create the energetic template, the foundation for our physical body.

So it's not something that's necessarily overlaid onto our physical body, but it's actually the origin of the physical body. Everything that's within that chakra area, that's within our energy field, is actually coming from that energetic source to begin with. And so the organs that happen to physically be in that area correspond to the energies and the functions and what's happening with the chakra, that's lined up with it.

So the heart chakra is governing, you know, the heart and the other organs that are in that area. Our sacral chakra is governing our, reproductive organs and, colon and intestines and things [00:13:00] like that, 

So the health of the ORGANS are closely related to the health of the chakra. that governs it. So if that chakra is off, a lot of times you might have issues in those organs that could potentially manifest into something in the physical as well. So the other thing is that as those chakras spin forward and back, and, emanate from us, we also have layers of our energy bodies that are extending from our physical bodies, and each of those layers is also, connected to the chakras that have energy moving through each of those layers , and depending on where it is in front or behind us or around us, like what chakra is related to that also has to do with what kinds of information and experiences are held in the energy field in that area as well.

And [00:14:00] that's often called like our aura or our energy field or our energy body, and those are given labels like, the physical level layer, which is, within our physical body, the etheric, which is like right up against our, body, kind of like a second skin, the emotional body And then further out the mental body, and then further out from that is the spiritual body.

And so all of these things are, all interrelated, and they're all working with each other, and they're all kind of literally on a spectrum, just like the spectrum of color. They're on like a spectrum along our central channel, and they're all working together. And so what we're going for, as Samael is always talking about, is a nice balance between everything.

And there are times when one needs to take over and do more of a job than the other because what it is that we're [00:15:00] doing requires more focus, and it requires more of that kind of energy. And then there are times when, you know, that one's gonna sort of calm down, and then another one's gonna be a lot stronger because we need to be bringing through. more of THAT kind of energy.

But part of what our chakras do is that they help us to manifest things in this physical world. They help us to be able to organize and integrate and use the energy that we have, use that life force energy that's coming through, and work with it and be able to, operate in the physical world, to do things, to talk to people, to express our creativity, to, interact with each other.

And the front and the back of us are-- there's kind of a difference in the ways that the energies work or what they do. So the energy cone that goes out in front of you has to do with like manifestation, [00:16:00] like what is, what you're bringing into the world and how it is that you're moving.

We talk about like moving forward. Literally, it's the energy that is moving forward from us that's creating, that's manifesting, that's bringing all of this stuff into being. The energy that's behind us has to do with, like potential for action. it supplies the fuel for the manifesting.

And so if the chakras in the back part of us, if things are clogged up and held back there, it's like a slingshot. It's like taking this and it's pulling it way back, but it's not letting go. Or it's like it's damming up the river of the natural flow of, how it is that these things are meant to come through into the world and be there.

our energy body is a repository of all the things that have happened to us, that we've experienced, that we've [00:17:00]done, that we've thought. All of that is held in our energy bodies. And if they are stored in a way that 

They're kind of locked away, like memories certain things that have happened that we have not dealt with, that we've just sort of blocked away and we're not accessing that. We're not ... It's like, I'm not gonna talk about it. I'm not gonna think about it. It's too much. I'm just gonna stuff it away.

That's stored in the back of the chakras that h- have to do with that kind of thing. So if it's maybe, um, a family tribe kind of issue, it would probably be, you know, kind of in the back or related to the, the root chakra, or if it has to do with, like, a broken heart kind of thing, it would be, like, behind your heart chakra, 

Um, sexual trauma, that kind of thing would be behind your sacral chakra, the, chakra that deals with our sexuality and creativity and things like that. And when that [00:18:00] happens, when we have something that hasn't been processed and dealt with And I use the term healed loosely, um, it acts as something that actually pulls back holds back dams up our life force energy so that things are not able to flow through then.

It holds back that potential and the fuel that we need for that chakra to operate in a healthy way in the world. And so that can manifest in lots of different ways, emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually. And so it's really important, you know, when people talk about a lot of times, like, doing shadow work or working on these things in order to go forward, we need to be able to sort through those things that we've stored behind us and in the backs of those chakras in order to release the energy that is there and allow it to then flow through into the world in a healthy way.

[00:19:00] And so one of the things I had talked about was that in a conversation with someone recently who was asking about how these things work and talking about flowing energy to other people, is that, A lot of people say they feel energy. Like, I feel energy moving, but I don't know what to do with it, or I feel the energy moving, and does that mean that I have reiki or that I can, use that the way that, that people use reiki?

And This is a whole big, a topic of stuff that's way too much to get into right here. But- overall, the idea is that we, you're likely to be able to feel the energy moving through your body, which is a good thing. And the more you can feel your energy moving and feel into the sensations of that, the more you're able to be aware of what areas, you know, the energy seems to be more stagnant and what areas that it tends to [00:20:00] be a lot more open.

And all of us tend to have, certain chakras that we've really sort of locked down that don't have a lot of energy flowing through them. When they're, naturally flowing, in a healthy way, they're spiraling or, like, vortexing and circling in a clockwise manner.

if you're looking at someone from the front, you're looking at their body from the front, it's clockwise that direction, 'cause it's hard when we're talking about our own physical bodies as to which direction clockwise would be. and then our energy can actually sometimes go the other direction or be, like, be really shut down or just really stagnant.

So when a chakra is really open, that's when you're probably most likely to be feeling energy moving. And a lot of times people who have really open hearts tend to feel that. It's like their heart feels like it's just gigantic, and they can feel all of that energy there, which is a really open, heart [00:21:00] chakra.

That energy is something that's transferred to others. You know, if you're hugging someone and your heart chakra is super open and you're so filled with love for them, and you just give them a big hug, they're gonna feel that. You are transferring that energy to them. the key is that we want to make sure that we're aware of the energy that's flowing through our bodies and what's happening and helping to have things be as balanced as possible and that if we're sharing energy with others, we're really intentionally doing a lot of giving energy, that we're not giving of our energy, but that we have a nice flow of energy through that central channel where we are, we're really grounded and connected below and we have that lovely continuous flow that's coming in.

And it does actually, energy comes up from the earth into us, and it comes [00:22:00] down through our central channel that way into us, and it sort of mixes and blends around in our heart chakra and permeates. But So ideally you want your intention to be that you're drawing in, like if you're giving energy to someone, you want to be focusing on the idea that you're drawing in extra life force energy or extra Earth energy, and you're flowing it to them as opposed to feeling, oh, my heart feels really, really open and really strong, and just giving that because we don't want to deplete our own energy.

And the energy that we're flowing through is going to be, less tied into all of our energies and our personal things that are going on. Um, but when we're talking about something like Reiki, you're not giving your energy at all.

You're entirely connected to like another light frequency band that's coming in through [00:23:00] your crown chakra, and then you're directing it out through your hands or your eyes or your feet or your breath or, wherever you're intending it to flow. But when you're doing something like Reiki, you are connected then to an additional vibration and you're very, very intentionally stepping back and allowing that to be the thing that comes through so that you're not drained.

And that specific line of vibration also has, a spiritual guidance component to it as well, which is really helpful. I'm hoping that this was helpful, at least to just get an idea of what happens in our body. This is, this could be like an entire podcast in itself that, could go on for years and never touch all- 

Tava Baird: Yes

on all of 

Jennifer Taylor (2): the things. 

Tava Baird: And I think, um, I'm actually going to step back real quick. Samael has advised that I grab, Matilda, who has a lot of my energy in her just to kind of regulate myself. I'll be right back

Jennifer Taylor (2): Good job, Samael. I wish I thought of that. I'm [00:24:00] like, "Oh, why didn't I think of Matilda?" 

Tava Baird: Well, he said something briefly. He said, um, to go back to the, Ophan energy that was coming through. He said, "The singer is more able to handle her energy, Umshallah. It has long been exposed to it in the sword, and she naturally vibrates at a higher frequency.

You do not have regular experience with it, and so feel turned inside out." So, um- 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Gotcha ... 

Tava Baird: it appear, it appears there was a brief oversight on the side of the angel about the fact that I probably need to buckle up before Ophan came in. Um, one of the points that you were making the other day that I loved, and I would love for you to speak to, if you don't mind, is, um...

Oh, by the way, for those of you who can't see what I'm doing and listening, Matilda is a poppet that travels everywhere with me, and I made her, and, [00:25:00] she is basically just a big old chunk of my energy. So I am holding her, right now as we are recording to sort of get my body back to its normal energy.

The left side of my body is going bonkers. Everything from my eye to I'm itchy all up and down my left arm Everything's just, everything's gone left. Um- But what you were saying the other day, uh, for people who often, are starting to do energy work, first off, there's lots of different types of energy, not just Reiki.

and so sometimes people, don't realize that. But the second thing is that a lot of these energetic changes are a lot more subtle than you think. I see practitioners a lot of times in classes who, when a guide comes in or when there's energy shifting, they expect it to feel [00:26:00] sort of like what I'm experiencing right now, where parts of me are on fire or aren't functioning or are you know-

they expect that it's big, and it's not always big. You just kind of have to tune yourself to the subtlety of energy moving through you. So a lot of times if you are sitting and you're focused on, "Oh, can I feel something moving here?" And you notice that you have an inclination to move a certain way or do something with your breath or sing or whatever it is, follow that inclination.

A lot of times we go, "Oh, I'm, uh, that's probably nothing." No, no, you're tuned in. That's something. And Jenn, would you mind elaborating on that a bit more? 'Cause you did a much better job of it the other day when we were talking than I have done here. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, no. You're doing great. yeah, so I was having a [00:27:00] conversation, and I realized that- when I talk about my experiences with a guide and with Michael or, with other beings that come in and I'll say, you know, "Michael told me to do this," or, I heard something or whatever, I realize that it sounds like a much more clear, defined, obvious, kind of experience than it really is.

and I think especially because, you know, with Tava it is very clear. You know, she sees, Samael, hears him talking, and it's more clear and defined because it's in words. When- Yeah, 

Tava Baird: I'm the big weirdo, folks. Do not use me as a guide for what should be going on. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): It is, what she experiences is, I would say, really rare.

Like, that is not the way that the majority of guides interact, or the way that [00:28:00] the majority of people receive and experience their guides. So if you're hearing us talk, go through this all the time and thinking, "That's what this, that's what it should look like for me, so if it doesn't look that way, I'm not getting anything," we really wanted to clarify.

and I realize it's really just a simplification, like a way to be able to communicate because otherwise if I didn't say, "This is what Michael said to do," it would take me about 20 sentences to say that one communicate that one thing. But it's really more of a knowing and like this deep inner sense of, oh, that's what I'm supposed to do.

So I hear him as that ringing in my ears that, you know, that we've talked about, the ringing of the sword. I'll hear that so I'll know he's really present or really close when I hear- the louder it gets, I'm guessing it's the closer that he is or the more excited or intense his [00:29:00] energy is about like, "You need to be paying attention to this."

Like, as I'm saying that, it's getting louder and louder. But I don't necessarily hear words from him 99% of the time. But when I am connecting and intentionally paying attention to him, or I'm asking him a question, or I'm asking for guidance I, I more just get this sense of knowing of, I think I'm supposed to do this, And 

When I think about it, it's really a very subtle, subtle shift in vibration. And what I've come to learn is that when we're trying to listen to guides, and we're trying to get a sense of who is here and what it is, we're often looking for something big. We're expecting to hear words. We're expecting to see something really clearly.

Um, [00:30:00] and it's typically not like that. It's really, more about learning to feel into the tiny little subtleties in frequency shift. And it can be anything from a subtle shift in temperature, to... it feels literally like it's as thin as a hair, the difference between, like not receiving something and going, "Oh, I think that's it."

It's like Being in a store, I don't know if you've ever sort of just turned yourself over in a store and been like, "I'm just gonna see. I don't know why I'm here, but I feel like I was supposed to go in here." And then you just kinda find yourself over in a spot or going, "I don't know, some part of me just, I just felt like I wanted to go over and I was supposed to stand in front of that bookcase."

And then you happen to look up and you're like, "Oh my gosh, that is... That book is [00:31:00] exactly the message that I've been looking for. You know, this has exactly the information or the answer to the question that I had asked." Or just this tiny little impulse to pick up this book instead of that one or to look out the window at a certain time or, a thought that just pops into your mind.

It's, it's something really, really subtle and part of the key of that is that we don't want to be hypervigilant, you know, walking around with like, like, "Okay, what is it? What is it? Where is it?" But when our guides are communicating or trying to get us to become aware of something, the same thing will maybe show up multiple times in a row and you think, "You know, what are the odds that 

my attention's been drawn to a panda three times in the last twenty-four hours." You know, it was on a TV show, it was on a bumper sticker, it was on a thing, and you start thinking, "Okay, there may be something [00:32:00] here." 

Tava Baird: Like one of the things that I tell people is sometimes they'll contact me for a bone reading and the bone reading will say that there's a guide waiting for an invitation to come in and people will say, "Well, how do I know which guide?" And I'll say, "You need to go out and walk in the world and they're gonna make themselves known."

And one of the ways that they often do that is through the voices of other people in your environment. 

Yeah. 

Where you'll be sitting having dinner with somebody and somebody will say the name of an entity and then the next day another person that doesn't know the first person or that doesn't communicate with them also says that name and then the next thing you know somebody gifts you something that has to do with that entity and you're like, "Okay, here it comes."

Um, I did a bone reading for someone once and it said the same thing, that there was a guide waiting to come in and I was sitting there with one of [00:33:00] my yes no, with my little cowrie shells for yes no and I was literally throwing out entity names that I thought it might be And I kept getting no, no, no, no, no.

And then finally I got one that said yes. And I looked up at the person I was reading for and said, "Have, have you ever heard of this entity?" And they looked at me like someone had slapped them and said, "My mother came by this morning with a statue of that goddess and gifted it to me, and I'd never heard of them before, and I just stuck it on the coffee table So here was a mother delivering a statue going, "I thought you might like this."

The person went, "I don't know who this is," and stuck it on the table, and now less than 24 hours later, I'm giving them that name again. Like, hello? You know, the guide is trying to make themselves [00:34:00] known I didn't know their mother, I didn't know about this gift, and here we have the exact same name showing up in one day.

When the Morrigan first showed up, I got lost, and I ended up in Morgantown, and it was Morrigan everywhere, and I went into a metaphysical shop, and there was a huge statue of the Morrigan on the front table. And when I went back to that shop like a couple days later and was like, "Oh, you sold the statue," they were like, "We don't know what you're talking about.

There was never a statue of the Morrigan there." Right? So I was, I was having multiple, you know, where I get lost and show up in one town that has the same root as that name, and then a questionable experience in a shop that had lots of entities referred to it. So look for these subtle things.

I, I know Jenn said it before in a previous podcast, and I, I think we've repeated it a few times, but the biggest impediment to your being sort of [00:35:00] hooked into energy work or magic is the doubt, right? So if you go, "Hmm, maybe I didn't hear that," and you automatically write it off, you are less likely to hear the next two or three times that it comes in, right?

But a lot of times these things are subtle. You're listening for it in song lyrics. You're seeing it on license plates. You're hearing the name in casual conversation around you. but when you sit down and you, you just start observing and noticing these things, you know, if you have the impulse, and the impulse isn't something dangerous, follow the impulse, even if it seems a little bit wacky.

And what you start to find over time is that you start to be able to distinguish the energy of a message from just, "Oh yeah, I wanna eat that Kit Kat bar while I'm in the aisle at Target." You know? Like [00:36:00] there's-- you'll start to be able to tell the difference between just sort of a craving or an impulse that's- In the here and now, and ones that are coming from someplace else.

But if you never trust those impulses and follow them and see what the result is, you never find out what the message might have been. and you'll finally get to a point where you're like, "I am clearly being hit over the head with this." But if you didn't trust those first couple and just go with it, you don't arrive in that place where you can start to tell the difference.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And that was one of the big things that I was emphasizing in this conversation the other day was that is the following through, that we really have to follow through with those tiny little inclinations that we get. Again, as long as they're, you know, it's not dangerous and we're not talking about I got [00:37:00] this tiny inclination to quit my job, I'm just gonna quit my job.

You know, we're talking about, like, I just feel like maybe I'm supposed to go over there, or maybe I'm supposed to stop into that store, or I just got the sense of call, of thinking of somebody, I think I'm gonna call them or, you know, those kinds of things bec- you know, something that is not going to dramatically change your life, in an instant that could be a good or bad thing, you know, depending on how we inter- you know, interpret it in that moment.

the little things, those little impulses that lead us in one direction versus another every time we act on it. So, you know, just assume like, just play with it. Just pretend for a while. Pretend like you're hearing your guides and pretend like they're sending you these, these very tiny little impulses and you're playing a game and you're just trying to see what it is that they're leading you [00:38:00] towards.

So just that little impulse to do this, that, or the other, or in a certain direction, follow it. And what happens is when they're sending you this message, they're getting you to go do that, and you do it They're like, "Yes, yes. Okay, give her another one. Give her another one. Like, she's getting it, she's getting it."

And with each little step, you build confidence because usually when you start following through on these, there's some kind of validation for doing it. And it may be that you need ... That, you know, the first impulse was, "I think I'm just gonna get out of the house and go somewhere." And then the next impulse was, "I think I'm gonna just drive this direction."

And then the next one is, "Oh, you know, I've never even noticed that store before. I think I'm gonna go in there." But at the end of these little series of impulses, you're likely to end up standing in front of, a person or, having a conversation or seeing something or hearing [00:39:00] something that you just have this feeling, I know this was for me.

And sometimes you're overhearing a conversation of somebody in a restaurant behind you that suddenly says something and it just lights up. One of the ways that I feel like we kind of can get a sense of this was for me is, you know, you may have heard the same song 100 times and, but then all of a sudden a line stands out to you and feels like it has meaning.

You may have driven down the same road past the same billboards and the same signs a million times, but all of a sudden your attention is drawn to like one line or one image on a billboard. And there's this resonance within you where you, where you'll feel this sense of I think that was for me. it's like it taps into something within you that just kind of lights up.

Right. And when you feel that, if you can listen to that and [00:40:00] honor it, it builds that... It's kind of like building muscle memory. You know, you're, you're developing new neural pathways And every time you do that thing and you get a hit from it, and you honor it, and go, "I know I could explain this away in a billion different ways, and there are a million different people I could tell that would tell me I was crazy, but I'm gonna ignore it, and I'm gonna say thank you, I'm getting it, and I'm gonna pay attention," every time, it starts feeling stronger.

You get more, and more and more, and you start picking up on more and more, and your confidence in that grows. And then every time you've had those situations where you've had the validation of, oh my gosh, this is why I came here. I just had exactly the conversation with exactly the person that I needed to.

Really, really build that into your brain. It's called highlighting. highlight that moment for yourself and go, "This [00:41:00] started with this tiny little inkling that I just felt like maybe I would go to the store now, or maybe I would get out of the house, or maybe I would walk over here." And really highlight all of those tiny little things that led you to that so that your brain goes, "Okay, this is something we pay attention to."

And you start recognizing that feeling of resonance within you, that feeling of that little bit of oh that happens when you notice. 

Tava Baird: Right. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): And then it starts feeling bigger. And what I realized that I was saying is that I'll say, um, you know, Michael told me to do this, or I knew that was what he, meant or whatever.

It's not that the messages are necessarily even any louder than that, but that I have tuned my energy and perception to be so aware of the tiny little subtleties [00:42:00] that it seems like a much bigger thing now to me. Right. So, you know, it's not that I'm getting... You know, he's shouting at me and waving, going, "Over here, do this," which he might be, but I'm still picking up as like a, "Oh, I think I might, I think maybe I'll go over there."

Yep. Exactly. But to me, it feels so much bigger now because I know I've built the confidence and the strength and the fine-tuning. It's really a fine-tuning of ourselves, of learning to pay attention to the tiniest little things. Right. And the more you do that, again, in a Just setting your awareness, just setting, even just for the day, you could say, "Okay, today I'm going to be aware.

And you can just speak out loud to your guides, you know, "Whatever divine guides are here in my highest good that are trying to help me along my soul's path, I just want you to know I'm listening and I'm paying [00:43:00] attention." 

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Exactly. But beyond that, don't go through your day with your eyes super wide looking, you know, "Oh, is that a sign?

Wait, is that a sign? Is that a sign?" Just sort of let it go from that point. But you've told yourself, and you've told them, "I'm aware and I'm listening." And that's really all it takes. And then just go through your day and the things will naturally stand out to you. Or you can ask a question to them- Yeah

at the beginning of the day and say, "I really need guidance on..." Try to stay away from yes, no, and, but just "I really would love guidance on, my career path or my, you know, this decision that's weighing on me." Yeah. And then just let it go and see how it comes to you. 

Tava Baird: Love to go back to you... So this is something that I see people do to sort of help-- like, they end up getting in their own way, is, um, you talked about, you said, "Pretend your [00:44:00] guides are talking to you."

A lot of people go, "Oh, but what if I'm making this up in my own head?" Like, you know what? Here's the thing. If you shut yourself down saying, "I'm not gonna trust what's happening in my own head," then you're not going to get messages. But if you-- think about what, what do they tell you in career? They say to dress for the job that you want, to act like you already have that job, 

If you want to advance. And there's an important point in that. When you already put yourself in the energetic space of, "I've arrived, I've achieved it, I know what I'm doing," your whole energy about how you relate to your work changes. If you put yourself in the space of, "My guides are talking to me," and when that little voice in your head goes, "Oh, but maybe you're making it up," just say back to that [00:45:00] voice, "So what?"

I'm dressing for the job I want right now. I'm opening myself up. I'm putting the possibility out there that messages are coming through, because that is the first step in allowing them to come through. If you keep saying, "I don't hear anything, I don't hear anything," they're standing around you.

Like, the odds of Michael showing up on your front lawn with a large sign on a stick are pretty low. But if you get used to listening to where these guides are and what they send you, pretty soon it comes across like him with a sign on a stick. I'm gonna give you an example. Jenn and Keith and my husband and I were having lunch in one of our favorite restaurants a couple months ago, and the restaurant serves coffee.

We could absolutely just sit there in the booth and have coffee Every time we've had lunch before, [00:46:00] we would meet in the restaurant, and then we go our separate ways. But on this day, all of a sudden Keith looks at us around the table and goes, "Do you guys wanna go get coffee somewhere else?"

And we were like, "Why?" Like, "We're, we're here in the table where we always are. If we ask for coffee, they will bring it to us. Why would we go somewhere else?" And he's like, "I think we need to go down the street, and we need to go get coffee at this coffee shop that we all love." But I, I remember sitting there thinking, "Keith, like, they could literally just bring coffee to the table.

Why?" But I could tell he now had this, like, different energy about him, like he was fired up that we needed to go down the street. So we all went, "Okay." My husband and I got in our car. Jenn and Keith got in theirs. We drive, what, like two blocks or three blocks and pull into this coffee shop.

And as my husband and I get out of our car, we're waiting on the sidewalk for Jenn and Keith to find parking, and [00:47:00] as we're standing there, this woman gets out of her truck right next to our car. She's covered in pagan tattoos, and she turns around, and she's wearing like a T-shirt that says something about a witch on it.

Now, I could've gone, "Ah, random pagan," right? But it's weird to see in the place that we live, people who sort of have their paganism on display. She's directly next to our car And when she got out of the car, I had this overwhelming urge that I was supposed to talk to her. And of course, I'm thinking, I think Keith was picking up on the fact that I needed to get my butt down there because Jenn and I are supposed to meet her.

And so this woman gets out of her truck, and of course, the part of my brain that goes, "Oh, oh, what are you gonna say to this stranger? She's gonna think you're weird if you just talk to her." I'm like, "Well, she's [00:48:00] literally wearing signs all over her body on, in her tattoos and her T-shirt that say, 'I'm not gonna think this is odd,' because she's literally labeled witch," right?

and I'm standing four feet from her. And so I said, "Hi, I like your shirt. Um, I have some like it." And her whole face lights up, and it started this whole conversation. And then Jenn comes over, and we continue the conversation. And it turns out she's opening an art gallery in the next town over, and she was looking for community, and, I was looking for more places to put my books.

And now I have a friend, but the only way I met the friend and the business associate was because Keith suddenly went, "We're not supposed to be sitting here right now. We're supposed to be three blocks down." And we listened to him. [00:49:00] He could've just sat there and said, "I'll ask the waitress for a cup of joe."

But instead, he went, "Come on. Let's go. Everybody, let's go." And Him listening to that put us in the path of someone who has been very beneficial has created spaces for me to teach in and for people to gather in, who might not otherwise have met each other. So that opened a whole door forward.

But again, it took Keith going, "Let's go," and us all going, "We know to listen when he gets that-" That motivation. We notice all of that. And because there wasn't all of the questioning, "Ugh, what if we're just making this up?" We were able to see that the result was obviously something of a magnitude that 

It was changing the way I could reach into community, and I was able to network her with some other people [00:50:00]who she's now gotten to be really close friends with, and they're doing work together. So it's those little... It can be as simple as where am I having that next cup of coffee? And then when I get there, just sit and watch and listen and see what happens.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, absolutely, and I love that. Another story that came to me when, we were talking too about, you happen to be somewhere and, a stranger, just happens to mention the, name of a deity. And, it's interesting, I know somebody else was talking about that one of the ways that they found out about one of their big guides was that their parent, who was totally not into any of this kind of stuff, happened to be walking through, and I think it was, a thrift store saw this statue and was like, "Oh, that's the sort of thing, she would like."

but was not even supportive of, those kinds of things Brought it and gave it to her, not having any idea, who it was, but it was like, "Oh, [00:51:00] that's the sort of thing that she might like." Right. And it ended up connecting her. That was, like, the big final sign of, "Oh my gosh, yes, this is, Saraswati is connecting with me."

Tava Baird: Yes, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): yes. And it's interesting because a lot of times the people delivering the messages don't have any idea that they're delivering a message. You know, it's not something where they're necessarily coming up and saying, like, that they consciously know that they are here to deliver, and sometimes you do.

I've had people like walk up to me in the grocery store and go, "I have a message that I'm supposed to give you." Yeah. And I'm like, "Okay." 

Tava Baird: Yep, yep. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Um, but a lot of times they, they don't know, and I think it's just that much more delicious when that happens. so I was in Ireland, with Keith Oh my goodness, like 20 years ago maybe.

And really, I, I was... I guess I'd maybe sort of read maybe The Celestine Prophecy I'd read or something, but I was not really into any of this. And I had this, we were walking [00:52:00] along the Cliffs of Moher, and, I had this whole major spiritual experience that had to do with the mountain goats on the side of the mountain, and how they were- Love it

you know, just, like, fear- I w- here I was on a path that was maybe a foot and a half wide, terrified that I was gonna fall and, clutching to the edge, and meanwhile, there are these goats that are jumping and playing and they're barely standing on anything on this sheer cliff, you know.

And they have all the faith in the world that they're gonna be fine, and they're gonna be held up. And I had this whole big spiritual experience there. And after that, I just kept thinking, "I just want something from the goats. I want, like, a piece of goat hair or something that I can... to help me how- kind of hold onto that energy."

And I had been looking and looking and looking of just like what could I have of the mountain goats? Like, what sort of thing could I [00:53:00] take with me that would, that would connect me with the energy of that? And I didn't even know, I didn't even know about, all of these energy things at the time, but somehow I knew I needed this.

And we ended up taking this guided tour, walking tour of the Burren. And it was from this guide who I'd actually recognized from a, travel show that we had watched. Like, he had actually was the guide on it. And so he's walking, but it turned out he was horribly misogynistic. he did nothing but put women down, do thing...

It was awful. And it was just the, just the, uh, Keith and I and this guy, and I was like, "Oh my gosh, this guy is just insufferable." I mean, he did nothing but come up with ways of, of, like, trying to insult me. And- 

Ugh ... 

just women in general and talking about how women were so awful. I mean, it was awful.

And the me of now would not have tolerated that. The me of then was just like, "Oh, he's awful. I'm gonna ignore him and try to enjoy this [00:54:00] walk." And we're going along, and he'd done this whole thing with, like, an herb of like, "Oh, you know, this is a native herb," that they use 

And it was like, "Here, put it, chew it up." And so I put it in my mouth and chewed it up, and instantly all of the spit from my mouth completely left. And it was, like, the worst cotton mouth I've ever had. couldn't hardly even swallow. And he starts laughing, and he's like, "And that's how they'd shut the women up."

And I was like, "Oh, my gosh. I cannot believe that you just did this." He's like, "Yeah, it like sucks all the water out of your mouth and whatever." And then we had, like, however long to keep hiking like that. Oh, my. So at this point, I'm like, "Okay, you are, you're... Like, what has happened to you?"

You're a monster. Like, what is wrong with you? Take us back- Like- ... and who's your 

Tava Baird: supervisor? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I just kept thinking, "What has happened to you that has made you this jaded?" but I was determined. I was like, "I'm not gonna let you ruin this for me. I'm just, I'm just gonna walk around." So I'm hanging back and just walking and looking [00:55:00] around and enjoying.

And the next thing you know, he makes some other joke about, like, women and their hair extensions and their hair and whatever, and he was like, "Here, you want a hair extension?" And he picks up, he had seen this big mass of, of the, mountain goat hair, and hands it to me. And he thought he was insulting me and being clever , and he handed it to me, and I was so happy and so excited.

And I was laughing to myself the whole rest of the hike going, "Here, like, what an amazing way that-" 

Yes ... 

to be found to deliver this thing for me. You know, this answer to my prayers came through the hands of this horribly misogynistic- Total jerk ... and just awful man. Yeah. so I, I've remembered that ever since, that it's like even from somebody who is trying to insult you may still end up delivering this [00:56:00] amazing gift and gem of y- of an answer.

Right. the answer to your prayers or, the what am I gonna do. It could still come from anywhere. And so I've just, I've remembered that ever since. Oh, my God, that story. And I was like, I was, I was so happy. I was like, "Ha, you are such a..." I was like, "You thought that you were insulting me, and you just gave me the greatest gift you could possibly have 

Tava Baird: given me."

And I'm holding it. I'm keeping this? Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I did. And I still have it in the, I have it right in the closet right in there. 

Tava Baird: Um- Oh, my God ... 

Jennifer Taylor (2): but, uh, and it was, oh, it was stinky. It smelled so strong. Mountain goat, like, oh, the stench was, it was so strong that I was like, "I don't care. I'm bringing this back." 

Tava Baird: Oh, heck yeah.

Perfect. That's an awesome story.

Jennifer Taylor (2): And I realized one of the thing, I wanted to, uh, follow that up for anybody who's like, "Why did her husband not say something? Why didn't he do something?" I was determined, it was obvious from the beginning that he really wanted to get a rise out of me. Like, he wanted- Right ... to [00:57:00] have that, that whole thing, and I just, I refused to pick up the rope.

It was like, I'm just, I'm not. Yeah. Like, I'm not gonna let this ruin, you know, this hike in this beautiful place. We're just, and you know, Keith would look at me, and I'm like, "It's just..." It was like, it's just not worth it. Like, just- Yeah, yeah ... don't give him... We're just not gonna pick up the rope and let him have any sort of power over us.

It was like, you know what? We're just not giving it the time of day, and just, and just sort of moving on. So I was just, I was like, "No, it's just not worth it." 

Tava Baird: And then he delivered you your goat hair. Mm-hmm. That's an awesome story. That is so cool. Yeah, the things that just get delivered to you, I mean, that's one of the things where every now and then I'll just say, "All right.

I'm looking for X," and some form of it arrives. and it might not be exactly what I thought I wanted, but in the long run it ends up being the, [00:58:00] probably the better option. You know, or being what needed to happen there. So yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, and then putting it out there. Like, that's really important.

it's such a simple... It, there's such a simple shift between I really just knowing I just want this or I want to have help and just that little shift of just kind of saying to the universe either out loud or, to yourself, "I'm asking for help." Yes. And, you know, because we do have free will, and we do have...

And a lot of times, like even Samael, you know, we were talking, we were in a conversation, we were talking about setting up a circle and, having Michael and, and Tava in there with me and all this stuff, and he was like, am I allowed in?" And I'm like, "Of course you are." Like, I just assumed.

I'm like, "Of course you're gonna be in there with us, too." But, you know, they do really respect our boundaries and our free will, and if we're not asking for the help, if we're not saying, "Hey, I'd really like your [00:59:00] input on this. I would really like your help," then they're gonna let us have our experiences and have our lessons and, they're gonna let us do that anyway.

But, you know, there's a difference between specifically saying, "I would really like guidance on this. I would really like your input. I would really like your help. Please help me Just that one statement of, oh, or like you were saying, you know, "I'm, hey, I'm looking for this."

Looking for X. You know, just putting it out there as simple as, "I'd really love just the right thing to be putting on my altar for the, you know- Right ... to represent this element," or whatever it is. There's something about really consciously putting it out there to our- Yes ... guides and to, the universe or however you look at it, in order to allow them then to go, "Okay, I'm, well, I'll, yeah, I'll answer."

And then you just get to gently pay attention to what stands out. 

Tava Baird: Had an experience maybe a month or so [01:00:00] ago. I had a bunch of students, you know, financially times are really tough right now for people. And, so I had people who wanted to take classes and, but their finances are tighter.

And so they had expressed that to me and I said, "Well, this is not a problem. Like, we are a community do you wanna volunteer or something? Like in..." and people really like that. they don't like it so much when I just gift them things. But if they can, you know- help me with topics, or they can help me get organized, or they can volunteer at an event so that there's that equal exchange of energy there.

That's good. They like those trades. and what I was noticing is that, of course, you know. So I could then look at the finances of my business and go, "Oof, not as much is coming in." So I decided to ask for [01:01:00] abundance. Now, if your definition of abundance is I'm gonna win the lottery, and that's your only definition of abundance, you're not really opening it up so that lots of energies can answer you, right?

So I just went abundance, and within a couple of days, not only did a couple of unexpected sort of financial windfalls happen to my business where somebody was like, "I wanna order three hundred dollars worth of things," but I had all these people come forward who were offering me things in other ways.

Do you want help with something? Do you want emotional support? Do you wanna hang out so you're not so stressed? So that I was able to sort of shift my focus in terms of what I was doing so that I was getting more companionship, more wonderful opportunities to eat unusual things, more chances to [01:02:00] sleep, better exercise.

These were all forms of abundance, not just finances. But what I found is that in taking those other opportunities, it allowed me to shift how I was living enough that I had extra energy to devote to promoting my business or reaching out for new contacts and that sort of thing. So make sure when you ask, you don't necessarily limit yourself to one definition.

"Oh, I would really like a red car delivered to me." That's, that's too tight for the universe. That's too tight for the unseen, right? Just put out there, "I need assistance. I need companionship. I need..." And, and also vocalize, "And I'm willing to trade some of my energy for this. I'm willing..." You know, if you, if you want companionship, but then you stay in your house with the doors locked, it's really hard for [01:03:00] those things to reach you.

You need to say, "I'm willing to open my door. I'm willing to reach out. I'm willing to accept what comes." And some really incredible things often come through. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And it's opening to, like, I like the word a lot of times allowing. Like I'm, or I'm opening to and would love to allow the flow of, you know, abundance or allow the flow of compassion or, whatever it is to us.

Because a lot of times if we're stuck in the idea of the energy of need, then that creates the thought of the lack that I don't have it. Yeah. But if we think of it as I'm opening to allowing this to flow to me because it's naturally trying to get there, but maybe I've sort of put up a little bit of a barrier, um, like that umbrella kind of thing here.

It's like there are blessings always raining down on us. We just need to put our [01:04:00] umbrella down. You know, it's like just put away the umbrella kind of thing. If we think of it that way, that can also help. And I think that really helps with, um, the guides kind of thing too. When we look at both ways, whatever we want to receive, if we think of it as there is just, it's not a matter of is there somebody who's willing to talk to me, but there are so many guides and there's so much help that's there that's already trying to help you that if you just, you know, put down the umbrella and allow those messages and the guidance and the support and the blessings and the abundance to just rain down on you, it's a lot easier.

So you can really, if you've been striving and like, I'm just trying so hard to hear my guides, I'm trying to find who might be talking to me, or I'm trying to do these things. Literally imagine yourself just taking your umbrella and putting it down. You're just closing it up and setting it down and going, [01:05:00] "I'm just gonna sit in the abundant, downpour of all of this that's coming, and then see what happens."

Tava Baird: Yeah. And I have, I love to do a little exercise. I love me a good thrift store or a good swap meet, right? You know, something where there's lots of stuff kind of all jumbled in a place. And there's a particular one that a friend told me about that's, maybe 45 minutes from here, and the place is packed to the rafters with random s- just random stuff.

And, tons and tons and tons of these individual little vendors who have you know, a five foot by five foot space that is loaded with everything from antiques to thrift store stuff, right? And there are a lot of times there are dolls in there, but a lot of times they're not able to be seen. And I love to go into a [01:06:00] place like that, which is just chock-full of residual energy, and just take a moment, and you can do this in any thrift store near you or wherever where there's a lot of stuff around, and just take a deep breath and say, "Which direction do I feel called to walk in?"

And I find the weirdest, most crazy stuff, or sometimes I just get there and I'm like, "I don't know why I'm so fascinated with this, but it's $2, and I'm gonna get it and take it home and see what happens." It's a great little experiment. yesterday, I was actually in this place with my husband, and, when I first walked in, I didn't see...

'Cause you know me, I love a good doll. I didn't see any dolls anywhere, and I was like, "All right." So I just start walking around the place, and I'm just trying to pick up on which energies are kind of pulling me in one direction or another. [01:07:00] And then all of a sudden, my husband, who never points out dolls to me, goes, "Hey, come here."

And I walked over in this one direction. It was well above my line of sight. There was a doll up there in a box, and he took her down and showed her to me. And I was like, "That's not the one, but there's something going on here." So I stood there for a minute, kind of holding the box and looking in the doll's eyes, and then I had this really strong inclination to go into the next room.

So I hand it back to him and I say, "This one's lovely, honey. Thank you for pointing it out to me. But I feel like I need to walk a little bit further." And he went, "Okay." And he puts the doll back up and walks on. But I had been in that room and hadn't even seen that one. But he-- so somebody who wasn't gonna usually point this out to me did And then I walk into the next room, and I look down by my feet, and I see a little pair of [01:08:00] legs sticking out from this bottom shelf.

And I bent down, and it wasn't one. There were like 14 different dolls crammed behind this pile of other stuff on this bottom shelf. And I started taking them out one at a time and going, "You're lovely, but that's not who I'm here for. You're lovely, but that's not who I'm here for." And I run into this doll, and her head and arms are on backwards.

Like, yeah, I have her in the other room. Her legs, like literally she's looking at her own butt. Like, I don't know what happened in the factory. Somebody was drunk that day. But this doll's feet are in one direction. Her head is on completely backwards, and the arms are clearly also facing the wrong direction from [01:09:00] where they're stuffed, right?

Like, there's just, everything is wrong. And I, I sat there going, "Well, does she swivel?" Like, I don't get it. But she, w- arms and legs, the porcelain was sewn in that way. There was no range of motion. And I thought there was just this energy coming off the doll of like, "Help, help, help, help, help, help, help." And my husband walks back up and goes, "Oh my God, what happened?"

And I said, "I don't know, but have you ever seen anything that looks so uncomfortable in your life?" And he was like, "No, no, no, she needs to... I'm not gonna be able to stop thinking about her if we leave her here." Which is a weird thing for my husband to say. I, I think she was $6. So I took her up to the front and bought her.

And yeah, I ended up taking two others with me as well. But I held her the whole way home, and there was just this energy [01:10:00] radiating off of her. Do I know exactly what it is? No. But I'm gonna investigate it, and I bet I'm gonna learn something. But in that case, I was simply allowing myself to be led around, and then I watched unusual behavior in other people in my vicinity, ended up where I believe I was supposed to have ended up.

And when I picked up this little doll and I'm like, "What the heck is going on here?" I believe that there's going to be a lesson because I'm gonna have to take her apart and put her back together again, right? And so I think that in doing that, I'm going to be learning something. We often spend lots of our lives taking ourselves apart and putting ourselves back together again.

And there, while these journeys are hard, there's a lot to [01:11:00] be learned each and every time we do it. So I'm wondering if there's a little part of my journey that will be reflected in hers. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Very interesting. Wow, that's fascinating. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I love-- I think those are such great, like, little intuitive games to play with ourselves to just go- Mm-hmm

okay, yeah, which, which direction? Which way am I gonna go here? Which way do I go here? And just let yourself be led around a space. I love, I used to sell crystals and do these crystal things, and I loved laying out, um, bowls of all these different types of crystals and then having a little card tucked under them face down so that people could go up.

And you can do this, most metaphysical stores you can do this, don't think about the types of stones or anything that you know. Try to, drop anything that you know about them and what they're good for and just stand there for a moment and just say, ask to be guided [01:12:00] to the stone that is most in alignment with, you know, what you're, you're needing balance in right now.

Or, you know, just sort of ask whatever it is, you know, what will help me the most with something? Or, um, what is the crystal that's just best for me right now? And just kind of glance over things and see, allow yourself to just be guided to a certain stone. You can also take your hand, your non-dominant hand ideally, and just sort of run it over top of the stones and just kind of feel around and intend that you're going to feel a difference when you get to the one that's just right for you in that moment.

And then if they have some sort of little card or something that says the properties of that stone, look and see what it is, because nine times out of 10, you're gonna turn that over and go, "Oh my gosh, I cannot believe this is [01:13:00] exactly what I need right now. Like this has the qualities that are exactly what I'm needing."

And it's such a great way to validate your intuition and just play little games with yourself like that. And then when you do and you get that hit, really highlight it and just keep using that as the proof that you are being guided. you have intuition, you're being given answers, um Um, yeah, and I, I love what, how you had also pointed out the, the imagine, like let yourself pretend, because it is so important to just go ahead.

Because I think the reason that I'd said that of like pretend is it is the easiest way to get rid of the fear of pretending. 

Tava Baird: Yes. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yes. And, our creativity, our intuition, our inspirations, the same things that would go into creating the pretending are the same places that we receive these kinds of [01:14:00] information.

Yes. You know, we're drawing from the same pool of divine energy and inspiration when we pretend, you know? Yeah. And so if we go ahead and just say, "Okay, so I'm gonna pretend," and that's coming from the same place anyway, it does, it instantly just removes that barrier of what if I'm making it up?

It's like, well, if I'm making it up, I was, that was, could be inspired. Right. that inspiration maybe came from exactly the same place. 

Tava Baird: There's this stigma on the idea of pretend, and we often call things pretend when we're uncomfortable with them. So I'll give you a good example. Um, when we see little children talking to their bears and dolls as though their stuffed animals and their dolls are alive, we say, "Oh, those children are just pretending."

Right? But Samael has pointed out to us that when we give a doll [01:15:00] a lot of attention and affection, it is the perfect place for an ancestor. It's the perfect thing for them to use as a vessel. They can slip in, they can talk to the child or to their descendant. They can offer the child comfort and the feeling of warmth and safety.

Look at the tremendous benefit That holding dolls or stuffed animals gives to people. During COVID, there was a huge rise in, in, in doctors basically prescribing get yourself a stuffed animal adult because you don't have touch like you normally do right now. This is the closest thing, right? There are tons of scientific studies that show that having interactions with...

You know, having something to hold. Like, I'm sitting here holding Matilda, [01:16:00] who's full of my own energy to ground myself right now. There are incredible benefits to that, so much so that we saw medical professionals psychiatrists and things recommending it during COVID. So what other people might call pretend, you might be actually speaking to or holding the energy of one of your guides or ancestors.

Because we disregard it as make-believe, we are often mislabeling something that, in fact, will play out to show us it is not make-believe at all. It is actual-- It's an actual thing that is happening. but you're never gonna know that. Children are much closer to the divine source than we are.

They've just landed here in these bodies, and as we grow up, we start to [01:17:00] disregard the magic around us that they still see. Children are really good at picking up on energetic connections that most of us just wave away. And if you spend a lot of time with children and observe them, you'll see it And so part of this too is, you know, instead of going, "I'm just pretending," instead say, "No, I'm giving myself license to connect with the energy of my childhood self when I was more connected to the divine, when I did not yet have responsibilities and burdens heaped on me, when the world had not yet told me that I was in error and that I didn't have the power that I know I have."

One of the beautiful things about children is that they don't yet know what they cannot do. [01:18:00] And so that is the head space that we're trying to get back into for your energetic work. And once you allow yourself to play, to commune, to set aside things that other people have told you are barriers, you are going to start to see some incredible results, and you are going to say, "Okay, this is now the fifth time I've pulled this card out of my oracle deck in a row.

Mathematically, the odds are not in my favor. I'm seeing something at work here." And that's when you start to see the evidence that makes you say, "I now know for a fact that my entire life and energy has shifted since I started listening and watching, and I now know that I'm more connected to the divine than I was [01:19:00] six months ago."

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, absolutely. And along the lines of the, stuffed animals and things, um, angels can speak through them as well. Oh my gosh, yes. That like, you know, our, one of our, children had a beloved stuffed animal that, they would talk to all the time and tell us the things that they said.

And then we, had a session with an energy worker who was, you know, one of my mentors, and we try not to do, too much of the work ourselves when we need to reach out to someone that's not, you know, a parent to help with certain things. And, um, they were like, "Oh, absolutely." Like, "Yeah, the angels are absolutely talking to her through that."

Yep. Absolutely. Like, you know, it, it absolutely... It's just like, well, that's 'cause I think she said something like, you know, well, that's the same thing that, you know, the stuffed animal had told her. And he was like, "Oh, absolutely," because, you know, the angels, your guides, your ancestors, they're using the most available source.

And, for a [01:20:00] child, it's so easy for them to be like, "Oh yeah, well, you know, the, the stuffed giraffe just told me whatever," and they just go with it. That, yeah, returning to that is, is a really beautiful thing. 

Tava Baird: And if you think about it, if you've, if you have children of your own or you've ever seen, uh, this happen in your family where, God forbid, the child leaves the favored doll or teddy bear in another state when you're on vacation, right?

Notice that, I mean, children have favorite toys, but the reaction to, "I can't find my bear is so heightened compared to, "Well, I can't find my block. I can't find my," um, you know. F- for most of their other toys, you go, "We'll get you another one," and they may be a little sad, and they move on. But there is an almost hysteria that breaks out in many children when that [01:21:00] companion, because it is an energetic companion, is separated from them.

And too many adults go, "Oh yeah, my child absolutely can't sleep without, you know, Barney the Bear. Oh no, once we were on vacation and we left Barney in a hotel and we had to drive back four hours rather than having the hotel mail it because the child would not sleep and was absolutely beside themselves."

And then for some reason or another, they stop thinking about why that would be. They don't go to the question of, "What would make my child so attached to this particular toy versus another?" they just don't allow themselves to go there in their heads because it, it's bothersome. They might not have any background [01:22:00] in energy work or ancestor work.

They might not have a spiritual practice of their own. And so the idea that their child has a connection to something that they can't see is terrifying to people But if you look at it from our perspective, what you're really seeing is a child that's letting in a guide, and that's why they're so bopped.

And that's why... I mean, dolls, long before they were used as toys, were used in ritual. They were holy objects for all of the ti- of, of humanity. And over time, we've slapped a name on them like Barbie or Cabbage Patch Kid and regulated them to childhood, and, they don't need to be. So anyway. Oh my goodness.

Well, boy, this has been 

Jennifer Taylor (2): quite the episode- 

Tava Baird: Ride ... 

Jennifer Taylor (2): two maybe. [01:23:00]

Tava Baird: My gosh, I feel like I don't, I don't even know what to... I, I'm a little bit... Now I have Matilda. I've had a bunch of tea. I'm like, "You're gonna sing," and I'm gonna like, "Please be gentle, Samael." Yeah, I 

Jennifer Taylor (2): was thinking, we're gonna go maybe Gabriel will be a good one for this one.

That 

Tava Baird: would be great. Childhood. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Gabriel. 

Tava Baird: Yeah, so let's 

Jennifer Taylor (2): bring in the... He, he, I always think of him when we need, like, kind of warm fuzzies and comfort and, and, uh- Yeah ... to kind of be brought back down to a peaceful place. 

Tava Baird: One of the things that I read also that I kind of skipped over because I was just aiming for the juicy bits as we were looking up Ophan, it listed Ophan's connection with unborn children Interesting.

Jennifer Taylor (2): You know, I think I saw that too So I knew... 

Tava Baird: Did you see that? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. 'Cause I went 

Tava Baird: through 

Jennifer Taylor (2): like four- I'm remembering that was like a category I think even of- 

Tava Baird: Yeah ... uh, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): like listed [01:24:00] on, in like the little AI part. 

Tava Baird: Isn't that interesting? I was on Wikipedia, and then I looked up like two or three other, their two or three other like angel things.

And I'm, you know, I'm taking them all with a grain of salt 'cause it's Wikipedia and stuff like that. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, which I guess if you're thinking about if there's the gate and then creating the path- The 

Tava Baird: path

Jennifer Taylor (2): if, um, Ophann is helping to create the path in to- Through gates ... it could be a through gate, for the path in for embodiment, maybe that has something to do with like maybe even holding them as they're waiting , to then step into their bodies. 

Tava Baird: Whoa, this is a whole another avenue.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And- Which makes me wonder too, I mean, when you think about the three of that, you know, Metatron creating the gate, Ophann creating the pathways- Lays the path ... and [01:25:00] Michael, cutting the bonds and sort of deciding that, you know, the discernment of, you know, who and what should go where.

It makes me wonder if the three of them aren't a part of conception and, coming into our embodiment. 

Tava Baird: Who was, was it Gabriel that was the angel that told Mary Jesus was coming? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Is it- Yeah, I think so ... 

Tava Baird: it's Gabriel I'm wondering if we went... S- Samael, I am not wanting to know this right now because I just got my eye, my left arm, and my head back on straight.

But I wonder if you continued down that path of Metatron, Ophon, Michael, if Gabriel maybe comes shortly after that. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I, I 

Tava Baird: would not 

Jennifer Taylor (2): doubt that at all. 

Tava Baird: Because of- He was there- ... Gabriel's connection with children ... 

Jennifer Taylor (2): and he was there too. Like, when we [01:26:00] talk about Michael cutting the bond, and I think it was, like, Gabriel blew his horn and opened the gates or something, like, when...

at the fall. Oh. There was something where Gabriel had a... I think it was blowing his horn- There was a horn ... and, Michael opened the space and cut the bond, but there was something with the horn I would not doubt one bit that the next step has to do with Gabriel and his horn because I know the horn he said was given to him by Metatron.

Tava Baird: Mm-hmm. I bet you Gabriel. I... There must be, like, a whole ch-ch-ch-ch because Samael always does say there's always, like, a hierarchy and a structure with- within angelic entities. Oh, this is really interesting. Yeah, there's like a social 

Jennifer Taylor (2): structure or something. 

Tava Baird: Yeah, there's, like, a whole structure. He, he did say it's very structured.

Oh, man. Okay. Dare we sing? Gabriel, something grounding. Something grounding. All right. I may [01:27:00] never be the same after this podcast. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, my goodness. You know, it makes sense, the whole left-hand... Just, like, remember the, that bracelet, that energetic bracelet, that when you put it on your left, it felt like shooting pain and, and burning and stuff, but when you put it on your right it's, like, your left side got too much of that really high vibration, like- Yeah

right, you know, right, uh, hand path kind of energy. Wow, that's so fascinating to me. 

Tava Baird: Ah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): And I'm so sorry that you had to experience that. 

Tava Baird: No, it- it's fi- I, I was just unexpected because I hadn't had a dissociative of that level that felt like that in months and months and months and months. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah.

Tava Baird: So. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): All right. So, you do well with, Michael and Gabriel songs, so we're just gonna know you're gonna be just fine for this. And we'll save Ophon for a specific specific year. 

Tava Baird: Woo! [01:28:00] Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Okay, so I am going to see what Gabriel and Michael have to bring through for us. And of course, actually, Samael, you're also, you definitely have an energy that helps to align well with Tava, so you are also very welcome to come in and join with us as well.

[01:29:00] [01:30:00] [01:31:00] [01:32:00] [01:33:00] We do ... 

Tava Baird: thank you for that. Good. That, those lovely low tones. I feel like I could sleep for days. Um, and I have, along with that peaceful song, some peaceful words from Samael The movement of knowledge cuts its own road, and in the movement of knowledge, much is disturbed. Decisions made, energies arranged, alignments chosen and discarded.

To balance activity such as this, there must be times of rest. Revelation must be followed with pause. Time given once the earth has been shifted under the shovel for new plantings to root and bloom. Time for the rains to fall [01:34:00] and the cycles of the sun and moon to pass. A road and knowledge never comes from nothing.

Retreat for a time and honor what was once here and what possibilities may now be. Balance, friends, balance. Rest is not a cessation of your work. It is part of it.

I needed that part about rest is not a cessation of your work. 'Cause I often think if I'm resting, that means I'm not doing the work. But if we're not- 

I really like that. 

Yeah. It reminds me of, um, this'll be the last thing before we go, I was reading some entertainment website like a couple years ago, and I think it was right at the peak of Outlander frenzy.

[01:35:00] And, they had an interview with Sam Heughan, who plays Jamie Fraser, who is quite the weightlifter and athletic person, and has a trainer that he works with for the show, right? A lot of, a lot of actors do that. I think maybe it was him and his trainer talking together in the interview.

And the trainer was talking about how, um, the hardest part of working with his client was not getting him to do the work, it was getting him to rest, that the body couldn't sustain working out seven days a week, and that the resting periods are absolutely essential to making sure that you get the result that you want, and how hard it is for him with all of his different celebrity clients to get them to take a day off because they feel like, that they're not working, then they're not doing all [01:36:00] that they could do.

And he said, "You absolutely have to do it because there have to be time for the muscles to heal and knit together before you rip them apart again." And that just reminded me of that, that that rest period, so important if you wanna get where you're going. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, and you know, when we think about it in terms of integration, you know, that that's the time when we integrate.

I love that same analogy of like with the muscles, you know, when we're, we're expanding and we're expanding and we're expanding and, you know, with all the working out, you're tearing apart those muscle fibers so that they can be put back together in a new way. But if you don't stop and rest, you know, that's when they knit back together.

That's when they rebuild. It's the same energetically for us, when we rest, is when we integrate, when we can weave the things back together in a new way, and without it, we're just constantly being torn [01:37:00] open we're just be- getting blown open more and more without the time to, weave everything together in a new way.

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): That's beautiful. 

Tava Baird: Yep. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. It has been a wild ride. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Absolutely. And so- Thank you ... we hope you enjoy your rest and have ways where you can both open and listen and receive and balance that with the necessary work of rest. 

Tava Baird: And thank you for having attended my nervous breakdown.

We'll see you soon.